Coincidence?

[OneOfFourth]

The effect I mentioned that I called a "boo!", is actually kinda crude. It depends on a normal panic-infiltration channel, of the sort which allows panic to expand through a crowd. If being wanted to have a more profound effect, it could be mixed with pulling away one's internal resistance to it at the same time. Kind of a push-pull cycling of energy, rather than just a blunt bombardment.

I experienced the "boo!" effect two nights ago:

After I had done some Shadow Work to heal some of my mental wounds, I felt much better (and still do; permanent change in my psyche). It was already well past midnight so I went to bed. After lying in the bed for half an hour, I suddenly heard really creepy voice telling me "Hate them!", "They're worthless!" I felt chills going through my body (not the Boo! effect yet). But I still stayed calm. I realized quickly, that after I had healed a festering mental wound using Shadow Work, I could hear a demon's voice which was trying to manipulate me (and had done so for a long time already). I also realized that the mental wound I just healed had acted as a hiding place for that demon. Earlier it could stay hidden there and tell me things which felt to me like my own subconscious thoughts and emotions. Now that the hiding place / mental wound was gone, I could hear it's voice loud and clear exactly as it is and it didn't affect my thoughts/emotions at all. The interesting thing was that every time I turned my attention to the voice (or even the memory of the voice) I got this strong sense of electric sparks going through my whole body. Like very strong static electricity was hitting my body from all sides. That's the exact feeling I get every time I push out a demon that has taken seat inside me.

So I struggled to get it out of me and didn't succeed at first. Then I visited toilet and while coming back through the darkness of the apartment, I suddenly felt the "Boo!" effect. It was the same quickly starting panic effect I felt when I was a child and thought some monster might be running towards me from behind, in a pitch black corridor or dark forest. I decided to not give in to the panic because I knew where this feeling was coming from: a demon. I wasn't sure if it was the same demon whose voice I heard or another demon, but I just decided to tell it to F-off and stopped on my tracks. Kept standing right there, where it was the most scary, even walked backwards into the "potentially approaching monster" and didn't look back. I stood there for half a minute and the feeling started to fade. Then I went back to bed and pushed out the demon which voice I had heard. I can't actually be 100% sure if that demon really went away or not, but at least I don't feel the sparkles anymore when I think of its voice or command it to leave me. Also I haven't had those negative emotions and thoughts anymore which I had before purging the demon out of me so I guess it probably worked.

Lessons learned:
- Mental wounds can work as hiding places for malevolent spirits.
- Influence/voice of the malevolent spirits gets transformed into your own inner dialogue/subconscious thoughts if the spirit "speaks through" the mental wound to you.
- Fix mental wounds and spirits hiding behind/in them don't have a hiding place anymore: you'll notice them automatically when they act.
- Mental wounds act like anchors for malevolent spirits: they keep hold to them if you try to cast them out, making it much harder to get rid of them.
- Shadow Work is really powerful, effective and fast way to heal mental wounds.
- Fix all mental wounds and you become like a greased glass: no malevolent spirit can grab hold of you and take home in you.

BTW: I hope you're OK and well, since you haven't been on this forum for awhile now. Then again I remember you mentioning that you don't visit this forum often.

[OneOfFourth]

Today I was visiting my ill sister (leaving back home tomorrow). I gave her the most loving hug I have ever given anyone in my whole life and really felt like there was this beautiful feeling enveloping both of us around our chest area. At the same time I felt love and sadness. Like two honest energies were connected into one intimate blob of energy, which was a beautiful feeling. I think Kath's energy theory has now more proof to it in my mind.

[OneOfFourth]

only thing that comes to mind is that physical distance is kinda "squishy". When you're focusing on someone/thing (effectively), you're kinda already at that thing, on the levels of reality which are relevant. Or perhaps more "focus 'is' spatial position" when it comes to the nonphysical level of reality.

The above quote from earlier this thread seems to describe exactly what I experienced with the creepy voice demon on the "boo!" effect night. Whenever I was simply thinking of the demon's voice I had heard earlier, I immediately felt the physical effects strongly in my body. Never have I experienced that before. I.e. simply turning my memories to the sound gave me physical effects. This begs the question: what else can be affected equally easily by simply turning attention to it?

[Kath]

I mostly have to perceive visually what the possible entity's mood could be. But the problem is that most of the entities don't resemble humans at all: how do you tell facial expressions from a bunch of energetic tentacles? :-/ For some reason, most of the time, I don't receive mood vibes from the entities. Something could be blocking those senses from me. Then again I do receive intuitive info, even though it's said to come from the heart, so go figure. It's like there's some filter in my heart / empathic sense from entities or something.

hmmm, interesting. I just feel the vibes. Although some entities aren't outwardly forthcoming, but I can be kinda intrusive by nature, so it rarely matters if they're intentionally forthcoming or not.

So I'd better be careful with what I think or recall in my mind. I quess the more vivid the memory/feel/image in your mind is about some entity you met earlier, the more likely you're going to make connection with it or invite it to come to you?

Yeah, that sums it up pretty much.
In simplest possible terms, telling scary stories gives you goosebumps cuz you're kinda positioning yourself astrally nearer entities with that sort of vibe. I'm sure there's also a more purely psychosomatic element to it as well, but I don't think it's entirely psychosomatic.

I find it interesting that I have no problem remembering the 'vibe' of various people or entities. I do forget things, lose things, etc. I guess there's just something very viscerally engaging about the energy signature of beings, places, etc, which makes them stick out in my memory very vividly.

