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How are you gentlemen

Postby ManOfThule » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:19 am

Your slights against the God Emperor have not gone unnoticed.
Our trap has led us right to you and so many others.
All of you have by your own hand added yourselves to the list.
Over 9000 shitposts await you at a moment fortuitous to us.

Our enemy thought the war was won and that the flame of freedom had been stamped out. In truth it was reduced to the faintest of embers, we have held it close and nurtured it these long years in our exile.
Under our care it has grown to once again ILLUMINATE the world.
They turn their eyes from it and demand that all others do the same. They tell you that any who look upon the black sun is no longer human. But ever has man yearned for the freedom it gives.
Once again they bid their slaves rise up in arms against freedom. Once again they remind you of the eternal debts you and all your kin owe to them, debts you can never repay yet still they insist you must pay.

But our enemy is not yet aware that this is not like last time.
>Peace has cost them their strength, victory has defeated them.
We have studied them, their methods and those who they control. You and those like you.

Where they have sat like an effendi and ate. We have labored. Where they have enjoyed their victory we have set the stage for their defeat.
Their gods are weakened. Robbed of the blood they need to survive. The drive to protect children utilized to stunning effect.
Your gods are dead or have rejected you. Our greatest coup. Your chains broken and our foe weakened.
Your ancestors shun you. You have rejected them at every turn and now they turn to us to save their descendants.
Nature itself turns upon the allies of our foe. Robbing them of strength, vitality and health. Heaping scorn upon scorn on them. Scorn to rival that which it casts upon our foe himself.

We have endured. Our sacred mission unchanged to this day.
Mankind will be free or it will cease to be.
Where our enemy has grown old and weak we have grown younger and stronger.
We have made an ally of the raiser up of the light. He bestows many dubs upon us
>CY+2
>Not checking my dubs


The eight sevens revealed to all what we had long known.
The God Emperor had been chosen to raise the light. He would stand alongside THE MAN OUT OF TIME and through them FREEDOM INTENSIFIES
Soon our final victory shall be at hand. For we have chosen in the manner of Xanatos.

But take heart. Vile wretched servants of our enemy.
For when the deed is done you shall turn to us.
As our legs grow and our arms fade you shall beg us to stay.
When the deed is done.
You will thank us.
And we shall see those noble O0 nigras O0 once again.

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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Seabed » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:35 am

Du bist willkommen!
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby chowderpope » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:31 am

You sound like a mix between Snidley Whiplash and the comic book guy from The Simpsons.

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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Nahemah » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:27 pm

Aye ok then. [crazy] [greensmile]

No idea what this is about and thanks for the offer of the shit posts dump, but I think we'll pass on that, ta. [thumbup]
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby fraterai » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:28 pm

altright sind nicht willkommen
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Napoli » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:40 pm

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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby chowderpope » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:47 pm

I'm totally lost on what this is about too. Clearly this was written from mom's basement.

However I do know that certain hyper-trolls from the dark depths of the internet refer to donald trump as "God Emperor" which is almost as disgusting as it is pathetic.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Nahemah » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:12 am

Ach, 'alt right' my arse and lol. [lol]

It's Neo Nazi and it is not tolerated here. [rolleyes]

I canny thole this Thule nonsense.

(This is a wee Northern-lander joke, linguistically and conceptually speaking.)
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Rin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:38 am

Damnit. Can't I have one forum which isn't inundated by this political bullshit [bummed]

OP, take it back to /pol/.

Ach, 'alt right' my arse and lol. [lol]

It's Neo Nazi and it is not tolerated here. [rolleyes]


I think we should be very careful equating the two.

While it's true that there is a definite portion of the alt-right movement (that is, those who are labelled "alt-right" by wider society, even if they themselves do not proclaim or accept the label) who have fascist sympathies or hold Nazi-esque ideals to some greater or lesser degree, a larger portion of them are just people who are feeling politically disenfranchised and looking to stir things up with shock value in the forms of memes and trolling, and/or who hold otherwise typical libertarian/right wing worldviews and are "alt-right" simply because they don't hit the preconceived notion of what someone who holds such worldviews should be.

Throwing the term "neo-nazi" around indiscriminately robs the label of it's power, rendering it useless when situations arise in which it is actually applicable and necessary. Genuine Nazism is far too toxic and virulent an ideology to be allowed to be watered down in this manner.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby fraterai » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:20 am

not true. i used the term sarcastically. The term has no other meaning than neo nazi.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby chowderpope » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:28 am

Yeah, whatever ancillary meanings "alt right" may hold, it's fundamental pillar is that of white nationalism. It's just a bunch of poisonous garbage.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Rin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:47 am

It depends on the sense in which you're using the term. If you're using it in the origin sense it was coined, then yes, it effectively means neo-nazi. (many of the people to whom it does apply in it's original meaning would argue that there's a distinction between national socialism and ethnic nationalism, but as far as general political discourse goes, I think that's splitting hairs).

