The Link Between Mental Illness and the Occult

[MrChiLambda]

It is known that mental illness is rising various places, mostly urban centers and co-incidentally, epidemiologists are clueless when attempting satisfactorily answering the paradigm.

It is known we are living in the information age, and now unlike any other time in history, people are gaining access to information which succeeds previous generations.

So, while remaining ambiguous, does anyone feel things are getting out of hand, especially with the rise of murder rates and missing peoples?

Yes, I sound as a Dick Tracy does.

[Desecrated]

Your title has nothing to do with your text. So I'll just address the text.

There is a sudden spike in murders in America, but internationally crime has been going down steadily since the 70's. Economy is up, people are less poor and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm5xF-UYgdg

[MrChiLambda]

Schitzophrenia.

[Rin]

If there is a demonstrable rise in mental illness, I'd imagine it has much more to do with the unnatural lifestyle we live, the damage we've done to the environment we live in and the artificial additives we add to the food we live off, than it does to an increase in access to information about occult practices.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised at some statistical correlation between occult/spiritual practice and what would qualify according to modern psychiatry as mental illness of one kind or another, some of it being a direct correlation, although I'm not sure of the degree of causal connection, and some of it being the vast gap between the worldview projected by modern science and the worldview projected by various mystical philosophies.

[Desecrated]

If there is a demonstrable rise in mental illness, I'd imagine it has much more to do with the unnatural lifestyle we live, the damage we've done to the environment we live in and the artificial additives we add to the food we live off.

There is also an increase in diagnostics. People who back in the 90's was "bad at school" today have some sort of diagnose. People who back in the 80's was stupid now have a diagnose. There was probably tons of people running around back in the 60's-70's with adhd, add, damp, dyslexia, ocd, gad and all sorts of problem and it was perfectly fine because most of us worked at a factory, and most of it was just moving things around from one place to the other, and then you'd come back the next day and do it all over.

And any sort of slow/ retarded/mentally handicapped now have some sort of diagnose.
Very often they also have the companion drugs and therapy method to go with it.

It is also getting increasingly ridiculous in that way that now many fat, lazy and boring people are also being diagnosed.

Hell, depression is now a sickness?
I'm sorry, but a little bit of existential dredge is to be expected of life. If you feel like you don't want to get up in the morning you are not depressed, you are alive.
Borderline is defined as "instability of interpersonal relationships, instable self-image, rapidly changing mood and impulsive behaviour."
Back in my days we called this a woman.

[MrChiLambda]

Hell, depression is now a sickness?
I'm sorry, but a little bit of existential dredge is to be expected of life. If you feel like you don't want to get up in the morning you are not depressed, you are alive.

I think most people prefer the depression rather than the mental illness.

As far as the Occult goes, I think you are right, people do bad in school, and I personally think the teachers are to blame. They are either over the top boring, or fascist pieces of shit. [wink]

Truth is, I hate the teachers. The temps, the permanents, and every one in between. I guess I got a bad deal in school.

What do you think about the rise in anti-psychotic use? Seems as if everyone is on them these days.

My guess is they are in the food you eat, the air you breathe, and everything else in between.

Human brains rarely make it past 90 these days. Enjoy.

[Desecrated]

What do you think about the rise in anti-psychotic use? Seems as if everyone is on them these days.

My guess is they are in the food you eat, the air you breathe, and everything else in between.

It might be worth pointing out that there is no evidence for the government secretly adding medicine to the water, food or air to control us.

We have luckily come out of a medication bubble. Back in the 2000's doctors gave you SSRI (anti anxiety) for almost anything. Sometimes in pretty high doses and for ridiculous reasons.
Now, however they have started to use this less and less. Cognitive behavior therapy and light form of SSRI or antihistamines are used instead, but in many countries and unfortunately many doctors still describe heavy medication from one meeting with the patient.

[Shinichi]

For the record, occult study and practice can both help and worsen psychological sickness depending on exactly what is being done and how. I used basic relaxation meditation and the Soul Mirror style Personal Development that Bardon taught to cure myself of several things, including social anxiety, depression, and "ADHD." Meanwhile, someone who has schizophrenia probably shouldn't jump into practices like channeling, clairvoyance development, or even certain forms of basic meditation, as such things are known to worsen that kind of illness.

I certainly don't think that the rise of occult study and practice is responsible for the increased diagnosis of various psychological issues. Correlation is not causation.

Human brains rarely make it past 90 these days. Enjoy.

Yes, because the days when the human lifespan was 45 or less were much better.



