Snaphaan wrote:
What I am is more of a fascinated researcher. So I will not pretend I have any real deep first-hand knowledge on this subject.
And magic can only be experienced.
I am only interested in historical treatisies and facts - if possible.
No that's not possible with any facts. Magic is first hand experience. That's like reading books about a place and a culture no one has ever visited and a author tell the reader despite that, he knows everything about that place and its culture.
Most books seem to deal with the symbols and philosophies instead of reality.
Which reality? Who's reality? There's no such thing as
reality. Your reality is not mine and mine is not yours. Reality is only perception. What was seen as
reality in a culture is not the same reality today and it will be another reality tomorrow. The magical realiy
is described in those books. It's there in front of your nose and you miss it!
If Agrippa was thrown into our world today he would drop his wand and start studying physics. Don't you think?
Nope
Engineers and physicists seem to be the real masters of nature.
Studying nature and its mechanisms is not the same thing as
knowing the nature. Abusing nature is not being its master. Rather its despot. Anytime and anywhere the mother earth godess can open her womb and swallow everything. No one can master the nature. That's only illusion believing that.
David copperfield used a number of engineers and all sorts of scientists to bring most of his ideas to reality.
Again there's no such thing as
reality.
But what if social insitutions used these same principles to fool thousands, and even millions of people?
That happens everyday. Read a newspaper or watch television.
If I considder magick as a world of make-believe then the only way to explain certain phenomena in the world, past and present, is that it's all based on science, or rudimentary science.
Nope. And there's no such thing as a only one way to explain something. How people explain things is based on their beliefe system and allmost all stay there without ever stepping outside their circles of beliefe.
Which leaves me to the conclusion that the old Egyptians were superstitious scientists that even used some of there mundane enginering and chemical feats to impress the people with some kind of illusion of life and matter.
No. A very clayman conclusion. You have never even studied Egyptian mythology, have you? You will not find any such conclusion in a academic book of Egyptian mythology.
Whatever anyone thinks of catholics, they are as deeply involved in the esoteric and mysteries as is many occult groups.
Yeah right. Go to a local catholic church and thell them that. You have not a clue of what is going on in any magical group if you have never been in any.
Since many of the old magicians and alchemists were in fact the forerunners of science, is it not a valid to imply that magick is a deceiving form of science.
LOL Are you trying to be the next Richard Dawkins?
I have found no substanial evidence for real magick today
No because you want to find a scientific evidence through books. That's not possible. Magic can only be experienced with personal evidence. All else will lead to assumptions and guessings of how and what magic is. There are many schamans who have not given antropologists the whole truth or missled them without them ever knowing that.
What I am hoping from anyone here is a guide toward any researcher who has coverded this field substantially. Or maybe a guideline as to authors who are respected practitioners of their craft.
Read above.