Original post: Chylde
[QUOTE=Lucian;306861]D'oh!
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I've always wondered if there would be an aspect of overcoming the targeted person's inherent will to live. Would it be the case that the magician's will must be stronger than that of his victim's? Would an experienced magician's will already have been strengthened though practice to the point that his victim's will matters very little? It must be a difficult undertaking, if it weren't people would be dropping left and right for inexplicable reasons... I also wonder could this be circumvented by "cursing" some inanimate object with no will of its own to bring about the demise of the target...? [/QUOTE][/INDENT]
So I take it that this is not something that requires a great deal of consideration?
Or was it just a retarded question?[/QUOTE]
Nope, not retarded... just got lost amongst the latest ego measuring contest. (Everyone feel free to substitute Freud's anatomical preoccupation for the word "ego".) :evil:
Long ago and far away, in a universe much like ours, the belief was that any serious effort to truly snuff out an "entity" would require multiple other "entities" acting in concert over a significant time interval. Without all the abstract language, you'll find that true destruction of anything is nigh impossible.
Even the effort to make someone's body cease to function is not trivial, unless the target is actively cooperating. If you've ever had to "kill" a creature, any creature, you'll have discovered it takes a lot more effort than is commonly held.
It is frequently easier to manipulate the surroundings, to distract while driving, to cause a companion of the target to make a mistake, or be inattentive at a crucial moment, than attempt a full on assault. Spells are an embodiment of intent, backed by will, becoming action. If you want someone dead, it's best to avoid pitting your will to kill against their will to survive, it's not fast, nor is it easy, and in general is a waste of your time. If you must kill, keep it within bounds of reasonable effort, make it quick, then you can move on.
Regardless of judgmental positioning of "right" or "wrong", it's always possible to be destructive. But you'd better have a clear idea of the long term consequences, and be willing to accept them. TANSTAAFL!
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Original post: hitman777
Well, Chylde, I'll agree with you to a point.
It's not always harder to kill something than it seems nonmagically. Do you hunt? If you shoot a buck just right, he'll drop, or try to take a step and fall over. Of course, screw up your shot (or if you're an idiot and shoot it in the head), it'll take off, or in the latter case, take off, but really goofy.
So if you bother to learn what you're doing beforehand, killing things isn't difficult.
Now, just apply this to magic!
Well, Chylde, I'll agree with you to a point.
It's not always harder to kill something than it seems nonmagically. Do you hunt? If you shoot a buck just right, he'll drop, or try to take a step and fall over. Of course, screw up your shot (or if you're an idiot and shoot it in the head), it'll take off, or in the latter case, take off, but really goofy.
So if you bother to learn what you're doing beforehand, killing things isn't difficult.
Now, just apply this to magic!
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Original post: Lucian
Do you mean more than one magician, or a magician acting with the aide of gods or daemons, or is it all the same?
On a purely energetic level, it would be impossible. I can't even imagine someone being so foolish as to spend a lot of effort trying to kill energy.:eh:
Heh, yeah - good luck with that.
Mmm - I had some thoughts along these lines this morning. You could influence their environment in such a way that it begins to effect their mental state and emotional well being, essentially wearing them down until they actually do start seeing death as a positive alternative, and THEN you could try killing them directly. It would be intimate, cruel, painful and slow. Torture, essentially. Obviously the target would be someone you really, really, reeeaaallly dislike.
I like the idea of influencing their environment in such a way that the world becomes a death trap (more than it already is) that's going to catch the target sooner rather than later. The world is full of things ready and eager to kill us.
Chylde wrote:Nope, not retarded... just got lost amongst the latest ego measuring contest. (Everyone feel free to substitute Freud's anatomical preoccupation for the word "ego".) :evil:
Long ago and far away, in a universe much like ours, the belief was that any serious effort to truly snuff out an "entity" would require multiple other "entities" acting in concert over a significant time interval. Without all the abstract language, you'll find that true destruction of anything is nigh impossible.
Do you mean more than one magician, or a magician acting with the aide of gods or daemons, or is it all the same?
On a purely energetic level, it would be impossible. I can't even imagine someone being so foolish as to spend a lot of effort trying to kill energy.:eh:
Heh, yeah - good luck with that.
