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O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Camniel » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:09 pm

Hello,

I am doing research into possible and confirmed connections between the United States' Alt-Right movement and specific Left Hand Path cults, namely the O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, Tempel ov Blood, & other offshoots. I already have some links connecting these orders to some prominent leaders of the Alt-Right but I feel like I'm still missing a lot of information. There are a lot of groups involved in the Alt-Right right now and I'm not sure yet how all of them are connected.

Specifically I'm looking for connections that would indicate if groups like the Werewolves 88, USA National Socialist Movement, Kekistan, & the Traditionalist Workers Party are either founded by or led by associates of the LHP cults I already named. The connections could be direct, like acknowledged association, or they could be indirect, like having leaders mentored by founders/leaders of the occult.

I'm writing a series of articles on the subject and would appreciate any suggestions or insight the community could provide. If anyone doesn't feel comfortable commenting information to this thread they can feel free to message me through the website.

Thank you in advance!
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby chowderpope » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:40 pm

I'm not convinced that the alt-right are capable of really keeping secrets like that, but I'd be interested in reading your work about it. I'd be honestly surprised if many of them are involved in any serious occultism.
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Desecrated » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:20 am

Camniel wrote:Hello,

namely the O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, Tempel ov Blood, & other offshoots.


The problem with these groups are that they aren't really "groups". Most of the time it's 2-3 or possibly 5-10 guys sitting on some internet forum in a giant circle jerk feeling really good about themselves because they've managed to read 1 book about nitschze and now they are convinced that they are somehow above the average people on the streets.

But very often there is just 1 person behind these "groups". They try to act big and tell everybody that they have chapters all over the world, but really it's just a platform for their own writings or music.
They don't have any money, they don't have any power or influence and worst of all: I find them to be incredible fucking boring.
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Liberator » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:37 am

chowderpope wrote:I'm not convinced that the alt-right are capable of really keeping secrets like that, but I'd be interested in reading your work about it. I'd be honestly surprised if many of them are involved in any serious occultism.
The alt-rightists who do so believe that they are being assisted by the Egyptian deity of primordial darkness and 'chaos', as well as that 'Pepe' is an aspect of them coming to help. Yep they mean it when they say that and I checked.
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:09 am

I shall share something I know...

I have stated I know an ancient code , used by many , throughout time...

I have stated half is from the pre - Ezra flame letters , half from the non - Odinic runes ,
going back far enough , and further still...

Some wish to argue the validity , of what I say...I am not here to argue...

Yet I will share this with you...

Qabalah , no matter what others , or academia says , is the true spelling
of the tradition , associated with the pre - Ezra Hebrew , called Obri...

See sheet below...under Sinatic Obri

The comparison tradition , said to be Norse / German runes , was the original before any
modern "futhark" , was adopted by that culture...as the 24 rune system...

Yet there is another part , which brings the sum to 29 , then 33 , as the "Wietches' Runes" ,
then combined bind runes expanding the system...

That system had a name of Kce - Be - Al - La...

Why is that important to your question , Camniel ?

Because the gematria ( letter - number correspondence ) value , is 82...

In Obri / Hebrew , the word Laban / Lavan ( Lamed - Beth - Nun ) has a value of 82...

And means "White"...

There are those who feel this Kcebealla only belongs to whites...

Now :

Qabalah , in Obri / Hebrew , equals 137 ( Q - B - L - H )...

In the Runes :

Gods = 137

In the Runes , Kcebealla = 82

In Obri / Hebrew :

Gods = 81

Yet the rune for ancestral / ancestral memory , equals 1...

Thus :

Ancestral Gods = 82

Now the two together , equal 219...

And in Obri / Hebrew :

Creation = 218

In Runes :

Inception = 1

The two traditions later , were known as "Fire" and "Ice"...

The rune "Is" / "Isa" , means Ice , among other meanings , and in one
of our many arrangements , one is placed above each of each of the two
columns of eight runes you shall see below...

Each has a value of seven , thus sum of fourteen...

Yet we have another arrangement , of a fourteen rune ring...

See Below...