~:Shin:~

[minervajane]

The occult has been good for me in helping with depression. I agree that it all depends on the person and application, tho. It can give your power back and make you stronger both mentally and physically if used correctly.
The information age has brought a lot of things to light, such as human traffikking, child abuse, poisons in food, etc. Can't get enough information. Has the mu
I think the antipsychotics are a huge money scam by the pharmaceuticals. They might work for a while and help for a while, but they aren't a cure and therefor not a good answer.
There may not be any evidence that they aren't poisoning our air or water, but that doesn't mean they aren't. I know they have in the past and think they would now if it served their purposes. After reading Jim Keith's Biowarfare, I wouldn't be surprised by anything...
A quick glance at the murder rate statistics looks like the rate has gone down in the US:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

[Draco20]

I think the antipsychotics are a huge money scam by the pharmaceuticals. They might work for a while and help for a while, but they aren't a cure and therefor not a good answer.

Antipsychotics should be as a last resort. They are not a 'money scam' but they are indeed easily prescribed and often without looking at more holistic and natural approaches first. In the case of depression, I think a good alternative should be a mindfulness-based cognitive therapy. Scientific research suggest mindfulness meditation can lower the risk of future clinical depression, being as good as pills.

But a close relative of mine suffers from schizofrenia and without antipsychotics his life would be a mess. So there are cases where they can actually improve one's life even if they are not without side-effects. We should be critical of medical science but not dismissive.

[minervajane]

Agreed, Phoenix. Sometimes they are the lesser of the evils....and I was thinking of the psychotropics used for depression...not psychosis (that's what I get for doing too many things at once) It just bothers me that they are so widely distributed. They would have had me on 3 different ones concurrently if I had listened. They are making a killing by prescribing them to so many people, many who do not truly need them. They make customers for life.

[Nahemah]

There is also an increase in diagnostics. People who back in the 90's was "bad at school" today have some sort of diagnose. People who back in the 80's was stupid now have a diagnose. There was probably tons of people running around back in the 60's-70's with adhd, add, damp, dyslexia, ocd, gad and all sorts of problem and it was perfectly fine because most of us worked at a factory, and most of it was just moving things around from one place to the other, and then you'd come back the next day and do it all over.

And any sort of slow/ retarded/mentally handicapped now have some sort of diagnose.
Very often they also have the companion drugs and therapy method to go with it.

It is also getting increasingly ridiculous in that way that now many fat, lazy and boring people are also being diagnosed.

Hell, depression is now a sickness?
I'm sorry, but a little bit of existential dredge is to be expected of life. If you feel like you don't want to get up in the morning you are not depressed, you are alive.
Borderline is defined as "instability of interpersonal relationships, instable self-image, rapidly changing mood and impulsive behaviour."
Back in my days we called this a woman.

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[Draco20]

And any sort of slow/ retarded/mentally handicapped now have some sort of diagnose.
Very often they also have the companion drugs and therapy method to go with it.

And why wouldn't they? As their conditions are being better understood by science, I am not against making life easier for them.

It is also getting increasingly ridiculous in that way that now many fat, lazy and boring people are also being diagnosed.

I think you are making a hasty generalization here. Sure, there are people that are misdiagnosed. As to how much I need more data.

But 40 years ago a guy withdrawing from society, not going to work and fullfilling his responsabilities would've been considered ''lazy'', today we know for a fact that mental disorders can actually lead to such a condition. We don't need to dwell in stereotypes anymore.

Hell, depression is now a sickness?
I'm sorry, but a little bit of existential dredge is to be expected of life. If you feel like you don't want to get up in the morning you are not depressed, you are alive.

Depression can be crippling in one's life. It's a serious mental health issue. A person can struggle with it for a long time, even commit suicide if left unchecked. The pathology is much more complex than you're suggesting - but maybe you are clueless about what it means.

It seems you are confusing (major) depression with having the blues.

[Nahemah]

In regard to gender bias in mental health diagnoses, especially concerning BPD, I particularly recommend these pieces of light reading:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115767/

http://www.borderline-personality-disor ... fferences/

While it is true that there are differences in symptomatic expressions between the genders, BPD is equally prevalent across the spectrum.

I can provide other relevant / current information on this, or any of the other characterisations made in this thread, if necessary also.

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[Rin]

Well that went downhill quick.

[Nahemah]

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[Desecrated]

I think the antipsychotics are a huge money scam by the pharmaceuticals.

This argument has one big flaw. We have 27 countries that has free healthcare and their doctors also prescribe medicine.