Good - someone else that gets what I was trying to say.Even the effort to make someone's body cease to function is not trivial, unless the target is actively cooperating. If you've ever had to "kill" a creature, any creature, you'll have discovered it takes a lot more effort than is commonly held.
It is frequently easier to manipulate the surroundings, to distract while driving, to cause a companion of the target to make a mistake, or be inattentive at a crucial moment, than attempt a full on assault. Spells are an embodiment of intent, backed by will, becoming action. If you want someone dead, it's best to avoid pitting your will to kill against their will to survive, it's not fast, nor is it easy, and in general is a waste of your time. If you must kill, keep it within bounds of reasonable effort, make it quick, then you can move on.
Mmm - I had some thoughts along these lines this morning. You could influence their environment in such a way that it begins to effect their mental state and emotional well being, essentially wearing them down until they actually do start seeing death as a positive alternative, and THEN you could try killing them directly. It would be intimate, cruel, painful and slow. Torture, essentially. Obviously the target would be someone you really, really, reeeaaallly dislike.
I like the idea of influencing their environment in such a way that the world becomes a death trap (more than it already is) that's going to catch the target sooner rather than later. The world is full of things ready and eager to kill us.
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Original post: Lucian
Okay, well, continuing to use the analogy of magic as bullet/gun, here is my quandary:
Human beings are born with Kevlar body armor, which is normally reinforced by that person's continued existence. When I turned 21, my mother told me," Congratulations - your chances of survival are increasing."
So most people are walking around with body armor ala The Dark Knight, or stronger. If you want to punch through that armor directly, by sheer force, you're going to need a f*cking bad ass gun.
Like an Oren Ishii on the rooftops with a gun as big as she is kind of bad ass gun.
But those kinds of guns are hard to come by. If they weren't every proto-Satanic gothy bat would be running around malls and church parking lots with guns the length of their bodies. This isn't happening because bad ass guns like Oren's are expensive and can only be bought from certain places most people don't have access to.
I'm not rich enough and I don't have the connections needed to be able to buy that bad ass gun. Maybe someday.
But my target is here, today, walking down the street in his Bat suit. I could shoot him a few times with my modest hand gun, and he might notice and get pissed off. Or I could look around, use that stray puppy dog and make it start across the street in front of the old beat up car coming down the road, which swerves out of control to avoid the puppy dog and pins Batman against the building that was secretly hoping to have a human stain that day.
I haven't got a sweet gun like Oren. I can't get through cosmic Kevlar directly. But together with my team - a stray dog, an old car, and a building, none of which have strong wills if any at all - we've made short work of the Bat suit. Mission accomplished.
That being said, if anyone knows where I can get a f*cking bad ass gun like Oren's, please pm me. That thing owns.
PS - To the person on the other tab with the website that simply said "Life sucks on Ice" and then closed my web browser before I was done posting: EAT SH*T AND DIE.
hitman777 wrote:Well, Chylde, I'll agree with you to a point.
It's not always harder to kill something than it seems nonmagically. Do you hunt? If you shoot a buck just right, he'll drop, or try to take a step and fall over. Of course, screw up your shot (or if you're an idiot and shoot it in the head), it'll take off, or in the latter case, take off, but really goofy.
So if you bother to learn what you're doing beforehand, killing things isn't difficult.
Now, just apply this to magic!
Okay, well, continuing to use the analogy of magic as bullet/gun, here is my quandary:
Human beings are born with Kevlar body armor, which is normally reinforced by that person's continued existence. When I turned 21, my mother told me," Congratulations - your chances of survival are increasing."
So most people are walking around with body armor ala The Dark Knight, or stronger. If you want to punch through that armor directly, by sheer force, you're going to need a f*cking bad ass gun.
Like an Oren Ishii on the rooftops with a gun as big as she is kind of bad ass gun.
But those kinds of guns are hard to come by. If they weren't every proto-Satanic gothy bat would be running around malls and church parking lots with guns the length of their bodies. This isn't happening because bad ass guns like Oren's are expensive and can only be bought from certain places most people don't have access to.
I'm not rich enough and I don't have the connections needed to be able to buy that bad ass gun. Maybe someday.