Now , the total number value sum for the two columns of eight runes ,
is 994...

By Gematria :

I Am = 21

Werewolves = 886

88 = 88

= 995

And the bottom two runes in that arrangement , equal 88 combined...

And the bottom two symbols in the column on the right , deal with
the colors Black and Red...

I could show much more , regarding head , neck , noose , horse ,
torch , tree , black mann ( pronunciation of bottom rune on right )
and how the torch rune ( second rune down , column on left ) , letter
value "K" , or "C" , raised up , then down , three times , makes KKK ,
with a value of 540 , and in Obri / Hebrew 541 equals Israel...

But that is a bit much to show you now...yet it is all in that double
eight arrangement (88)...

I could also tell you two of the columns on the left , with sixteen "Is"
runes with them , have a value of 894...

( do note "Is" meaning "Ice" , and the "World Of Ice" , by Horbiger ...google )

And , in our old language from the rune code :

Ay - Yer An

+ Brother + Society ( Obi / Hebrew )

Has a value of 894...

Ay - Yer = 70

An = 600

Brother = 9

"Hood" = 215

So , some do know...

The second rune down , right hand column , is a bind rune...

One looks like a straight line :

"Is" / "Es" , "Si" / "Se" , "Iz" / "Zi"...

The other , looks like an "M" ...

"An" / "Na" , "En" / "Ne" , "On" / "No"...

Thus the same symbol is both Zion , and Nazi...

There is so much more...and this is only one usage of the code ,
in one small spacetime segment , by certain cultures , whose
population , is mainly ignorant of the underlying code running programs...

But those who know of the program , and how to use it...

Individuals , cultures , nations , religions , corporations , magical organizations ,
and brotherhoods...do use it , and have been for further back most could dark dream...

That is the best I can do to help you right now...

And to any who want to argue what I have posted...I refuse to engage you... [thumbup]

Best in your work , Camniel... [wink]
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:11 am

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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:17 am

And links to understand , for those who do not know...

And remember...not all know the underlying reasons for what they do...some do ,
and some who know , cover those real reasons up , with other words , or dogma...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... mbers.html

And those links just show one way they use numbers...

Those who know use the deeper code...
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:30 am

One other thing , for you , Camniel...

World = 504

Shugara = 276

Society / Organization = 215

= 995

Black = 514

Society / Organization = 215

+

Nazi = 47

+

219

( see previous post )

= 995

And the word :

Right = 224

Brother hood = 224

Just so you know...

I can say there are some who don't like me telling you , and others , these things... [razz] ... [thumbup]
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby 777Sloan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:38 am

Camniel wrote:Hello,

I am doing research into possible and confirmed connections between the United States' Alt-Right movement and specific Left Hand Path cults, namely the O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, Tempel ov Blood, & other offshoots. I already have some links connecting these orders to some prominent leaders of the Alt-Right but I feel like I'm still missing a lot of information. There are a lot of groups involved in the Alt-Right right now and I'm not sure yet how all of them are connected.

Specifically I'm looking for connections that would indicate if groups like the Werewolves 88, USA National Socialist Movement, Kekistan, & the Traditionalist Workers Party are either founded by or led by associates of the LHP cults I already named. The connections could be direct, like acknowledged association, or they could be indirect, like having leaders mentored by founders/leaders of the occult.

I'm writing a series of articles on the subject and would appreciate any suggestions or insight the community could provide. If anyone doesn't feel comfortable commenting information to this thread they can feel free to message me through the website.

Thank you in advance!
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby chowderpope » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:48 am

I can totally see alt-right nazis masquerading as black wizards in order to seem more mysterious or to feel more powerful. I get it, though I'm not sure the magic will help when they're outnumbered 1,000 to 1 at their public rallies.

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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Camniel » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:56 am

Hello Sloan,

Wouldn't you say it would be a fun surprise if Liberals on this site and elsewhere did know about the relationship between the Sinister Way and the Alt-Right? You never know what could happen. Who knows, it might even encourage the sinister chaos such groups desire... [wink] With uncertainty comes opportunity.