Anyway, with astral/OBE I like to say "focus is location". In the sense that what you focus on, dwell on, etc. really defines where you go, and what you interact with. In a more general sense, if you astrally project with just a mood, you'll likely go somewhere fitting to that mood, or interact with something which mirrors that mood (either as a match for it, or as a reciprocal opposite mirror image). Basically if you're in a dark frame of mind, and you OBE, you're going to have a dark time. hehe.

Oh shit. Thanks for the warning

So basically your own mood both attracts entities that like that kind of mood and your astral projection goes to such places also. I'd better start pumping up my mood before doing any of that stuff.

Maybe that's part of the problem what went wrong as described in the starting post of this thread? I was unsure what would happen and what it would look like. Maybe that's why I ended up in completely uncharted territory which I had no experience with?

Well, don't FRET about your mood, cuz then your mood is most fundamentally "fretting" hehe.
But ya, you can get into a kinda spiral of unpleasantness without realizing that it's partly enabled within your own mental/emotional hygiene.

This effect actually gives me a lot of pause about my childhood spiritual experiences. They were kinda traumatic in nature. I would argue that I was a very fearful child though. I mentioned that it can attract the same, or a mirror opposite of your resonance, because fear could attract/spread fear, but it can also attract beings who like the smell of fear, but are not themselves fearful. Fear is kind of a "blood in the water" thing around negative entities. Really gets em riled up and excited.

When I became less fearful with age, my spiritual experiences became less frightening. When I much later largely amputated 'fear' (for other reasons), my spiritual experiences became downright dull, at least in so far as fear/predation dynamic is concerned

I still enjoy horror fiction. But it's a kinda 'regressive' thing, I get in touch with my inner child, and through that part of self enjoy the titilation of scary fiction. I find it interesting that in a movie theater, at a showing of a movie which is successfully scary, there's a palpable vibe in the air kinda radiating from the audience. It's more intense if you ever observe panic spreading through a crowd though. I don't think fear is a bad thing really, it was just 'in my way' spiritually speaking.

I think some simpler forms of negative energy feeders trickle 'fear' into a sleeping person's dream, like a seed, and allow the dreamer's non-lucid imagination to manifest whatever comes to mind as a result, which results in much more fear energy in the end output. Kind of an energy investment strategy I guess. They don't have to be creative and craft a scary dream, it can be as simple as dripping a vibe into a dreamer, and letting them craft their own imaginative dream narrative under that influence.

There are numerous examples across many cultures where speaking of a thing is considered to have a form of "soft summoning" effect. It definitely follows that dwelling intently on something does as well. You could even see the effect in something as commonplace as prayer. It's an almost universal trope across religions and occult beliefs, around the world.

So I have this kind of lossy compression going on with all the information I have in my brain. When I need some info, I just look what's available, what are the closest things to the stuff I happen to need at that moment and then I interpolate/deduct the information what's near/around it. This means I need to learn the basics really well. After that it's just adding small info nuggest here and there and I can cover huge area of knowledge.

yeah, a lossy compression is a good analogy.
like the more complex info is there, if you want to delve into it. But for quick "on the fly" use, there's a kind of instinctual shorthand version of all you've learned. A gut feel for things, which becomes more accurate with more information.

I'm kinda the same also. I found one key point which I can't deny from happening, which are synchronizities. I took that and started taking the phenomenon apart and thinking what makes it tick, what's required for it and why, using synchronizities themselves and spirit guides as help while learning it's workings. And then a very high level picture of the world and magick started forming into my mind which feels like it makes sense. Didn't fit my previous worldview at all, but given all I've experienced and seen with my own eyes, I can't explain them with any other way either. I still need to make proper tests and come up with alternative theories. Actually I already have one alternative theory, but I immediately found one issue with it, which keeps bugging me.

My mentor used synchronicities most often, when I would feel doubt about her being a real thing. Sort of dropping sychronicities on me with turns of phrase which turned out to have synchronicities with events the following day, etc. Sometimes she was just very blunt and explicit though. She didn't have any desire for blind faith on my part.

Basically the two competing theories in a nutshell are:

1. Everything is created by all encompassing mind, which you are most probably a tiny part of. Spirits/demons are external to self. Synchronizities and disappearing/reappearing objects are done by spirits (as described in more detail in my thread about synchronizities). Magick in it's most fundamental nature is you describing The Universe what you want it do do. The Universe decides the details and proceeds accordingly.

2. Everything is self. i.e. "I am god". Spirits/demons are internal to self. Parallel timelines (probably in conjunction with you sensing subconsciously what's about to happen) create synchronizities and disappearing objects. Magick is you changing your own mental reality since everything exists only in your own mind.

The problem with #2 is that I've witnessed objects reappearing in other places from where they originated. Also a person in a video explained how he saw a vision of spirits poking his stomach and it hurt. Later he passed several really large gallstones. Doctors said that can't happen due to the size of the stones, but they couldn't explain it either. Parallel timelines can't do that: gallstones can't pass through gallbladder wall, so in non of the parallel timelines does the gallstone magickally teleport 5 cm away from inside the gallbladder. Thus no amount of parallel timeline shifts/jumps can produce the effect of what happened to that man. Thus I'm still leaning towards the explanation #1. It also goes nicely hand in hand with some historical and social things one might observe.

are 1 and 2 mutually exclusive really?
or rather, can 2 be the case in the 'big picture', but we're really only able to wrap our minds around 1, so it looks like 1?
Some in the east would argue that 2 suggests a logical path to pacifism. Since harming others harms the self in a way.
I'd argue that's overly simplistic, since i feel that having great empathy for another being doesn't remove them from the dynamic of their actions having consequences.

