Spirtual Allies

[Gaeus]

Hi guys n gals, I have a goddess picked out for a spirit ally, or more rather she picked me :p. I haven't yet initiated contact yet because of 2 reasons. Even though she is saying hey look at me, I just don't feel like I'm really worth her attention. Secondly and most importantly I am afraid that if we form this bond that she might get jealous should I call on other spirits later. Anyone have a higher level spirit ally? And if so, would you think that my fears could be founded? And thirdly how do you incorporate them into your spells? I'm guessing a verbal or visual componant as required. Guess I just want to hear you guys brag about yours so I can learn a little. There isn't a whole lot more the books I have can tell me on this matter. Happy bragging

[hobotubbie]

Why are you so sure of your claims that a goddess interacted with you in order to become your ally?
Why would one even want such a thing to start off?

Needs more detail..

No bragging from my part

[Nahemah]

I have a goddess picked out for a spirit ally, or more rather she picked me :p. I haven't yet initiated contact yet because of 2 reasons. Even though she is saying hey look at me, I just don't feel like I'm really worth her attention.

If she picked you,she thinks you are worthy.A bit of getting over it is required if you want to progress.

Secondly and most importantly I am afraid that if we form this bond that she might get jealous should I call on other spirits later.

Why do you feel this way?

would you think that my fears could be founded?

Are you at all familiar with the concept of the 'watcher on the threshhold'?

And thirdly how do you incorporate them into your spells? I'm guessing a verbal or visual componant as required. Guess I just want to hear you guys brag about yours so I can learn a little. There isn't a whole lot more the books I have can tell me on this matter. Happy bragging

Hmm..deal with the above and before first,I think.

No bragging,sorry.

Maybe later,lol. [greensmile]

[Gaeus]

I guess your right. I've never dealt with anything more than a low level demon at this point. The greek God's seem to be notoriously jealous so I just have no idea what to expect. No idea what the watcher on the threshold is. I'll have to look it up lol . Finally, PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!! [happy2]

[Nahemah]

Wot,bragging? [greensmile]

Alrighty then,lol...


My first lies in Mimirs well,

the next betwitxt worlds am I,

The third in Helaheim rooted,

But of Earth, am I suited and booted...

Who am I...?

[Gaeus]

I am still quite unsure, but there isn't a whole lot more I am gonna be able to find.
Okay so the first line I feel is a reference to Odin's eye.
The second line to the disposition of Baldur, Odin's son.
The third to Hel, Loki's daughter, and ruler of helaheim.
The final is really confusing but I see it being Loki's current disposition.

Final Answer is Loki. I am kinda jealous btw, he's pretty crafty

[Nahemah]

Well done.I'm impressed you got it. [grin]

I'm a dedicant of Hela.That's not as grand as it sounds,lol,but all the above names are very relevant and Loki especially so.

I condensed it all a bit,but that was a decent attempt at a riddle,if I say so myself,lol.

I was a little inebriated when I posted it last night. [blush]

I left out the blatantly obvious,though,I was considering posting something about Bragi re: bragging,lol. [lol]

[Nahemah]

http://www.articleoutlook.com/the-watch ... threshold/

This was originally posted here:

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... es#p468768

Serenity found an excellent article.It's those feelings of self worth that need fixing,mostly.

Self belief comes with time,but you can be your own worst enemy at times too,we all do it,lol,it's very human and it's part of the stages of growth/realisation.

[Gaeus]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the links . And jeeze I was researching for like 6 hours over 2 days looking at all the angles. If I would've been wrong well... let's just say I'd have been a wee disheartened LOL!

[manonthepath]

I seem to have missed which deity your are dealing with. If she is Greek and you are afraid of becoming involved in some sort of intrigue, you may want to consider attempting to engage a Roman aspect of the energy. Things are different for everyone, of course, but I find the Roman energetic to be generous and quite kind when engaged with reverence. I've seen them rain down a world of hurt as well, but I can't imagine them as deceitful in any way.

[RoseRed]

Read the mythology. All the answers you need are found there.

If you're not ready to commit yourself then you're simply not ready. It really is that easy.

I don't incorporate god/desses into my spells.

[Taeo]

Worthiness is an fascinating concept.

Take the Goddess Aphrodite-Venus into consideration and realize that she has power within her domain of influence. If there were no atoms, if there were no people or animals, what exactly would she have power over? So it is that the Gods are dependent on even the smallest of things in order to meet their chosen purpose. In that they are dependent upon these beings, on us, it is revealed that they do not have a literal power 'over' us, but rather 'through' us.

So it isn't a question of whether you are worthy of this deity. It is a question of whether or not you are prepared, or willing, to be an agent of this deity's influence. Is this deity worthy of you?

[manonthepath]

Worthiness is an fascinating concept.

