Amor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:34 am
Cerber wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:21 am
in my gnosis, a human mind is just a machine, like a computer,
That is not at all my experience. Normally my mind will remind me as I go out the door if I have forgotten something.
But when my mind is pissed off then it will not even add up the change I am given in a shop. It will refuse to do the sums.
So I have learned to treat my mind nicely. It responds to love.
Hmm well something like that happened to me only once. I was always a bit abusive towards my physical self, always been treating my body as a tool, means to an end, constantly pushing to it's physical limits and beyond, breaking it regularly. But then one time, not very long ago, we were again in excruciating pain and I was ignoring it, as if it was a minor thing, and moment later physical self just stopped responding to my commands entirely, and when I still tried to force my way, I felt like something just slammed the wheel out of my hands, and just threw me out of the boat, almost. I even start having tunnel vision, loosing light. And I got back controls only after I promised to be more considered with my self. I didn't like that feeling, that feeling of fragmentation. I think we all are better, stronger together as one, as a single individual, and I from that day we try to maintain certain level of "self respect" and "self care", to all of self, so not to give any good excuse for any one part of us to start a rebellion.
Kath wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:15 am
Out of curiosity, who are you thinking of when typing that? I mean is it more to 'me'? or 'people on the internet in general'?
I get that the status quo for the species is barely being self aware at all, and having little grasp of how one's own consciousness works. The norm is to be influenced almost constantly, in hundreds of ways. I get melancholic about that.
I suppose I should say that it's sweet of you to be concerned for me.
I think there's a million ways a person could be concerned for me which would be more meaningful than being concerned about my consciousness in an inter-mind interaction though. I think it would take far too many words, with much too great a potential for misunderstanding, or misconstruing, to explain my point of view. I'm not great at knowing when to bite my tongue, but once in a while I get it right.
Anyway, I was just curious about your book-egregore-demon-thing. And I was only curious because of the implication that it may be mind-hostile. I didn't really expect to learn anything new from it. Just idle curiosity about it's sense of style.
When I was typing that I was thinking my self and all others that came before, or the ones I came across over the years. The ones, who as well were very experienced, knowledgeable, had mightiest patrons and guides, yet they took a fall, either very visibly or "discreetly".
And after seeing up close, "infestations" spreading intelligently through some communities, devouring egregores, growing rapidly and becoming the new "god", despite the experience and power of the leaders and caretakers of those communities. I adopted very simply doctrine doctrine of a brute:
See something suspicious? Take a swab. Stir it in reagent. Does it turn red? No? Maybe orange? A bit yellowish? Maybe?..
Maybe is good enough, pour 10 gallons of gasoline and set it on fire, then soak the ground in nitric acid for 10 days, the area entire 10 miles radius around and then sprinkle good amount of caustic soda 10 miles radius too. Then 2 metres of reinforced concrete on top for a final touch.
Put red tape around, with signs of "no entry" for anyone, not even the experienced ones, and just wipe that place from the maps, and all the memory banks as if the place never existed.
That what I call reasonable, appropriate approach in dealing with "infestations", actual or potential, or even theoretical.
So I didn't mean it like "oh you can't handle it, it's too dangerous for you specifically", to me it's more like "it's probably nothing, but just because it might be something, should be good enough reason to not touch it, for everyone." I'm a brute
For me this is a sacred space and I try to keep all my sacred spaces clean, the best I can. And we just cleaned it up not long ago, bleach is not even dry yet and I already almost contaminated the space.
Probably not gonna last though, but at least few more days..