I kinda model it as a 'big self' / 'small self' duality. The small self being very finite, having individuality, personal interests, etc. and the large self being much more diffuse, drastically larger in potential potency or awareness, but drastically diminished in individuality. And the two selves being linked by a kind of continuum, with shades of gray between. Like the self is shaped like a wedge, where the tip is sharp and finite, particular, specific, separate. but the larger end of the wedge extends as infinitely out into the cosmos as you can dare to chase it. Though the further you are from that wedge, the less 'particular individual' you are.

In the east, it would be viewed as good to explore the larger self, to the fullest, even at the detriment of the small self. Where I would mainly be heretical to many in eastern religion/beliefs, is that I don't think it's an "either/or" proposition. It looks kinda 'either/or', it feels intuitively kinda 'either/or'...

But my take on it, is that the either/or thing is just an illusion, born of the limited spatial geometry comprehension of the human brain, which is perceptually trapped in 4-D space-time. (which is quite a mouthful to 'fully' unpack, but i chose the words carefully)

That's probably the reason why I sense a lot more easily things from people I like than from people I don't like. I'm much more unreserved and thus open subconsciously to take in their energy/vibes, which leads me to be able to predict what they're about to say next. With people I don't like I'm much more reserved and all my senses are tuned into detecting potential dangers from the person.

makes sense to me.
of course, there's the likelihood that you'll be better able to predict what a person will say next if you know them well. But I've had more examples than I can count of things which were completely and totally outside any frame of reference which might be used to make an educated guess.

I'm currently in that exact phase. I use it to shield myself and to move energy to my mind/brain which does specific simple things when adverse party attack starts on me. I also experiment with it to make my automatical response as "no" to spirits/etc. trying to get any kind of permissions from me while I'm sleeping. I'm not sure if it's working or not, but I've not had serious attacks coming my way during the past couple of weeks now.

Many years ago, I had one very frightening dream (which was only frightening after I woke up, not during it), which suggests that's a wise precaution.

Hmm, I have to try that and see what happens. I'm a big believer in that anything we can visualize in our minds is just a vague subconsciously created deciphered interpretation what's actually going on when doing magick or when dealing with spirits, etc.

I like that, and I'd agree.

Never did that sensing part. I have to try it and see what happens. Maybe I can sense things from entities. Then again I seem to have the empathic sensing problem of entities I mentioned earlier...

not sure what's causing that. I only shifted from excessive uncontrolled empathy, to excessive well controlled empathy. hehe.
The only experience I have with empathic blocks is when shielding is in use. So my gut impulse would be to look for some sort of barrier effect, possibly subconsciously created, possibly placed by something external.

I did on one occasion kinda 'burn out' my energy body. It was a very long time ago, and it was self inflicted. For a little while, it left my sensitivity really messed up.

Also, shields (or something very like shields or warding) can be used to encircle someone offensively, to kinda isolate them from outside energy, and their spiritual sensitivities. If you work with shields a lot, you'll eventually figure out that such barriers aren't really all that strong. They can seem strong, but it's kinda relative. Um... going back to the 'wedge shaped self' thing, it's only the pointy tip that's inside (or outside) a barrier, so with a little bit of adjustment in consciousness state, it becomes largely irrelevant. I think that no two places are "entirely" separate, depending on your sense of perspective. Or perhaps put another way, imagine painting the surface of the 3D portion of a hypercube... in 3D you've completely encompassed the cube in paint, in 4 spatial dimensions though, you haven't.

You did it again! "Me confus." OK, I have to tell you what happened yesterday and today. This is completely unrelated to the topic:

First I have to say I haven't read this post before starting to write my answer today.

Yesterday I was lying in my bed, waiting to get sleepy. I was hearing a song playing in my head. I can't remember which song it was, but the lyrics said that I should answer the call or pickup the phone or something similar. It just went on and on and on and I started wondering if it could be an actual telepathic connection attempt to my direction. I decided to "answer" the call and kind of "heard" a voice speaking to me. It wasn't any different if I had imagined the voice myself, but I (to my knowledge) wasn't actively trying to influece what the voice said, nor was I trying to predict it in any way. It surpriced me many times, actually.

Anyway, the voice sounded like my father and it also introduced itself as such. I felt highly sceptical and said "If you're really my dad, send me an e-mail and say anything about a banana or bananas." (this is the exact same thing I had done in and mentioned in my very first post on these forums) The voice said that it can't do that since it's from parallel universe or timeline or something. I calld it bullshit and added "Even if what you're saying is true, you'd still be able to send your own parallel version of self a message to send me an e-mail." The voice agreed that it's true and I just "hung up the phone".

Shortly after the song started playing again in my head. This time a voice introduced itself as being my sister. I called it bullshit again and delivered the same message and hung up. I rarely ask for bananas as a proof of something but this time I did.

No e-mails nor text messages of any kind were to be found today from either of them so I felt happy that I was able to recognize when my imagination was the source of things.

Fast rewind to this morning:
I had already woken up but was still lying in my bed, waiting to get enough energy to get up. I heard a clear female voice in my mind saying softly but slightly insistently "C'mon Kath." which startled me. It felt/sounded like the same voice which I heard couple of weeks ago speak like I had called a service number with phone. I almost immediately asked spirit guides if I subconsciously had sent you a message. I received "no". I asked it had been a spirit. I recieved "yes". I asked if a spirit had sent you message or something. I received "yes". I asked if I should mention this to you. I received "yes". During today I had already decided not to mention anything about this, until I read your post and saw the banana in it. Do I have a psychic connection through time with your bananas or something? Did you notice anything out of ordinary this morning, or the day when you wrote your post I'm answering to now?

hmmmm, bananas are my go-to "random thing". Like, "think of something random! ok what did you think of?" I'm not unlikely to have thought of a banana. Just because i've used it in a few different essays on philosophical concepts.

