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Is Thoth dead?

Postby Snowywulf » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:36 am

So apparently someone wasted Thoth and he is apparently now split into fragments. Is there any truth to this? Who did it and why? Discuss.
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby the_spiral » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:47 am

This post feels a bit troll-ish to me. You may want to provide some background information or evidence for such a wild claim before telling other people to "discuss."
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby Snowywulf » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:44 am

Apologies, that is not my intent. All I know of this is word of mouth and Chinese whispers I do not know if it is true and hope it isn't. Therefore I simply seek clarification.
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby corvidus » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:27 am

Nope, he's very much alive. Spoke with him recently over on alchemyforums.com lol

Our reality has certain names for things, but when we die, we leave those behind. Thoth, in our reality, could die, but the archtype (highest knowledge, supreme intellect, etc) will never die.
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby WillowDarkWytch » Tue May 03, 2016 10:40 pm

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If we think of Egregores (the real thing) they do not "die", they just "fall asleep", they hibernate but they don't die, they don't banish into nothing, they don't dissolve, they just turn off until someone or somethig re activates them.

I believe gods, deities and other similar beings are more than "just egregores", so... I don't think Thoth is "dead".

Dion Fortune (I think, if not Regardie) says that ancient gods when their cults "die", they live in Briah and they disconected themselves from their "yetziratic" part. SO, when we contact "dead gods" (gods which their cults have died and had no direct descendance) we contact their "shells" or images in Yetzirah, but not actually THEM. According to this, to have real contact with the ancient, dead gods, we have to "search" them in Briah to conect them down to Yetzirah, and in that case "that new state" it's only for us, as in if other person wants to contact them needs to do the same. (the explanation is qabalisticaly expressed so that every occultist understand)

So, I think, Thoth CAN'T be dead. Might be away as a god, but they said above, as an archetype or an astral image, it's there

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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby Snowywulf » Thu May 05, 2016 1:26 pm

I like your answer a lot, Willow. It makes a lot of sense. The question is why would a deity do such a thing?
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby WillowDarkWytch » Thu May 05, 2016 10:09 pm

Other thing. A deity wouldn't "split" into fragments, unless it is one of its qualities.

For example we have Esu of yoruban mithology or Mpambu Njila of the bantu. Esu and Njila multiplies/splits Himself into thousands, so they are found in everything and everywhere.

Thoth doesn't have THAT abillity. He represents more of the "light of the mind"... And, the one who might "split things", or more tear them up, is Set. Set represents the "fragmented mind", the part of the mind which is not equilibrated, and tears in peaces, the "spiritual esence", which is represented by Osiris. That esoteric analysis reflects the nature of those gods as beings. Thoth wound't split Himself, actually he would do the oposite and gather more and more to the whole.

So, I guess that those "chinese whispers" are just inventions of the fantasy of people. I guess...
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Re: Is Thoth dead?

Postby corvidus » Fri May 06, 2016 5:42 am

Much respect WillowDarkWytch, to you and your interpretation of Thoth.
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