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The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:07 pm

The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Cerber » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:45 pm

inMalkuth wrote:The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.

I thought it's inequality and few other things, like war etc
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby violetstar » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:53 pm

inMalkuth wrote:The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.

What has this mundane question to do with a Modern Magic thread on an Occult forum?
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:22 pm

violetstar wrote:
inMalkuth wrote:The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.

What has this mundane question to do with a Modern Magic thread on an Occult forum?


Its simple really. The study of all of this is the study of nature, man, and God. A simple examination of what local Gods there are will reveal why this statement holds true. A simple examination of how mankind manages to succeed will reveal it also. If the reason you practice magick is to gain wealth, power or immortality... at all costs; then maybe this idea will elude you. Personally, I am not that way.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Spida » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:52 pm

inMalkuth wrote:
violetstar wrote:
inMalkuth wrote:The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.

What has this mundane question to do with a Modern Magic thread on an Occult forum?


Its simple really. The study of all of this is the study of nature, man, and God. A simple examination of what local Gods there are will reveal why this statement holds true. A simple examination of how mankind manages to succeed will reveal it also. If the reason you practice magick is to gain wealth, power or immortality... at all costs; then maybe this idea will elude you. Personally, I am not that way.


VS is right. This thread title, as the above text is more akin to something along the lines of "God and the problem of suffering". This is of a Philosophical nature, and would be better suited in the "Reason and unreason" category.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:17 am

I suppose it depends on what system of magick you study. In my view, there is only one system of magick, and it is obvious from reading about it that community is an important part of any magickal endeavor.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:39 am

No. And No.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Cerber » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:01 am

inMalkuth wrote:I suppose it depends on what system of magick you study. In my view, there is only one system of magick, and it is obvious from reading about it that community is an important part of any magickal endeavor.

It doesn't make sense. "Depends on the system.." .. "there is only one system.." ?!?
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Stukov » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:51 am

Moved to Off Topic, please don't just spam 1 line statements in random forums. Keep the topic you make pertinent to the section. I'm going to let this thread stay up, but in the future if you make a single line post, that is just a random statement, no question or attempt to provide more information/context, I'm going to straight up delete it.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:31 am

I apologize. In my view this is the ultimate statement of understanding that is the goal of spiritual magick. I thought it too important to not say, and so I simple put it in one phrase. A lot of my posts have been consideration of this idea, and if I could turn it all into one thread, this would be the summation to this point.

I could break it down this way:

Birth>senses>self>awareness>sight>recognition>me>you>we=all

Self>Satan>Chaos>demons>emergence>order>Law=community
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby chowderpope » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:05 am

inMalkuth wrote:The biggest cause of suffering in the world today is the lack of respect for community.


seems like youre just full on trolling now
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Stukov » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:00 pm

inMalkuth wrote:I apologize. In my view this is the ultimate statement of understanding that is the goal of spiritual magick. I thought it too important to not say, and so I simple put it in one phrase. A lot of my posts have been consideration of this idea, and if I could turn it all into one thread, this would be the summation to this point.

I could break it down this way:

Birth>senses>self>awareness>sight>recognition>me>you>we=all

Self>Satan>Chaos>demons>emergence>order>Law=community


Then next time say all that, a single sentence without any context or question doesn't help this community.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Mr. Fenrir » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:21 pm

I think the biggest cause of suffering today is idiocy and not thinking ahead.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:02 pm

or maybe that people are unwilling to do any of the thinking themselves.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby inMalkuth » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:54 pm

Another cause of suffering is the chaotic way that we individually manifest ourselves in light of our own personal Gods.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby DWilke » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:52 am

So to your point on suffering and it being a result of lack of respect for the community. I feel you are getting somewhere extremely personal for me. Lately there have been studies done on specifically war veterans with mental trauma (but its not a far stretch to apply the findings to others) and how well they do or don't do once they separate and come back to civilian life. One of the biggest things found out about those who did not do well was a lack of community. Now on a personal note when I came back I was living with undiagnosed PTSD, I had no community and as such turned to drugs to attempt to escape, this period of my life was horrible and I suffered much. When people loose respect for the idea of community it allows people like myself and others to simply put flounder and fail. When we don't respect even the idea of community we don't care about the other people living in said community. I firmly believe this idea is why we (in the USA anyway) see an increase in mental illness, substance abuse, and yes even acts of violence.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Stukov » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:42 pm

DWilke wrote:So to your point on suffering and it being a result of lack of respect for the community. I feel you are getting somewhere extremely personal for me. Lately there have been studies done on specifically war veterans with mental trauma (but its not a far stretch to apply the findings to others) and how well they do or don't do once they separate and come back to civilian life. One of the biggest things found out about those who did not do well was a lack of community. Now on a personal note when I came back I was living with undiagnosed PTSD, I had no community and as such turned to drugs to attempt to escape, this period of my life was horrible and I suffered much. When people loose respect for the idea of community it allows people like myself and others to simply put flounder and fail. When we don't respect even the idea of community we don't care about the other people living in said community. I firmly believe this idea is why we (in the USA anyway) see an increase in mental illness, substance abuse, and yes even acts of violence.



They were someone who made posts like this because they were trolling and antagonizing the community. They were eventually banned.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby DWilke » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:34 am

Well forgive me for feeding the troll. I felt at least the initial claim held some water and felt I had experience that could contribute.
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby bathtub-alchemist » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:42 am

I'm pretty sure this is a buddhist philosophy, but I always agreed that desire and attachment were the biggest causes of suffering
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Re: The biggest cause of suffering today

Postby Cerber » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:57 pm

Stukov wrote:They were someone who made posts like this because they were trolling and antagonizing the community. They were eventually banned.

Where is it now? That community you are talking about, the one you were so fiercely protecting from the horrors of ignorance?
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