Cybernetic_Jazz wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 3:39 pm
...Josephine McCarthy explain the energy flow in terms of electrical wiring much in the way you did above and TBH - things like this I have some intimate experience with but I still often feel like what I have is a lot of largely either non-repeatable discoveries or only kinda-sorta repeatable...
Any correlation, even if unreliable, is exciting. Granted we have to be mindful of an accurate sense of probability and statistics. I mean, coincidences are actually common, given the sheer quantity of "stuff" which happens. But where coincidences seem excessive, above and beyond having an accurate filter allowing that 'some' coincidences are random... then that correlation has potential value.
An example of unrealized potential value (for me) would be something like guessing at dice rolls. I can beat the odds more often than not. Whether that's precognitive or microtelekinesis, I don't know. But there's an aberration in the math, and that's of interest. Broader studies have shown that if you have large numbers of people guess at dice rolls, the species in general "slightly" beats the odds. And further, that if you then test only those who have beaten the odds, you can basically disprove 'lucky chance', because that group (on the whole) will consistently perform better than the general populace. So I feel strongly that there is a valuable insight to be had on that front. But I have not been able to sort out the nuts & bolts of it, and leverage that towards any significant change in the degree of statistical aberration I achieve in dice guessing.
Something is going on there, but I don't have any models which allow for any form of meaningful utility, or meaningful engagement with the underlying principals. The only headway I made on that topic is that attempting to manufacture a pre-determined (in the testing sense) outcome, is that there needs to be a chaotic system of sufficient complexity. Or put another way, "the higher the dice flies, the better". I "suspect" this may touch on the role of cognition in quantum mechanics, but it's hard to say.
Then there's other areas where noticing and investigating statistical aberrations proved far more fruitful.
But I wouldn't say "only" limited success. Since any success at all is very interesting.
With dissociative psychedelics (relatively high dose DXM in this case) I've had things as strange as a field of touch at a foot to eighteen inch 'aura' where I could feel things come and go from that sphere, and as it wore down I felt that field lapping at my skin until it was back inside me. I also got to feel my consciousness present in something like a straight line of wires as if Kether or Thaumiel were behind me and the front of my body were Malkuth or Lilith, I took this to be representation of some other dimension that I was creating a spatial analogy for and it made me ask Everett type questions, such s the possibility of particles being cross-sections of waveforms across dimensions and maybe I was becoming aware of the slice I was experiencing. As for entity contacts - it's the same for me where I try less to worry about whether they're literally real in the uncaused by me, not of me, and coming to chat sense because I also try to only engage them if I feel like we can do useful things, and if we can do useful things the useful things get done (mostly talking internal transformation or avoiding letting outside world events degrade the quality of my consciousness). I have had experiences of waking up in the middle of the night and being skin-to-skin with entities which were either like static electricity or even, if they were high-powered, in my mind's eye they'd be like human-shaped sparklers and that energy in that case was pure love even if was occasionally, in addition, rather seductive. I get the sense that those entities are clearly 'something real' but I'm debating how I can more adequately sort out the differences between something like a DMT or dream character coming into waking life or, most often, liminal space such as waking up at 2:00 - 3:00 AM with a presence, versus something that I can tell is well beyond that. The discovery that DMT / dream characters and elements can come up above the surface in novel circumstances is part of what has me worried - ie. that it's explainable in sort of common, sort of uncommon, ways but I still don't know the possibilities of said entities.
I haven't done any investigating of psychedelics. I don't doubt they have potential value. But usually I see them used in a very halfhazard way. My suspicion is that by confusing the senses, they allow interaction with senses which people largely ignore in their normal frame of mind. Albeit in a rather chaotic fashion. I tend to think that it would be 'difficult' to develop a meaningfully useful relationship with such senses while in that state of mind though. In other words, people come down, say "wow that was weird", and perhaps understand that something profound was touched upon. But don't know how to meaningfully engage with what they've gleaned, unless they drop again. The chaos which allows access to the sensations, also inhibits meaningful interpretation.