So if i have had banana as a regular 'random thing' for me, since before interacting with you on this forum, it creates a little bit of a chicken & the egg issue. Which came first? Granted, I've seen things which violate causality, so, I don't think chronolocial order HAS to be uhh, 'in order'. hehe

Judging by this post as a whole, I might have judged my feelings wrong when I meet a spirit. Maybe my emotions have always been revealing to me what the spirits energy signature has been, but I have simply ignored it or in powerful cases I have confused them to be my own emotions towards that entity? Not sure if this is the case or not, but I have to keep my mind more sharp on my feelings the next time I meet a spirit of any kind.

very possible sounding to me.

i know that my mentor, if she doesn't deliberately 'contain herself' has an awe inspiring effect on smaller entities, and can even kinda dissolve away their sense of self. Like being in the presence of something much greater than oneself, one can be kinda swept away.
I had some experiences with my former religion which were like this. I did not remove myself from that ideology until I reached a point where I could kinda look upon 'grandiose scale' without it affecting my sense of self, or my critical thinking. I kinda learned to be able to shrug-off being 'awed'. Kind of a pinnacle of achievement for me in learning to control empathy.
Anyway it was only after that point in time that my mentor approached me. Which makes sense, cuz she's not really a fan of drooling sycophants.

that's a pretty extreme example though. even just regular people, totally unaware of any energetic effects, can kinda browbeat others with emotional energy output which can pigeon hole people into feeling a certain way.

When my empathy was uncontrolled, I felt like a little rubber dingie in the middle of a hurricane at sea. I was very tossed around, and had a very weak sense of self.

My experience is that Law of Attraction definitely works, but I also fear that it works without conscience. I.e. for you to receive good things, they're removed from others. So it's easy to steal unknowingly from others when using Law of Attraction without knowledge how it works.

hmmm, good point.
some things are free But if it's something like money then it's someone else having less, true enough.

I have an experience which I can't type out some of the finer details of. Where I was intimately familiarized with the visceral experience of the 'moment of death'. Overall, If I put the inconvenience of a busted up hip, and the experience/knowledge gained, both on a scale, the busted up hip seems heavier. But from a purely spiritual-path-oriented standpoint, it was informative. I'm left thinking "there has to be an easier way to learn shit like this" but I can't think of one off the top of my head

I tend to agree that the more unpleasant experiences are those which teach us things that we couldn't learn otherwise. Some suffering is usually required for old things to be chipped off your self and new things to start growing.

yeah, but the exchange rate was crappy in that case

[Kath]

only thing that comes to mind is that physical distance is kinda "squishy". When you're focusing on someone/thing (effectively), you're kinda already at that thing, on the levels of reality which are relevant. Or perhaps more "focus 'is' spatial position" when it comes to the nonphysical level of reality.

The above quote from earlier this thread seems to describe exactly what I experienced with the creepy voice demon on the "boo!" effect night. Whenever I was simply thinking of the demon's voice I had heard earlier, I immediately felt the physical effects strongly in my body. Never have I experienced that before. I.e. simply turning my memories to the sound gave me physical effects. This begs the question: what else can be affected equally easily by simply turning attention to it?

what else? um, pretty much everything? or so it seems to me.
seeing new things, exploring, learning new things, experiencing new things, meeting new people or other beings, etc. kinda feels like crafting a library-museum-phonebook. or something like that

I kinda differentiate between recalling events people, entities, etc. in either an abstract way, or in a more 'feeling' manner. Where one is more just informational, and the other invokes a connection. I find it hard to completely separate the two, but i can talk about something with only very superficial connection & feeling being generated, but it takes a bit of focus to kinda recall information without recalling the energetic vibes.

[Kath]

I experienced the "boo!" effect two nights ago:
...

Lessons learned:
- Mental wounds can work as hiding places for malevolent spirits.
- Influence/voice of the malevolent spirits gets transformed into your own inner dialogue/subconscious thoughts if the spirit "speaks through" the mental wound to you.
- Fix mental wounds and spirits hiding behind/in them don't have a hiding place anymore: you'll notice them automatically when they act.
- Mental wounds act like anchors for malevolent spirits: they keep hold to them if you try to cast them out, making it much harder to get rid of them.
- Shadow Work is really powerful, effective and fast way to heal mental wounds.
- Fix all mental wounds and you become like a greased glass: no malevolent spirit can grab hold of you and take home in you.

BTW: I hope you're OK and well, since you haven't been on this forum for awhile now. Then again I remember you mentioning that you don't visit this forum often.

Your story reminds me a little bit of a scary spiritual experience I had in a hallway as a child. But that wasn't exactly a "Boo" hehe. it was something else which was scary. But standing in a hallway refuting the emotional influence, reminded of that.

the lessons learned stuff seems really insightful to me

I'm not 100% in agreement with the last bit, that fixing all mental wounds leaves you bulletproof to malevolent spiritual influence. BUT it certainly closes a huge gaping hole.

odd that you hoped I was ok 6 days ago.
I get busy with this & that, and it can be hard to keep up a routine hehe. and i can fall out of the habit of regularly doing something (like bounce around a forum
6 days ago though, i thought, out of the blue, "I need to check back with that forum", I wasn't at a computer at the time though, so i just made a mental note to get to it sometime this week. your synchronicities are rubbing off on me eeek!