That said, the Black Sun is rather generic, and not overtly indicative of any particular affiliation. Would you say that the White Supremacist cultists tend to gravitate towards a specific cult or militia over others? Would you be more likely to see affiliates of the Shugara Syndicate involved with Werewolf 88 (considering the symbolism of the SS) as opposed to, for example, Kekistan?

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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Camniel » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:00 am

chowderpope wrote:I can totally see alt-right nazis masquerading as black wizards in order to seem more mysterious or to feel more powerful. I get it, though I'm not sure the magic will help when they're outnumbered 1,000 to 1 at their public rallies.


There will always be some of that on any side. We see it with Liberal Witches claiming to attack Trump as well. But a Dark Wizard doesn't always get power from magic, physical action to further the goals or beliefs of the cults' philosophy is just as valuable - if not more so - than any presumed use of magic (or psychological display).
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Postby Cerber » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:12 am

Many years ago I made one of my American friend laugh, when I told him there are some external groups actively "promoting" civil war in the USA. These days I wonder if that thought still funny for him. Unfortunately I lost contact with him and I can't ask.
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby 777Sloan » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:19 am

Cerber wrote:Many years ago I made one of my American friend laugh, when I told him there are some external groups actively "promoting" civil war in the USA. These days I wonder if that thought still funny for him. Unfortunately I lost contact with him and I can't ask.


Ah yes, the Antifa. Fortunately, a white house petition requesting the Antifa be classified as terrorists has surpassed the 300K+ signature mark.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

A hopeful sign more people are waking up.
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Postby Cerber » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:31 am

777Sloan wrote:Ah yes, the Antifa. Fortunately, a white house petition requesting the Antifa be classified as terrorists has surpassed the 300K+ signature mark.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

A hopeful sign more people are waking up.

I suspect you are seeing only one small piece of a very large puzzle
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Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:50 am

Agreed , Cerber...

If Antifa is classed as terrorists , they damn well better classify ***all*** the
right wing groups as terrorists , first...we did just shut them out of Berkeley
and San Francisco , and shall continue to do so...

They are *not* welcome here , and we let them know... [wink]
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Postby Cerber » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:17 am

I fear it's far too late. Nation's trust in its leaders been hammered, or rather chipped away, piece by piece over the last couple decades nearly to non existence. Trump is just a big fat fruit of their long and hard work playing both left and right, poisoning the tree at its roots.
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Stukov » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:50 am

ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
noun: terrorism

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Antifa is pretty well defined as terrorists by the lay definition. They showed up in Berkley at the beginning of the year when a conservative was going to speak and was hitting old people over the head with bike locks for showing up. They yell, they attack, they admit they are violent but justify by calling anyone they disagree with Nazis, because if you are a Nazi then it is ok to attack you, demonize you, censor you, bully you, mace you, etc.

They are as much against a free and open society as much as white supremacists are against multiculturalism. As an Egalitarian I abhor such nonsense as racial supremacy, because we are all once race, the human race. However, Antifa represents another ludicrousy, which is tribalism, that those within that tribe are "right" and anyone they disagree with is not only "wrong" but evil.

To the OP's question, I don't know how much I put stock in sloan's words, because there is not much occultism in the right (the alt-right isn't a very well defined as some people started calling themselves that, then others started calling white nationalist alt-right as well, or the other way around). The extent that I know of exists as you say with kek/pepe the frog, which started as a measure of internet meme but grew in the wake leading up to election culimating in Trumps victory (the amount of people on T_D/Pol/etc discussing that they "memed TD into the whitehouse" was rather funny considering most didn't think it could actually work).

The details of the occult in places like 4chan/pol and a lesser extent T_D, at first would only extend to some smaller hacker collectives which do practice different variations of the occult we would be familiar with on here. Though from my knowledge it was mostly secondary to their hactivism. Secondly, the interest in the occult only occurred when the stuff from the Clinton/Podesta email leaks started showing up with occult references, then when the whole pizzagate started blowing up on reddit there was a resurgence of people on there (then later voat) that were investigating the connections of what these people in power believed.