That's not to say that I think it isn't useful. I think it could be. But personally I'm just more focused on tinkering with states of consciousness in a more deliberate way. Also I'm a bit wary of having any after-effects intruding into what is otherwise a very clean-slate and careful observation of extra sensory content. Also I'm just not really convinced I need DMT or similar, to engage with the unseen.
I've experienced a LOT of entity interaction and/or perception. Wide ranging. Even from childhood. From the sensation of egregore-like flows in church, to experiences like sleep paralysis, without the paralysis part. Also, in learning the 'extra layers' of co-cogitation between humans, there's plenty of 'other' data, or signal noise. Which I came to regard as deriving from disembodied sentiences, which are present sometimes. Whether or not that's an accurate model 'shrug". But delineating it that way allows for much more accurate filtering out of signal noise, which greatly improves the clarity of sensation of other people. As well as much more meaningful interaction with the signal noise, which I ascribe to being disembodied sentiences.
You mention 'touch' with very strong sensations, around certain entities. Personally when I was experiencing social anxiety, I felt that way about the touch of other people as well. Actually I'd characterize my social anxiety as really being just wildly uncontrolled empathy or sensitivity to energy flows. The turnkey for me getting a handle on social anxiety was very literally just the gradual process of refining my sensation of energy/empathy, and gaining meaningful control over it. Fast forward some years, and that social anxiety had morphed into something like a sense of social power & control to a somewhat frightening degree. I overshot the mark of normalcy on both sides
I've also had kundalini syndrome for a long time where I quite often have felt the warmth at the base of my spine, often enough I've felt it do more if it can get charged up, really more than anything I'd like to alchemically MMORPG-hack my own capabilities with that better but I also get the impression that such accretions are slow enough that it's not likely for me to see instant results, realize I hit the right path, and keep running with it.
Though I lean fairly eastern in concept and practice, I don't really find the popular chakra models to do much for me. Mind you there are 'many' models for chakras & energy flows in the body. Modern society seems to have settled on just a few very similar models, but there are many, and they don't all overlap or agree with each other. I mean just look at the ritual significance of seppuku for an example. I rather like the 3-chakra model in tai chi. It's more simplistic and less dogmatically presented. Although i'd slightly adjust the positions.
I consider myself to fall ideologically, and in practice, under a broad "umbrella" interpretation of Tantra. To some I'd be quite a heretical tantrika, but in a broad sense i'm in that sphere. I have no particular notice of any 'root' chakra at the base of the spine, groin, etc. Rather I see the point at which I am glued to my body as being in the solar plexus area. Which is much more similar to the uh... "spiritual anatomy" concepts of shinto, where seppuku was invented (though I don't advocate seppuku).
With raising of the kundalini, I get "the stuff", the experience, the sensation, in some cases almost frighteningly powerfully. But I have no idea what the vedics are on about with the base of the spine. I guess I'm shinto-tantrik, with daoist sprinkles, and a big fan of thelema and chaos magic (though not necessarily in the same format as is popular). But it's not surprising to me that I don't find my experiences fitting neatly into any popular model. Most learn the cosmology, and then interpret their experiences into the presented model. I do it the other way around, explore the experiences, and then find models which might be inform the experiences. Also I'm rather devoutly anti-dogma (which is good science, i think
There's a lot of uh 'spiritual mechanics' which i just interpretively translate into popular models. Like "grounding", it makes sense, anchoring to the ground is a great metaphor for it. But REALLY when i do 'that', it's more reaching out from the crown & shoulder blades to latch onto the fabric of reality in a way which is agnostic to directions like up & down, or any earthen matter.