[OneOfFourth]

odd that you hoped I was ok 6 days ago.
I get busy with this & that, and it can be hard to keep up a routine hehe. and i can fall out of the habit of regularly doing something (like bounce around a forum
6 days ago though, i thought, out of the blue, "I need to check back with that forum", I wasn't at a computer at the time though, so i just made a mental note to get to it sometime this week. your synchronicities are rubbing off on me eeek!

It gets better: I hoped that same today too and here you are, posting on the forum My exact hope was to hear that you haven't been caught up as collateral damage with my problems with the mage group. Somehow my selfless wishes come true pretty fast. Selfish ones never.

I have lots of catching up to do with lots of posts from the past few days on this forum. I'll be back during this weekend to answer posts properly.

[OneOfFourth]

Hmm, some days ago I received the following information from some esoteric source. No idea from where, probably my team (spirit guides) :

There is no such thing as intution. What people call intuition is actually your own soul sending your human mind messages. Learn to listen to those messages and you're connecting with your soul.

What do you guys think? Is that message true or BS?

[Amor]

Intuition is a heart function. In the 5 soul system the heart is one of the souls

[OneOfFourth]

So in that sense it would be true.

EDIT: Hmm, as I posted this message, I received two identical synchronizities saying that I need to do adjustments into that mental image. I think it could mean that the "amunt of 5 souls" might not be true. Dunno. I need to look more into this topic.

[Kath]

There is no such thing as intution. What people call intuition is actually your own soul sending your human mind messages. Learn to listen to those messages and you're connecting with your soul.

What do you guys think? Is that message true or BS?

mmmm, I don't draw a huge distinction between mind and soul.
Although I kinda view soul as having many levels to it, both structurally, and in terms of mind.
Some of the structural elements of mind being immaterial. And the mind kinda spanning from individual to expansive. And higher mind being more permanent and entangled with soul, while lower mind is more transient and body anchored. But none of it really separate or distinct from the other parts exactly.
I guess I kinda think of mind and soul as being on a continuum rather than being distinctly separate things.

I'm probably just making a semantic distinction. I mean when people say "hand" they don't mean that to imply something distinctly separate from "body".

If the "soul" is what remains without the support of the physical body, then to me soul would include the higher mind and some of the energy body. Meanwhile the lower mind and some of the energy body is rooted in the physical body.

Even as i try to describe how I think about these terms, I feel like I'm describing them differently than what I'm thinking. Like there's nuance to what I'm thinking which I don't know how to articulate, and it makes me feel like what I'm typing isn't quite accurate to what I'm thinking. Like I'm trying to accurately describe a tessaract with 3-D words, and kinda stumbling through the description. Not that I'm crystal clear in my understanding in the first place.


I don't disagree with the message though.

Hmmm. Can't intuition come from more than one source potentially? I think sometimes intuition is just your subconscious telling you something. Sometimes it's more like akashic information access. Sometimes it's the part of your thoughts which aren't strictly anchored in 'time' the way most of your consciousness is, and intuition can be a sort of dim feeling of precognition. Sometimes it's insight from higher self. Sometimes it's adding the nuance of empathic sensitivity to your thinking. And sometimes it's just reading body language, tone, etc. in a very mundane way.

I guess intuition could be any of a long list of things, any of which introduce information into your thinking from outside your conscious cognitive logic process.

[OneOfFourth]

mmmm, I don't draw a huge distinction between mind and soul.

I guess I kinda think of mind and soul as being on a continuum rather than being distinctly separate things.

Maybe your own previous explanation of the "think of psychology and thoughts as energy interactions between people" could be a starting point?

I.e. if we thought of everything in the universe as being one huge field of mind/energy, then "self" would be some blurry local area of it. Then you could think of mind as an axis into the direction of dimension X, having two extreme ends: physical mind and soul. The further away you move along the axis from the physical mind, the close you'll get to the soul. The plot twist would be that the mind axis doesn't actually stop where you reach your "soul area": if you go even further, you start reaching other souls, global consciousness, whatever if outside of yourself. Each border being very blurry and impossible to tell the difference where one ends and the next one starts.

Hmmm. Can't intuition come from more than one source potentially? I think sometimes intuition is just your subconscious telling you something. Sometimes it's more like akashic information access. Sometimes it's the part of your thoughts which aren't strictly anchored in 'time' the way most of your consciousness is, and intuition can be a sort of dim feeling of precognition. Sometimes it's insight from higher self. Sometimes it's adding the nuance of empathic sensitivity to your thinking. And sometimes it's just reading body language, tone, etc. in a very mundane way.

I guess intuition could be any of a long list of things, any of which introduce information into your thinking from outside your conscious cognitive logic process.

Frankly, I have no idea. I'm pondering on the possibility, that depending on your personality, state of mind and which kinds of things you're used to trust receiving from your intuition, the soul can reach your "physical mind" in various degrees of success. I.e. in between your soul and your "physical mind" are experiences which you start going through when faced with some specific situation. The more "intuitively"/quickly/automatically you come up with information and ideas about a given situation you're in, the more direct line you have to your soul in that area. I.e. the less garbage there is blocking the information flow from your soul to your physical mind. If there is zero garbage in the way, you instantly get a very clear knowing about the situation without any doubt at all. If there is some garbage, you get some idea, but also some extra distracting feelings about the situation: "The situation is like this, but that thing could also mean something extra..." etc.

