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Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Liberator » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Should it be replaced with a term like "polytheism"(If you worship multiple deities), "Follower of (Deity Name)" or "Other" if asked? Since from what I've heard it was originally invented as a derogatory term to refer to other religions as "outsider" kind of religions? In ancient times before Vatican rule and etc they did not call themselves "pagan" and just referred to their personal spirituality that they have discovered by the name of its deity. For example "Cult of Apollo", "Worshipper of Jupiter" and things like that. Hinduism would be considered "pagan" if it wasn't from ancient times and it is polytheistic. This could also symbolically mark the liberation of the worshippers of the other deities outside of the mainstream ones. Good for esteems?
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby RoseRed » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:29 pm

It's how the church insulted the 'country dwellers' that lived outside of the cities that they controlled.

I claim many derogatory words for my own, like witch, bitch and pagan.
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Haelos » Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:01 pm

I thought that was "warlock".
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby RoseRed » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:01 pm

That's a craft practicing male oathbreaker.

You should see some male witches freak out if you call them a warlock.
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby the_spiral » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:29 am

RoseRed wrote:That's a craft practicing male oathbreaker.

You should see some male witches freak out if you call them a warlock.


Hmm. And I know a few who wear the name proudly.
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby EEHC » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:50 am

Polytheism, Monotheism, Pantheism ect. are theological definitions. It only describes a position on God(s).There isn't a better term in common language than (Neo-)Paganism to refer to people trained in spiritual traditions outside of mainstream religions. ''I am a Pagan'' makes it easier for the masses than attempting to get into specifics (e.g Wiccan, Druidry, Stregheria, Kemetism, eclectism ect ect.)
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Desecrated » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:43 am

Once again, wikipedia summons it up nicely.

"Paganism is a term that developed among the Christian community of southern Europe during late antiquity to describe religions other than their own, Judaism, or Islam, the three Abrahamic religions. Throughout Christendom it continued to be used, typically in a derogatory sense. In the nineteenth century it was re-adopted as a self-descriptor by members of various artistic groups inspired by the ancient world. In the twentieth century it came to be applied as a self-description by practitioners of contemporary pagan, or neo-pagan religious movements.

There has been much scholarly argument as to the origin of the term paganism[1][citation needed]. Paganism has also been understood by some[who?] to include any non-Abrahamic religions, but this is generally[who?] seen as insulting by adherents of those religions. While paganism is often considered to exclude monotheism, and to express a worldview that is pantheistic, polytheistic, or animistic, there are some monotheistic pagans.[2] Once monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam started to become more prominent (in processes known as Christianization and Islamization), names to encompass polytheistic worshipers started to develop; some of these include Hellene, pagan, and heathen, and at times these names were used as slurs."
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Liberator » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:08 am

Desecrated wrote:Once again, wikipedia summons it up nicely.

"Paganism is a term that developed among the Christian community of southern Europe during late antiquity to describe religions other than their own, Judaism, or Islam, the three Abrahamic religions. Throughout Christendom it continued to be used, typically in a derogatory sense. In the nineteenth century it was re-adopted as a self-descriptor by members of various artistic groups inspired by the ancient world. In the twentieth century it came to be applied as a self-description by practitioners of contemporary pagan, or neo-pagan religious movements.

There has been much scholarly argument as to the origin of the term paganism[1][citation needed]. Paganism has also been understood by some[who?] to include any non-Abrahamic religions, but this is generally[who?] seen as insulting by adherents of those religions. While paganism is often considered to exclude monotheism, and to express a worldview that is pantheistic, polytheistic, or animistic, there are some monotheistic pagans.[2] Once monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam started to become more prominent (in processes known as Christianization and Islamization), names to encompass polytheistic worshipers started to develop; some of these include Hellene, pagan, and heathen, and at times these names were used as slurs."
Hmm howcome this didn't happen to the other ancient religions like Taoism or Hinduism?
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby RoseRed » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:52 pm

Spiral, me too, but they're not the majority. Different circles, perhaps?
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Desecrated » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:09 pm

Liberator wrote:
Hmm howcome this didn't happen to the other ancient religions like Taoism or Hinduism?[/quote]

I don't fully understand the question, can you make it easier to understand?
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Re: Wasn't "pagan" a derogatory term originally?

Postby Liberator » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:06 am

Desecrated wrote:
Liberator wrote:
Hmm howcome this didn't happen to the other ancient religions like Taoism or Hinduism?


I don't fully understand the question, can you make it easier to understand?[/quote]They do not get called or labelled "pagan" despite being ancient and polytheistic.
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