Take the Goddess Aphrodite-Venus into consideration and realize that she has power within her domain of influence. If there were no atoms, if there were no people or animals, what exactly would she have power over? So it is that the Gods are dependent on even the smallest of things in order to meet their chosen purpose. In that they are dependent upon these beings, on us, it is revealed that they do not have a literal power 'over' us, but rather 'through' us.

So it isn't a question of whether you are worthy of this deity. It is a question of whether or not you are prepared, or willing, to be an agent of this deity's influence. Is this deity worthy of you?

Can you break your logic down for me? I don't quite follow the connection between atoms being needed for energies to function and the jump you make regarding the necessity of man in the equation. I can be a bit dense sometimes and would very much appreciate your filling the numbers in for me. Thanks.

[Taeo]

Worthiness is an fascinating concept.

Take the Goddess Aphrodite-Venus into consideration and realize that she has power within her domain of influence. If there were no atoms, if there were no people or animals, what exactly would she have power over? So it is that the Gods are dependent on even the smallest of things in order to meet their chosen purpose. In that they are dependent upon these beings, on us, it is revealed that they do not have a literal power 'over' us, but rather 'through' us.

So it isn't a question of whether you are worthy of this deity. It is a question of whether or not you are prepared, or willing, to be an agent of this deity's influence. Is this deity worthy of you?

Can you break your logic down for me? I don't quite follow the connection between atoms being needed for energies to function and the jump you make regarding the necessity of man in the equation. I can be a bit dense sometimes and would very much appreciate your filling the numbers in for me. Thanks.

I apologize. One of my short-comings is that my mind works so quickly that I overlook connection points and end up presenting my conclusions without the process.

Aphrodite-Venus is a Goddess of love, beauty, pleasure and reproduction. Why is the beauty of a thing? Why is it determined what is pleasurable and what isn't? Why love? All of these things are based on formation and relation to one another. The relationship and connection of form. Aphrodite-Venus is a Goddess of connections, of relationships but also why things relate and why things are connected through beauty and love.

On a more abstract level, Aphrodite-Venus's domain is material existence. As a deity of beauty, procreation, love and pleasure, her charge is the perpetuation of form. A species mates in order to continue existing. Flowers are attractive to bees for this reason, people find each other attractive for this reason. Each living species has their own attractants, and the process of mating can be very, very pleasurable.

This explains why her domain is over material existence, and why atoms were involved in my initial reply. If there were no material existence, what would there be to perpetuate? What could reproduce? Energy cannot be destroyed or created. It can change forms, but without form, there is no change. If there is no change, there is no perpetuation, there is no procreation and because everything is same-ness, beauty is moot.

People do not have the same limitation. Our bodies are confined to material existence, but our minds and our souls can influence things outside of that. We can achieve a state of union with that formless infinite and still have influence. Our power, for lack of a better term, is not limited to influencing material existence.

We are not limited to a specific domain of influence. Aphrodite-Venus is the governess of love, beauty, procreation and pleasure. That is the source of her power. We can also influence these things, but we can influence much more. Our power, our influence, need not pertain to anything.

[manonthepath]

Than k you for your reply. I'd like to explore this a bit more. Do you not think that the material is just an expression of an energy dynamic? Some consider love and the desire to procreate to be different things, even though they are closely related. Love evolves beyond the mere physical and is a manifestation of affinities between psychological, emotional and behavioral aspects of ego, which is a reflection of the spirit beneath. all of these variables are energies and constitute certain dynamics. When an egg is fertilized there is a burst of energy that causes it to take the form of an embryo. This energetic dynamic enables the form to have function. Some physicists assert that sub-atomic particles are nothing but energy fields. an example of which is that if one were to enlarge a single proton to the size of a golf ball, the nearest electron would be more than two miles away. It can easily be argued that the only difference between energy and matter is the field density of each. my spin on all this is that matter is no different from energy. It is merely a form of energy. considering that something like 95% of the cosmos is made up of dark energy and dark matter, it is clear that our species has a great deal to learn and should be very cautious in assuming the jurisdiction and scope of any deities or energetic powers.

[Sypheara]

I would say Gaeus you are approaching it far too logically.

That may sound weird at first, but my best advice would to do what your heart says. If you feel like you could dedicate your time and love to this Goddess, then go for it.

I am personally dedicated to Hecate, and work with her and her current. As the head of that current, she does not get 'jealous' for me working with other Gods, Goddesses, Spirits, Elementals etc that are accesses through her current and power.

I have a love for her, and dedicate a weekly time (at worst!) where I lay out offerings etc to her and the other witch gods.. a bit of dedication goes along way. If your not at a stage where you would enjoy such intimacy, i'd not go ahead. Otherwise, leap in and reap the benefits, and rewards, but prepare to have some responsibilities that cant be shirked because you are not in the mood some days.