This in turn would mean that all your experiences and thoughts are also contained your your soul. So your physical mind would be like a computer CPU's data cache: it could contain almost any data, but if the right data in the right context isn't readily available in the cache, retrieving the required data from memory (soul) can be really slow, unless that data bus between the cache and memory is optimised for that kind of memory access.

[OneOfFourth]

Intuition is a heart function. In the 5 soul system the heart is one of the souls

BTW, off topic to your answer, but very relevant to what you've been telling me more than once and what I've experienced lately. About the "octopus" on top of my head you've mentioned:

As I mentioned, I saw a slug/eel kind of thing on top of my head. The way I saw this and other types of entities was that I first visualised a flame in my heart and then moved my view outside my body to inspect what I can see. Entities in this type of vision are almost always grey/black/dark blue/light blue in color.

A week ago or so I tried a different approach:
When I felt some irritating emotion, I recognised it to be something that I need to do some Shadow Work on. Instead of starting my usual Shadow Work routine, I "lingered" on the emotion, clearing my mind, trying to sense where it is coming from or where it is connected to. After about a minute of being in this meditative state my mind I "saw" and felt some "string" right in front of my eyes which I immediately followed upward. I saw this brightly lit yellow/orange jelly fish like entity: clear spaceous body and thin tentacles coming down to my head. At this point I "heard" a mental information (not a real voice but more like knowing of the message) that "I've entered a new plane". When I interacted with the jellyfish entity or commanded it, Person-X (who was under the same roof with me) reacted in a physical way. Every time I did that. The octopus you saw is Person-X or some very direct link to Person-X.

Another thing I experienced:
I kicked out some entity that had attached itself to me. I commanded it to go away. It seemed to be going through the reality of my vision: it pushed through some fabric of space like a hole appeared into thin air. I followed it through the whole and ended up in some fairly brightly lit place. I think it's possible to enter different places/planes/something by following entities.

[Kath]

... if we thought of everything in the universe as being one huge field of mind/energy, then "self" would be some blurry local area of it. Then you could think of mind as an axis into the direction of dimension X, having two extreme ends: physical mind and soul. The further away you move along the axis from the physical mind, the close you'll get to the soul. The plot twist would be that the mind axis doesn't actually stop where you reach your "soul area": if you go even further, you start reaching other souls, global consciousness, whatever if outside of yourself. Each border being very blurry and impossible to tell the difference where one ends and the next one starts.

I think i'd use all different words and explanations, but I don't think i'd say anything meaningfully different from that.
I get the impression we have a very similar view of mind/consciousness/soul/energy/body/physical/immaterial stuff.

This in turn would mean that all your experiences and thoughts are also contained your your soul. So your physical mind would be like a computer CPU's data cache: it could contain almost any data, but if the right data in the right context isn't readily available in the cache, retrieving the required data from memory (soul) can be really slow, unless that data bus between the cache and memory is optimised for that kind of memory access.

I reach for computer examples of how stuff works pretty often too

[Kath]

Another thing I experienced:
I kicked out some entity that had attached itself to me. I commanded it to go away. It seemed to be going through the reality of my vision: it pushed through some fabric of space like a hole appeared into thin air. I followed it through the whole and ended up in some fairly brightly lit place. I think it's possible to enter different places/planes/something by following entities.

I always jump into every available tear in the fabric of space
(that's not sarcasm)
I'm sure some would say that's foolhardy, maybe even most. But everybody has a vice, mine's curiosity.

[OneOfFourth]

My synchronizities are telling me that The-37 are now likely targeting you directly, starting from last night when I received the synchronizity message. Reason being that you are "too useful" source of information for me. The other reason being that they simply want to do everything they can to get under my skin by trying to make me angry, desperate and to get me in such a state of mind that my spiritual progress stops or even degenerates and would destroy me mentally (i.e. mental breakdown --> suicide). Not gonna happen though. I've been going to the exact opposite direction really fast and I'm not getting triggered much by their attempts anymore. This could be why they're trying something new.

My synchronizities are also letting me believe that your previous life situation which distracted you away from these forums (and which resolved itself lately) was an indirect attack from The-37 targeted towards me for the same reason mentioned above (cut the source of useful information).

I would suspect that they might try one of the following standard approached they seem to take:
1. They most likely just try to harrass you in one or more ways: cause social trouble, demonic attacks, financial/legal/boureaucratic trouble, physical/mental health issues, accidents.
2. They try to initiate you, which is less likely, but still possible.

In case I'm right and they start doing any of that, I'll share some pointers to their most used methods of operation I've learned from interacting with them so far:

First of all they seem to be really careful about violating the Free Will and Natural Laws. This doesn't make it any easier deaing with them, since they use clever ways of getting around those limitations. Those methods also make it harder to track from where the attack came from. You wanted interesting situations where you could potentially learn something new. If I'm right (hopefully I'm not), you might get your chance :-/

I received the following information/confirmation last night also, when I queried more information about the synchronizity message's meaning: One of the most often used ways they get around those above limitations is by using demons to make indirect attacks towards their intended target. The demons they seem to be using can sense what's in the future (and maybe in the past). They manipulate people and things to interact with you in specific ways to push you into desired direction. This way they aren't harming you directly themselves, but through several proxies (short and long chain reactions). I.e. demon gets to work, manipulates things and people here and there and the result is that shit hits the fan and you get into trouble with some people/legal issues/friend gets cancer/accident/etc.