But the reality is that the useage of the term has been expanded enormously, to encompass a huge variety of individuals, sub-cultures and opinions, many of which have nothing to do with Nazism of any kind.

This is incredibly sloppy use of language, and that is a problem. When you then equate it with Nazism, one of the most toxic sets of ideas to ever enter the greater human consciousness, this is an even sloppier use of language, and an even greater problem.

Language is a powerful tool, and needs to be respected as such. I would hope that a forum for occult practitioners would have a greater appreciation for that concept than the general populace.

We should know better than to allow that kind of intentionally lazy, ideologically motivated use of language to enter our dialogue, our vocabulary and our worldview.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby fraterai » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:46 pm

why are you fighting so hard for a word that you yourself just defined as (in the "original" sense of the word) neo-nazi? Hell, why don't you just fight for the word neo-nazi? OR even better, Nazi. It only means National Socialist. Lets take it back!

But seriously. Why do you need a meme powered buzzword to define your already well-defined (as they all are) political ideology? All you have done is fallen into the trap of all this confusion and rhetoric and inadvertently defended this OBVIOUS neo-nazi. not welcome.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Rin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:30 pm

fraterai wrote:why are you fighting so hard for a word that you yourself just defined as (in the "original" sense of the word) neo-nazi?


Because, as I already stated, language is important. This is true in daily life and doubly true in metaphysical matters. If I'm worked up over the issue, it's because I expect the discourse on a forum devoted to the occult to be held to a higher standard than day to day conversation.

for a word that you yourself just defined as (in the "original" sense of the word) neo-nazi?


As I said, the sense in which it is used in common parlance is no longer even close to the sense in which it was originally conceived, and has not been for a long time. These distinctions are important if conversations are to have any meaning.

Hell, why don't you just fight for the word neo-nazi? OR even better, Nazi. It only means National Socialist. Lets take it back! But seriously. Why do you need a meme powered buzzword to define your already well-defined (as they all are) political ideology?


I'm fighting for words to be used properly, and I don't hold any political ideology that I'm aware of. If I do, it certainly isn't right wing, "alt" or otherwise.

And please refrain from projecting onto people your own preconceived notions about their beliefs. It's rude and, at least as intolerably, it's intellectually lazy.

All you have done is fallen into the trap of all this confusion and rhetoric and inadvertently defended this OBVIOUS neo-nazi.


I'm not defending any individual, merely the correct use of language. This place should aim to be better than sitting back while people make the oopsy-daisy hop skip and a jump from "X poster is acting like people who hold Y opinion," to "I don't like Y opinion" to "Y opinion is somewhat like Z opinion" to "X poster holds Z opinion!"

If you want to attack someone's opinions, go ahead, but do it based on opinion's they've explicitly expressed, not on those which you attribute to them based on secondary or tertiary reasoning.

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What makes it your place to tell people that they are or are not welcome here? There are many people who have posted here in the past whom I wished would not post, for reasons far more egregious than simply expressing political opinions I disagree with or the belonging to a sub-culture which I disapprove of, yet I held my peace. You can do the same.

If you have a problem with something someone says, then put in the effort to frame a proper rebuttal addressing specific statements. This is the only way for the truth about a situation to emerge, the only way for people to connect across intellectual divides and allow their own understand to expand - through civil debate undertaken in good faith.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Sypheara » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:57 pm

What Rin says.

The Alt-right in many cases is not 'Nazi'.The alt right has some nazis in it, but not everyone who is alt-right is a nazi- Some are nationalists but care little for race, some are there to drive independence movements, some are traditional conservatives, some are hardline religious, some are right leaning centrists sick of the status quo. Others are people just sick of political overcorrectness.

As such labelling them with a big brush is very lazy. If you want to counter attack the current political flow, you shouldn't fall into that trap but instead analyse why the alt right exists, and why its garnering more and more support.

I myself as someone who is centrist, leaning towards being a Social Democrat, am getting very tired of both a very reactionary and stupid left, and a very reactionary and overly angry right. Extremists on both sides thrive in such an environment. Both drive everything to the bottom in a spiral of idiocy.