[Desecrated]

And any sort of slow/ retarded/mentally handicapped now have some sort of diagnose.
Very often they also have the companion drugs and therapy method to go with it.

And why wouldn't they? As their conditions are being better understood by science, I am not against making life easier for them.

Yes, people who have a genuine condition should get the help they deserve. I had a guy in my college class that was dyslexic and got the approval from the state to get one of the first computers with word processing programs on it, But the school refused out of budget reasons. This became a pretty big battle that took almost 2 years to get through. Mikael is now the chairman of the dyslexic support group.
BUT, there are also a lot of kids who simply didn't enjoy reading. They thought it was a waste of time, it was boring and had they not gone to school, they would have never opened a book.
These kids are today diagnosed with dyslexia and learning disorders and are put on some pretty heavy medication. I don't believe that all of the people who are diagnosed are really sick.
And I don't feel that that opinion is derogatory towards people who are sick either-

It is also getting increasingly ridiculous in that way that now many fat, lazy and boring people are also being diagnosed.

I think you are making a hasty generalization here. Sure, there are people that are misdiagnosed. As to how much I need more data.

But 40 years ago a guy withdrawing from society, not going to work and fullfilling his responsabilities would've been considered ''lazy'', today we know for a fact that mental disorders can actually lead to such a condition. We don't need to dwell in stereotypes anymore.
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Apparently I can't call a fat person "fat", because that is a violation towards to forum rules. I don't know if I can comment on being lazy either, someone might get upset. But I think there is a differences between social anxiety, aspergers and being lazy.
I absolutely refuse to believe that every negative character trait is an actual psychological disorder.

Hell, depression is now a sickness?
I'm sorry, but a little bit of existential dredge is to be expected of life. If you feel like you don't want to get up in the morning you are not depressed, you are alive.

Depression can be crippling in one's life. It's a serious mental health issue. A person can struggle with it for a long time, even commit suicide if left unchecked. The pathology is much more complex than you're suggesting - but maybe you are clueless about what it means.

It seems you are confusing (major) depression with having the blues.[/quote]

My point is that the doctors are making this mistake. People who are merely having the blues are put on SSRI (Prozac and such) when thy really need a hug and some support. Not medical treatment.

[Draco20]

I think the link between mental illness and the occult is simply that unstable individuals are often drawn to mysterious subjects such as the paranormal, supernatural, magickal thinking ect. in a distorted and incoherent sort of way.

The same link could be made with religion to some extent. Religious delusion is actually a common occurance in psychotic patients.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Religious ... 20Sims.pdf

[Nahemah]

There is also an increase in diagnostics. People who back in the 90's was "bad at school" today have some sort of diagnose. People who back in the 80's was stupid now have a diagnose. There was probably tons of people running around back in the 60's-70's with adhd, add, damp, dyslexia, ocd, gad and all sorts of problem and it was perfectly fine because most of us worked at a factory, and most of it was just moving things around from one place to the other, and then you'd come back the next day and do it all over.

And any sort of slow/ retarded/mentally handicapped now have some sort of diagnose.
Very often they also have the companion drugs and therapy method to go with it.

It is also getting increasingly ridiculous in that way that now many fat, lazy and boring people are also being diagnosed.

Hell, depression is now a sickness?

@Desecrated:

The whole post is problematic for the obvious reasons, already laid out for you.

Your attitude towards mental health issues, as expressed above and more, is simply unnaceptable to us at this forum and the terms and conditions for forum posting clearly explain why.

As to this:

Apparently I can't call a fat person "fat", because that is a violation towards to forum rules. I don't know if I can comment on being lazy either, someone might get upset. But I think there is a differences between social anxiety, aspergers and being lazy.
I absolutely refuse to believe that every negative character trait is an actual psychological disorder

See above again.

And, obvious though it is, by your own hand, you did not 'call a fat person fat, or a lazy person lazy, you cast aspersions on people with mental health issues, by claiming many to be 'fat' and. or' lazy' instead of having genuine issues.

The rest of the post, among other similar denigrations, insults learning difficulties and other genuine issues, by calling people 'slow' 'retarded' and 'mentally handicapped' also.

And yes, Hell, depression is a real condition.

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[MrChiLambda]

It might be worth pointing out that there is no evidence for the government secretly adding medicine to the water, food or air to control us.

There is no secret in the poisons we ingest, we are all totally aware of these things. Mind you the cranial capacity of the human has shrunk considerably over the years.