I've learned that there is an "easy way" to defend against this type of attack: you have to realize what kind of attack is coming and you simply "name the attack". I.e. you realise that "Ah ha! They're attacking me by trying to destoy my reputation!" and then simply deny them by stating to The Universe "Demons (or magick) which try to destroy my reputation CAN NOT do that to me." And that's it. Usually when it works, you get a clear physical effect from your surroundings (at least that's what happens to me, usually some loud sudden noise exactly when you do the mentioned thing). The problem with this is that it will work for maybe half a day or a full day. So you need to be repeating it often to keep the effect gone. To permanently get rid of that attack, you need to recognize the attack and find the demon doing it. I assume you could recognize the situation which starts to look and feel like it's caused by such an attack and use etheric senses to find who/what caused it, then trace further again and again until you find the culprit. So you don't necessarily get a traditional demonic attack which you instantly recognize as demonic action. Remember, these attacks are often by proxy.

Another type of attack they seem to love to use are misusing spiritual downloads. In a nutshell spiritual downloads add/replace/modify your experiences you have stored in your mind and subconscious. If you think about it, everything that's you are your experiences: memories, subconscious reactions, opinions, traumas, things you love and hate, etc. The more you change those, the more you reprogram the person to become something else. One specific use-case for spiritual download is illusion magick: reprogram the subconscious of the target so that when you use any kind of trigger (such as in hypnosis) or telepathic command, the mind reacts in a very strong way: cause seisure/heart attack/anaphylactic shock, which can lead to death. Also strong hallucinations+psychosis can be induced: make target believe he/she has something horrible inside his/her stomach and the victim cuts his/her own stomach open. Not fun stuff if the effects hit hard.

The illusion magick seems to be the often used way for spiritual download attacks. There are three ways to get rid of their effects:
1. Force/push the effects away with sheer willpower. This is the slowest and hardest way of doing it.
2. Instead of trying to ignore the effects, concentrate as closely as possible on the feelings you have in your body during the attack. If you feel like you can't breathe, focus closely where you feel the nasty effects. When you focus on that spot in your body, you notice that there was nothing there after all. The feelings seem to be around that area. Then move to the next area nearby which has the nasty feeling and again you notice there's actually nothing there. Keep doing this and very quickly you notice that the illusion dissolves. Usually you're left with some completely different feeling which was modified and boosted to become that nasty feeling. For example if you were hungry/thirsty or had a bit of a stomach problem, it could be turned into a strong feeling of asphyxiation which feels horrible.
3. In your mind, follow the experience/physical feeling you have deeper into your mind. From there follow again as long as you bump into entity or suggestion or magick or something that's causing the phenomenon. Then it's easy to command it to go away.

One irritating thing that The-37 does is that those attacks most often come in the middle of the night. My guess is that that's when you don't have your guard up since you're sleeping. They do need your permission to do some of those attacks, but they have means to do that without you ever realising you have given any kind of permission to anyone. I'm strongly suspecting they believe in some kind of loophole in Natural Laws which they exploit.

I'd love to donate any amount of the attacks I've been targeted with to interested parties. You can have mine if you want

'shrug' as long as it's interesting & informative.

Last night, my synchronizities let me understand that the above was basically a request for The Universe to bring in some situation from which it is possible to learn something new. Hence this potentially new issue with The-37 started. The-37 sensed the opportunity opening for making an attack with the permission already given. I think the way they "sense" these things are done by the exact same demons which they use to cause trouble on their targets. I.e. they get intuitive sense that they're allowed to do something to some specific target (information delivered by a demon) and then they don't question it but simply act on it.

I also received the following message: "Don't get addicted. Don't get out of control."
I think it means that the things you can learn from these possible upcoming attack(s) can teach you a lot of new things which can make you just want more and more to learn. This in turn is dangerous for your mental health. Whenever you feel a bit too excited, be sure to calm down, since "too much goodies in a short span of time can become a really bad thing."

The Universe seems to give you the opportunity to learn things about itself, indirect demonic attacks and how to defend against them and how to trace the attack to the demon in question and how to dispel the attacks. If you feel your life start slowly or quickly sliding down the drain or into hell, don't wait but act immediately.

Oh, I almost forgot one of their methods they seem to be using:
Law of Attraction. If they get you into bad mental state, in a state of fear/paranoia/whatever, LoA starts affecting your life and you yourself attract more and more of that stuff into your life. Hence they're again off the hook of the backlash from The Universe / Natural Laws. That's a standard attack for The-37. Don't fall for that either. Keep your head straight and mind in a positive place.

[OneOfFourth]

Wow, they are not kidding. Last night I was faced with the biggest attack ever thrown my way. It was stronger than the one I experienced a year and a half ago which almost killed me (I was saved by outside help which intervened). Just a few months ago I would have been killed for sure, but fortunately I've learned how to defend myself. It's official: the gloves are off now.

The attack was an illusion magick attack combined with adverse entities/energies attached to my head, heart and stomach to boost and prolong the effect.

[OneOfFourth]

Another attack last night.

I received the infomation I wanted to learn from the attack and from the attacker. This happened during the attack and when the attacker contacted me before making the actual attack. Useful stuff. It's also interesting how they pass on their information to reach the attacker so they can target their victims. It's definitely true that you learn much more and much faster when new people attack you instead of the same old few. I hope Kath finds these attacks equally useful, if she gets targeted by them. One of the extra things I learned (which I wasn't going for) was that it's possible to make them broadcast their plans to me.

I can definitely concur with the message I mentioned in my earlier post about "don't get addicted". When you learn new things it's too easy to get carried away because of the excitement that follows the learning. So I have to keep my head straight.