I rarely talk about this, because it tends to inspire people to 'illuminate me in the errors of my perceptions'. And while I try to invite constructive criticism, not just ideologically, but in a true and genuine appreciation of the knowledge of others, there's a cutoff somewhere around the 500th time I've heard it, where it's no longer interesting or helpful, hehe. I don't adhere to the dogmas of popular cosmologies. I don't particularly think 'everyone is shaped the same on the inside', and I'd dispute the idea even that there is a 'normal' spiritual anatomy.
So uh, super long winded there (sorry), but the point was, that even though I'm very much the eastern/vedic sort, I'm kinda having to translate what you said into my native concepts of spiritual anatomy
If I understand correctly though, you're raising kundalini-esque energy to effect magic, shaped by Will, etc. If that's the case, then crucial elements (in my view) would be sheer quantity of energy in question, the single-mindedness of the Will in question, sensitivity to the energy so that there is sensation of what one is doing, and practiced efficacy in handling energy.
When wielding energy, I find that internal energies are highly cooperative. But external energies can be larger in scale.
You can wield external energy, though there's a sort of balance between "how much", and the degree of finite control. Like holding a tool, it can be tricky to have great control & finesse with something really large. I spent years improving the uh 'muscles' of wielding energy. To allow for greater heavy lifting of energy, and finer levels of control at a given scale. But in the past decade or so, I've kinda shifted approaches. I'd more describe my current approach as shifting the mental state such that the lines between 'internal' and 'external' energy are more blurred. Kinda leveraging the tantrik equivalent of HGA stuff to make 'internal' and 'external' a lot less well defined. With relatively 'big' changes in the scale of energy one can handle, and the sense of control over the energy. The new limiting dichotomy becomes that the highest self is pretty scant on Will, so there's a sweet spot between finite self and non-finite self where there's still lots of Will, and also lots of energy in play. Kinda like the old scale/control issue, just an order of magnitude (or two) broader in scope. And the 'trick' to doing really potent energy wielding is just pushing Will and non-finite-self both to a more elevated state, in a way which would seem contraindicated by the irrational relationship between the two. Which in turn relates to an ideology I hold, that individual Will and non-finite-self are only superficially apposing forces.
There's also the 'how', i mean the 'what' you do with the energy. How is it imbued, purposed, etc. Does that have good leverage on the desired goal? Is it a 'shot in the dark' of releasing intent into the world? Or more particularly aimed & directed? Kinda relates to the idea of "work smarter, not harder" (even if being buff certainly doesn't hurt
). This goes back to perception of energy, and even perception of the situation itself on a mundane level. Where 'exactly' would just an ounce of force have a dramatic effect? That's where the really detailed control over personal energy shines.
So instead of sending energy out "apposed to obstacle XYZ", perhaps "the upper right branch of Y seems to be a crucial element of the broader XYZ problem, so lets target specifically that branch of the Y with this energy".
In a similar vein, if the aid of an entity is solicited, what 'exactly' would the entity do? When I interact with entities, I almost never say "could I have a fish". I'm more inclined to say "what is that curved piece of metal at the end of that string? how does that work? Why does the fish put it's mouth on it? How do you know when it's time to pull the string?". In some cases asking such questions rhetorically to myself about what an entity is doing even in a confrontational situation.
What I do strongly agree with you on as well - it seems like this bears out in both energy work in magical contexts and miraculous NDE healings, it seems like what hits is a mass influx of energy, and I take Michael Levin's recent research on bioelectric templates in the body as a kind of software layer above the genes where the ion channels share information and where really your body does quite often have the intelligence to solve its own problems but it takes energy to do that and the miracle is when enough energy pours in to get that job done right.
I suck at healing
Not "inept" at it, but definitely not my strong suit. Have some first hand experience with 'faith healing'. Best I can describe it is to channel energy which is a certain way, to the certain spot. And then hope that the body does something helpful with it. Can't really deliberately (and with detail & control) guide the energy down to molecular level effects. Seems much easier to heal the self though. Like Will shaping energy which effects one's own body. So there may be something to the idea of targeting the psyche of an injured person as much as their injury itself. To get their Will to hone in on their problem, and enforce a kind of blueprint of health onto their energy. And then supply a lot of energy towards that. Interestingly, I find that healing energy feels remarkably similar to the emotive energy of 'love'.