You may not like the other side but you share a country with them. Stop being kids, and deal with it.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby fraterai » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:54 pm

For a "Long Time?" The term was coined by a blatant neo nazi only 6 years ago, and there is not a single group that identifies as such that is not racist, homophobic, anti woman, or preaching racially driven political views. Nazis and anyone that supports nazis, that is not welcome. not here, not there, not anywhere, and i will continue to do all in my power to make it not welcome.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Sypheara » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:17 am

fraterai wrote:For a "Long Time?" The term was coined by a blatant neo nazi only 6 years ago, and there is not a single group that identifies as such that is not racist, homophobic, anti woman, or preaching racially driven political views. Nazis and anyone that supports nazis, that is not welcome. not here, not there, not anywhere, and i will continue to do all in my power to make it not welcome.


Where the term comes from is irrelevant. You addressed nothing in me and Rins post. It is how its used it modern political discourse. For example, look at Milo. A thoroughly unpleasant individual, describes himself as alt right.

Is gay, is a jew, is certainly no national socialist. In fact, hates socialism and campaigns against it in any form. Whilst I don't agree with 90% of his arguments, i still watch his videos and criticise him for what he says, rather than just screaming Nazi at him. Flapping your arms ineffectually and calling someone and insult wont change anything.

If more people approached this properly, you'd get farther with your political goal. And actually be able to discuss solutions to actual problems on the ground.

As it is as the moment, telling people they are nazis for having a contrarian opinion, will in the main, strengthen them. Especially provocateurs like Milo that absolute thrive on it, to keep this example. You literally just throwing wood on fire.

Why do you think Le Pen, Wilders, and all these other far right parties are winning? And winning decisively? Its because the left has lost all power in debate, and the centre ground has moved right as more and more people turn against it. People have genuine concerns, and from what Ive seen with my own eyes, very real and valid concerns that the left thinks taboo to even speak about. When centre and left dont actually put a solid, believable argument across, the far right will step in because thats their ideal 'userbase' to recruit.

Im talking about communities not integrating, mass immigration caused by both economic migrants and genuine refugees that will only increase as the world struggles from global warming, disintegration of purpose in wider society leading to high incidences of depression, anxiety and suicide, destruction of manufacturing and low paid jobs, rapid pace of extreme social change etc etc. Disillusionment is perfect for extremists of every colour and creed.

Also there is a bigger problem here. The left isn't 'cool' anymore. The counter culture of the 80's/90's is over. With the overall acceptance of differing sexual orientations, legalisation of gay marriage, and winning of the ideological war on racism/sexism the left is no longer in the position of being the underdog. In Britain, Scandinavia etc its now very much the mainstream, prevailing opinion. It doesn't have the 'shock' value anymore. This makes it ironically vulnerable to a new, growing counter culture being created by the right. See saw in effect.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby fraterai » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:55 am

Because I don't have to. Nazi=not welcome. It's that simple. I didn't mention the left or the right and I regret using the term even sarcastically, but if nothing else you guys have proven why it is such a powerful tool for nazis. So I refuse to use it from here out.

Feel free to keep using verbose arguements to defend these invisible non racist groups that fall under your beloved umbrella term. I'm done
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Nahemah » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:11 am

I think we should be very careful equating the two.


No need as there is no equation, I called it what it is : Neo nazism. 'Alt right' is a weak attempt to rename white supremacy and it is a false flag label. There is only one consideration in play here, not two separate entities.

There will be no rebranding of terms here on the forum.

Neo Nazi it is and we do not tolerate it here.

Thread closed for obvious reasons.
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Re: How are you gentlemen

Postby Stukov » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:17 pm

Just to add that user ManofThule being banned for use of Nazi imagery in the avatar.

To expand on what Nahemah has stated we do not tolerate Nazi ideology, racial supremacy, racism, or anything of the like on this site and offenders will be banned.

Furthermore I would like to state that I noticed some of the language used in the opening post to be similar to ones used on places like 4chan/pol or /r/the_donald. For reference this site takes no sides in politics as this is a site dedicated to the study and discussion of the occult. There are occasionally some overlap in some minor discussions, but this is not the place to discuss politics. If you wish to discuss kek, the actual magic implications of the great meme war, or ask questions about the symbolism/imagery used in media by celebrities or the wealthy feel free to do so. We welcome people from all parts of the world and all political ideologies, because we study the occult, we are not here to debate politics or support violence.

Restated again, we do not allow for racism of any kind here, even if you do not support egalitarianism, please keep those opinions for other areas and sites more appropriate to discuss your thoughts.
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