This then fed back into pol getting into kek (pepe really got popular after Clinton tried saying it was a white supremacist symbol and their source was some 16 y/o kid in the UK, as it was something widely used by even raunch Clinton supporters like Katy Perry) with the signs of repeating numbers when discussing things such as Pizzagate, Trump, Clinton and so on. The connection between their new love for pepe memes and the fact Kek was an actual Egyptian god who looked like a frog started emboldening the group to believe there was something more going on than just the normal shit.

In the end far as I know there isn't much occultism in the right or "alt-right", one neo nazis only account for like 3-6k people in the entirety of the US most living in distant rural areas of places like Idaho and perhaps a few small pockets in various places in the south. Despite what the media are portraying there isn't a vast network or threat from white supremacists and Antifa claiming to be against them is just a rallying cry a militant young people caught up in tribalism and the fact there are some people funding these groups for political reasons.

Someone mentioned a friend saying someone has been trying to create a civil war in the US, it certainly feels as though someone is trying to replicate what happened in a country like Ukraine. It also reminds me of the story of John Titor, despite it likely being a hoax.

I think several people were discussing the issue of the board being down for several days, I suspect that is because the UK government was affecting traffic in some way (saw some YT videos of protests), however it wasn't down for me in the US.

Also I was very tired after a long day of work so it might sound incoherent.
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Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:14 am

I have to disagree with you , Stukov...

One , I know very well they are using magic , and the old code...

Two , the "census" count , is far from correct...

Do you think they want people to know how many of them there really are ?

The ones counted , are only expendable "foot soldiers" , and front men...

Three , I have personally known of large groups , in Arizona , New Mexico ,
Oregon , and California...

My landlady stumbled into a large underground amphitheater , in Oregon ,
out by the lava tubes and Three Sisters , with banners on the walls...

There was a huge long term battle between the KKK skinheads , and the
anarchists in Eugene when I was there...

I have it on information from a former KKK member who told me Portland
is the attack headquarters of the West Coast , and there is most definitely
reason not to doubt that...I saw much up there , myself...

Further , right in the woods in Northern California , there are most definitely
strongholds , let alone in the cities , quietly operating...

A number of growers of herb , in NorCal , and the Northwest , use profits to
fund the organizations...

So , sorry , but we run in different circles , physically , magically , and informationwise...

I have been around the block , since the 1960's...

I know one when I see one...and I can smell them from further... [wink]
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Postby Stukov » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:30 pm

Well there is a difference between anti-government sovereign citizens and those who are outright white supremacists. There are some sovereign citizens who can be racist, but that's different from those whose main goal is to some neo-nazi ideology of a "white" America, which is what the news is trying to scare people about. So are you differentiating the two? I suppose I also don't count those incarcerated or in some biker gangs as their racism isn't that of political change as much as it is tribalism. What magic are you saying they are using? Most I've seen consider themselves Christians and a god fearing people and are closer to religious fundamentalism than occultism.
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Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:14 pm

See my previous post , about the code...

That code is not just code , or language , it is the root of
an ancient magical tradition...

There is a ceremony , where they hold torches in a huge circle...

( shown years ago on 20 / 20 , or one of those programs , where someone went undercover )

They raised the torches , three times , lowered them toward ground three times...

Second rune down , left column , in double eight arrangement , previous post ,
means "torch" , and is a "c / k " letter value...number value , 20 / 500...

Three of them , KKK , number value , 20 + 20 + 500...540

And , Israel = 541

Now , in the Tradition I am of , if you key ritual and magic to the code , it works ,
because as we hold to be true , the code is the underlying matrix...of universe ,
and consciousness both...

One thing those two columns by number value equal...

Master's Source Code Program , or another , Code Spells...

Those who know the code , use it..."even" to make movies , like Dr. Strange , or
write "comic books"...same two columns , equal Superman...

Or :

Master's Loop : Beyond Time...

But I could show you how they are applied to every world tradition , if we were sitting
together...it would take years I do not have to do so on the internet , and this site...