[MrChiLambda]

Yes, because the days when the human lifespan was 45 or less were much better.

The upper class greek routinely made it into thier 80s or more, and the biblical accounts of people speak of others reaching much farther into old age. It goes beyond the bible and into many different cultures. the theory that calendars and time keeping were different is sometimes nowhere near enough as an explanation.


Anyways, the jist of things are, someone I know has a bad case of possession happening and they need things to stop, as I am beginning to think they are venturing into the possibility of killing those who they are aware are responsible with the possession.

They've gotten seizures for months on end, they are plagued with voices, and the worst thing is they both deny responsibility as to what they are doing, as if it is a big game with them, when clearly they are both responsible for bringing this person to near death on several occasions.

As far as my friend is aware, one is fully responsible for sending them into a psyche ward at least once, and the other is responsible for one severe seizure event. As for all the events, it is difficult to split responsibility between them.

They are nearly committed to venturing to both thier physical homes, probably wandering hours on end to locate the specific addresses and do what they can to ensure that the etheral plane which they are basically helpless in, is resolved through physical real world contact.

What can they do besides reducing themselves into a blithering idiot on anti-psychotics.

At this point they've begun eating anti-psychotics and they can't even tell whether it was thier choice to do so or if they were possessed at the time.

[magari]

I blame our failure as a society to properly develope the youth.

A grown child is a liability to any community .

[Rin]

I blame our failure as a society to properly develope the youth.

A grown child is a liability to any community .

This is certainly a factor, although I think it also ties into the wider social and environmental issues I talked about earlier. There's certainly a growing epidemic of young people who feel that the modern Western lifestyle is boring and pointless (many of whom are quite possibly incapable of functioning in said society anyway), which tends to result in either a descent into extreme hedonism in an attempt to blot it out, dropping out entirely in the form of doing the absolute minimum the stay alive and otherwise devoting their time to engaging but meaningless pursuits (the "basement dweller" type, dedicated to immersing themselves in online interaction and fictional pursuits entirely - which eg. has actually become a serious social problem in Japan with so many youth, especially young men, simply having no desire to follow the study > work > marry > reproduce > support family > die life path), attempting to find meaning in various "causes" (of varying degrees of validity) or submersion into various subcultures which the individual dedicates themselves to ardently.

You could debate over whether these individuals are "sick" or have a "disorder," but society as a whole definitely seems to suffering some kind of wider dysfunction.

[magari]

I blame our failure as a society to properly develope the youth.

A grown child is a liability to any community .

This is certainly a factor, although I think it also ties into the wider social and environmental issues I talked about earlier. There's certainly a growing epidemic of young people who feel that the modern Western lifestyle is boring and pointless (many of whom are quite possibly incapable of functioning in said society anyway), which tends to result in either a descent into extreme hedonism in an attempt to blot it out, dropping out entirely in the form of doing the absolute minimum the stay alive and otherwise devoting their time to engaging but meaningless pursuits (the "basement dweller" type, dedicated to immersing themselves in online interaction and fictional pursuits entirely - which eg. has actually become a serious social problem in Japan with so many youth, especially young men, simply having no desire to follow the study > work > marry > reproduce > support family > die life path), attempting to find meaning in various "causes" (of varying degrees of validity) or submersion into various subcultures which the individual dedicates themselves to ardently.

You could debate over whether these individuals are "sick" or have a "disorder," but society as a whole definitely seems to suffering some kind of wider dysfunction.

I see our failure to empower our youth to develop happening sometime around the rise of the eastern trading companies, the establishment of the first stock market, and the church's acceptance of usury.

What we are experiencing is the snowballed effect of grown children ruling the world.

Grown children are dysfunctional. They will create a dysfunctional society and a dysfunctional world. They will lead by example and you can watch the masses follow.

However, I also see a trend that is seeking to balance this dysfunction. My faith is strong. Humanity always finds a way. Our children are not hopeless and Desecrated linked a very valuable video that demonstrates this balancing. With populations booming we are actually experiencing more prosperity and less poverty and disease than ever before.

Here is a video I saw which introduced me to Hans Rosling

So while we don't live in a perfect world. Humanity is a flower thats seeking the light. We continue to evolve and become a more efficient, healthy creature overall.

Its the conspiracy theorists that would have you not partake in the glory of our species.

The video above is a great example of what I call "Conscious Capitalism" at work.

I dare you to refute these statistics. Simply stating the world bank is not a trustworthy organization is not good enough. Simply take a look at the diversity and intelligence of the talent they employ. These people are not "Evil".