I dunno. I have a lot to learn on that front.
One of the best ways I can describe where I'm at right now - if my life and psychic space could be analogized to a house - I got hit with two two-year hurricanes and a lot of damage was done. Right now I'm maybe a year out of that storm and I'm still cleaning up broken glass.
any landing you can walk away from...
The good news is I have a couple grams of a few different 4-base tryptamines. I decided to make these orange-cinnamon-cayenne chocolate bombs (dark chocolate with medicinal ganache where I put a gram of lion's mane in all of them but I also tried adding 20 mg 4-ho-met to one of them to test and see if that works. Went pretty well, and also I'm really liking the combination of psychedelics and lion's mane for recovery, and it's a good ways toward a Stamets stack (he'd include niacin but I want the experience, particularly if I'm taking much lower doses more often (5mg maybe) to speak for itself.
Outside my experience field
With the co-cognition bit you said above there was something I found really interesting, and it could explain a lot. While it's true that I'm a competent and functioning adult I do find that there are some youthful modes and reflexes in me and I've heard from other people that they get crap for it themselves, and quite often when it's been older people (or particularly insecure and competitive older men) it's been what you described as them bringing their internalized stern or even abusive parent down on me - not for rational reasons but on 'feeling' and intuitions. I'm getting to where I have to understand that other people really aren't reliably in control of themselves, it's past their cognitive capabilities, it's really annoying to think that I need to make quite arbitrary changes to myself to stay out of the firing line but - WTF can I do otherwise, if it's not really a choice then there's not a lot I can do about it.
The 'normal' condition of homosapiens is to be broadly unaware of the forces which shape their interactions with others. To be broadly ignorant of what influences their thinking (both from within and from without). And to be broadly unaware of the underlying emotions and thought processes which shape their behavior. Not to mention broadly unaware of their effect on others.
People behave "unmindfully", and are often belligerent. And they're radically susceptible to influence.
The latter can be used to mitigate the former.
I think it's unhealthy to overtly manipulate the psyche of others. But sometimes it's either that or outright conflict. And I'm not such a pacifist that I'd avoid bruising the free will of someone who means me harm. It's just unhealthy (on multiple levels) to gather up peoples' strings and think of them as puppets. But my mentor says i am TOO cautious in that regard, for whatever that's worth. But that's coming from a being which radiates a deific radiance which could easily mind-scramble someone with a weak sense of self
The off-grid and farming bit you mentioned sounds interesting as well. I do have a pipe-dream and it really depends how well my investments work out. Part of me really wants to start a local vertical farm (the sort of indoor, 15 levels of plants growing either hydroponic or aquaponic with LED's all around, ideally no pesticides needed) and I'm still not sure whether I'll be able to have the money by the time that both LED's and solar get cheap enough to run these places cost effectively AND big corporate projects haven't moved into my area already. I'm a programmer, I enjoy solving bottlenecks, and that sort of science that has immediate gratification if you find the right way to massively reduce the cost of power, tweaking the environmental ratios, etc., having all kinds of SQL data on plant progress, that's the sort of thing I could see myself enjoying.
Sounds more elaborate than what I was thinking. But I like it!
I was just thinking "How do I avoid killing potato plants, beehives, & chickens. And what could I do to improve quality of life with natural resources and a presumed limitation of future store-bought items." Basically a crash course in amish technology
but with a flair for novel ideas like a solar forge.
But the idea of indoor farming has merit. Might want to stockpile deeply into replacement LED's though. What's the shelf life of an unused LED anyway? Hmmm, given the losses of solar panels, etc, you'd need a solar farm which is broader in area than the building in which you're growing. Perhaps clear poly siding & reflector panels? Or just a greenhouse