( that includes Christian tradition , that was pulled from the code )

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Postby chowderpope » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:40 pm

Stukov wrote:Well there is a difference between anti-government sovereign citizens and those who are outright white supremacists. There are some sovereign citizens who can be racist, but that's different from those whose main goal is to some neo-nazi ideology of a "white" America, which is what the news is trying to scare people about. So are you differentiating the two? I suppose I also don't count those incarcerated or in some biker gangs as their racism isn't that of political change as much as it is tribalism. What magic are you saying they are using? Most I've seen consider themselves Christians and a god fearing people and are closer to religious fundamentalism than occultism.


I wouldn't necessarily say the news is trying to scare people, but the recent emboldening of white supremacists in America (so much so that they feel comfortable holding rallies without wearing hoods) is actually a scary thing. I do not blame Antifa for providing a tangible opposition to these groups, and I do not blame the scores of normal citizens who also publicly oppose them (as was demonstrated in Charlottesville, Boston and Berkeley.) These people who believe in white nationalism, throw up hitler salutes, and yell nazi chants, deserve to be called Nazis. It's not a case of calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi, not at all. They are calling it like it is.

The upside of the incredible numbers that rise up against the white supremacist rallies is that these people are publicly shamed. If they are caught in a photo, they are fired from their employer for being a white supremacist. They thought since tRump was elected that they could go out in the streets and display their hatred easily, and gain new recruits that way, but they quickly found they were wrong. Now their figureheads have cried on video, been arrested, been fired, been publicly shamed to the point they had to delete their social media accounts, beg for money from supporters, and leave town. I love it. God Bless America.
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Postby Shawn Blackwolf » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:48 pm

Respectfully said , love you , Chowderpope... [wink]

Well said , young chap !
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Stukov » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:49 pm

Going to have to respectfully disagree with you as well. The narrative that you mention of "the white supremacist coming out because they feel comfortable" is rather disingenuous, people said the same things when Obama was elected. Far as Antifa, I can't get in more details as some of my sources come from work, but there are plenty of open-source news articles that detail their ideology and embracing of violence (and the violence they have committed).

Far as the OP question I did get some more information and found out some of the white supremacist groups (I can't sleep but I'm tired so I may get which ones wrong) such as the Black Sun and Werewolves apparently do follow some form of occult worship that comes down from some Nazi occultism (including blood rituals and other things we would be familiar with on this board). However my source says that overall the question about the "alt-right", right, or most WS groups don't practice any real form of magic or occultism (beyond what I mentioned and was familiar with in terms of hactivists). They also say from what they know they would be surprised if the groups mentioned would total over 5k for the whole US. Also from what I know most WS groups were heavily affected by FBI cointelpro operations that rooted out individuals who wanted to commit or inspire violence (since the 80s). Of the few that are left have either learned to no longer talk about it or plan it, but most seemed to decide to transition away from political change (because 99+% of Americans wouldn't ever support their ideology of WS) into living in small pockets of "white people".

This is where I'm more familiar with, which are sovereign citizen, anti-government type groups, which end up usually congregating in remote places creating their own communities, these individuals are self described christians, may or may not have racists among them but are not themselves white supremacists. They are usually watched by the government, but are sometimes smartly left alone by the gov up until they start committing crimes (such the guy in Idaho that took that abandoned federal building, he apparently did shit violated his contracts and every farmer around him said he was in the wrong and was just trying to use the whole evil government boogey man thing as a way to cover up his own mistakes shenanigans).
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Re: O9A, Black Order, Shugara Syndicate, & the AltRight?

Postby Desecrated » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:45 am

777Sloan wrote:our liberal friends on this site


Camniel wrote:if Liberals on this site


First of all: There is about 9 degrees of right-wing politics before you even get to white supremacy, so don't assume that everybody who isn't a nazi is a liberal.

Second: Not everybody who practice left-hand paths are right wing.

Thirdly: Left hand, right hand, left wing, right wing. It's just two sides of the same coins. And do you know what the problem with coins are? They're chump change.
Do you think anybody who is serious about magic is going to care about mundane politics? Especially mundane politics of a country like USA?

People like E.A Koetting, alt-right and the nazis in Charlottesville are clickbait. They draw a lot of attention but they don't really do anything.
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