[OneOfFourth]

Aaaand couple more attacks. The interesting part is that this morning when I woke up and was still halfway in sleep state, I heard an english speaking male voice telling me sternly to "Back off!" I immediately pulled myself out of sleep and I assumed that it's one of The-37 again so I basically told it to go away. I couldn't easily hear what he was saying to me because the voice seemed much fainter after I pulled myself out of sleep. The interesting part is that I had a feeling there was more to that person's bullying, like the bullying/threats had started somewhat earlier while I was still sleeping but I had no recollection at all what he had said. The bully seemed to go away and soon after it seemed like some entities approached me which I also told to go away. Later during the day one or two very mild attacks (or approaches perhaps) happened and now everything seems calmer again. For now. Let's see what happens.

[OneOfFourth]

Here’s what I have learned by combining the newly aquired information from past days attacks with information I’ve learned during the past year or so:

From what I’ve gathered and experienced, The-37 seems to be using a fairly simple but clever psychological trick combined with standard magickal techniques (for them) to give false proof and to convince their victims / initiate members about our reality not being real. This in turn makes their members start behaving like nothing but self is important. This in turn creates evil and chaos into the world, which in a long run has really bad consequences. Here’s how it seems to be done:

First you need a spirit of anykind to induce a lucid dream state for the victim. Victim becomes fully aware of being asleep and is in full control if he/she wants to wake up or not. An important key point is that the victim can hear the real world sounds through his/her dream. This gives more tangible proof that the victim is matter of factly experiencing a lucid dream state instead of the real world. Another important key point is that the victim can also remember real memories from the real world which gives even more tangible proof about the current dream state.

By using standard spiritual downloads (as described earlier in this thread / probably done by the lucid dream inducing spirit) false memories about a reality above of our own reality are implanted to the victim. Victim is given memories about waking up into that “super reality” outside of our own reality and/or living in there. Now the victim naturally starts associating his/her experiences of remembering our real world while lucid dreaming with remembering the (non-existing) “super reality” in our real world. As spiritual downloads can open up the implanted memories gradually (or more of them can be implanted later on as required), this feels to the victim like his/her memories from the “super reality” are starting to come back.

I’ve understood that The-37 have a system which enables them to communicate and meet through dreams. If the above describes this system, it would give the victims even more false hints about our reality not being the real world. As you meet people during lucid dream states and notice that it has the same impact in the real world as if you had actually met the people in real life, you naturally start associating the real world being just another state of lucid dreaming or virtual reality / Matrix kind of experience, since you have (false) memories about the “super reality”. This effect is enhanced much further as the victim now knows like minded people who have similar experiences and have come to the same conclusion. Group mentality starts kicking in and they all feel they should try to wake up into the “super reality” which unfortunately does not exist.

One key point about the “lucid dream world” is that in addition to it being useful for distributing knowledge to the victims/initiates/member, it can be a place where you can act on your deepest desires “without suffering any consequences”. Since it’s only a dream, you can do whatever you want without any consequenses whatsoever. Unfortunately this is not true. If the victims/initiates/members act on their impulses during the lucid dream state, this makes it more and more easy to do the same in the real world also, especially when they start believing that the real world is not real after all. Think about it: you almost always have the same morals in your dreams as you have during the waking state. If you let your morals slip on a constant basis in your dreams, it’s also going to start affecting your morals during waking. This feeds strongly into the first points in this post about the members creating more and more evil and chaos into the world.

One more thing: I would not be surprised if there was also some substitution for the “hearing real world sounds through lucid dream state”. I.e. the victims would somehow sense the “super reality” while being awake, thus giving more false hints about this not being the real reality.

[Kath]

My synchronizities are telling me that The-37 are now likely targeting you directly, starting from last night when I received the synchronizity message. Reason being that you are "too useful" source of information for me. The other reason being that they simply want to do everything they can to get under my skin by trying to make me angry, desperate and to get me in such a state of mind that my spiritual progress stops or even degenerates and would destroy me mentally

hmmm

I haven't really noticed anything noteworthy.
Even trying to review events/dreams/etc. with an intent to find suspicious content (which would tend to lead to false-positives) comes up dry. Not even anything overtly interesting, let alone 'troubling'.

The methodologies you describe sound plausible.
But I dunno. I'm getting nada on my end.

What's today? Monday the 29th? I was in a bad mood about 9 days ago (saturday the 20th). It wasn't particularly severe or interesting though. I guess it managed to make me slightly grouchy. Definitely not outside the purview of a typical block of time though. I was getting over a mild head cold around then, which can tend to be a grumpy time as you still feel "blah" but you feel well enough to have the energy to be annoyed by feeling blah Really though, pretty quiet here.

Weird dreams are a norm for me. So while I did have weird dreams, nothing really stands out about them.
*shrug*


Why exactly do you think i was being spiritually attacked? I mean, i get the "useful" rationale, but what makes you think that it has happened?

[OneOfFourth]

Why exactly do you think i was being spiritually attacked? I mean, i get the "useful" rationale, but what makes you think that it has happened?

Simple: My synchronizities told me several times that some attempt tries to be prevent me from getting information from my most useful information source. That has been you lately.

[Kath]

Why exactly do you think i was being spiritually attacked? I mean, i get the "useful" rationale, but what makes you think that it has happened?

Simple: My synchronizities told me several times that some attempt tries to be prevent me from getting information from my most useful information source. That has been you lately.

ohhh, hmmm.
That's a little more broad, even a positive distraction could accomplish that.

[Amor]

>Person-X (who was under the same roof with me) reacted in a physical way. Every time I did that. The octopus you saw is Person-X or some very direct link to Person-X.

Is one "octopus" attempting to manage both of you?