But my target is here, today, walking down the street in his Bat suit. I could shoot him a few times with my modest hand gun, and he might notice and get pissed off. Or I could look around, use that stray puppy dog and make it start across the street in front of the old beat up car coming down the road, which swerves out of control to avoid the puppy dog and pins Batman against the building that was secretly hoping to have a human stain that day.
I haven't got a sweet gun like Oren. I can't get through cosmic Kevlar directly. But together with my team - a stray dog, an old car, and a building, none of which have strong wills if any at all - we've made short work of the Bat suit. Mission accomplished.
That being said, if anyone knows where I can get a f*cking bad ass gun like Oren's, please pm me. That thing owns.
PS - To the person on the other tab with the website that simply said "Life sucks on Ice" and then closed my web browser before I was done posting: EAT SH*T AND DIE.
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Original post: hitman777
That was very well put, Lucian, I like how you threw in about the aura and about how curses generally play out in terms of physical world manifestation. People seem to get their ideas on how they play out from bad movies most of the time.
"Ha ha, you cursed me, but a big demon didn't come beat me up, not even when I went to my granddad's funeral after he was brutally murdered by a random psycho right after you cursed me!"
That was very well put, Lucian, I like how you threw in about the aura and about how curses generally play out in terms of physical world manifestation. People seem to get their ideas on how they play out from bad movies most of the time.
"Ha ha, you cursed me, but a big demon didn't come beat me up, not even when I went to my granddad's funeral after he was brutally murdered by a random psycho right after you cursed me!"
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I admit I have never tried causing the death of someone, but theoritically it shouldn't be that difficult. In fact I would think it was easier than other sorts of magic. Death is something that happens every hour of every day frequently for different reasons in every location of the world. Furthermore it is something that will happen to every living person eventually. The only question is when and how. On the other hand going completey deaf is something that doesn't happen frequently at all and most people keep some sort of hearing throughout their lives. Also uncommon happenings are winning millions in the lottery or getting free starbucks coffee for a day. Since Magick is said to always take the path of least resistance I would assume that killing would be much easier to achieve via magick than getting free starbucks for a day or causing someone to go deaf.
I admit I have never tried causing the death of someone, but theoritically it shouldn't be that difficult. In fact I would think it was easier than other sorts of magic. Death is something that happens every hour of every day frequently for different reasons in every location of the world. Furthermore it is something that will happen to every living person eventually. The only question is when and how. On the other hand going completey deaf is something that doesn't happen frequently at all and most people keep some sort of hearing throughout their lives. Also uncommon happenings are winning millions in the lottery or getting free starbucks coffee for a day. Since Magick is said to always take the path of least resistance I would assume that killing would be much easier to achieve via magick than getting free starbucks for a day or causing someone to go deaf.
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Original post: Chylde
[QUOTE=Lucian;308557]Do you mean more than one magician, or a magician acting with the aide of gods or daemons, or is it all the same?
On a purely energetic level, it would be impossible. I can't even imagine someone being so foolish as to spend a lot of effort trying to kill energy.:eh:
Heh, yeah - good luck with that.
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Pretty much all the same. It would boil down to "the most committed wins" paradigm. If you truly wanted to kill someone in a straight up confrontation, you'd better have backup
And we agree, true destruction does not appear to be possible, only transformation.
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Good - someone else that gets what I was trying to say.
Mmm - I had some thoughts along these lines this morning. You could influence their environment in such a way that it begins to effect their mental state and emotional well being, essentially wearing them down until they actually do start seeing death as a positive alternative, and THEN you could try killing them directly. It would be intimate, cruel, painful and slow. Torture, essentially. Obviously the target would be someone you really, really, reeeaaallly dislike.
I like the idea of influencing their environment in such a way that the world becomes a death trap (more than it already is) that's going to catch the target sooner rather than later. The world is full of things ready and eager to kill us.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you could consider it an extension to something you suggested earlier in the thread:
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... a difficult undertaking, if it weren't people would be dropping left and right for inexplicable reasons... I also wonder could this be circumvented by "cursing" some inanimate object with no will of its own to bring about the demise of the target...?
My bf was reading a story to me last night in which there was a man capable of using his mind to make objects "want" whatever it was that they were made for. He made his fishing nets "want" fish, and so the fish were attracted to the nets. I suppose this is the idea behind any talisman or what have you, but I hadn't thought of it this way. A magician could make a car "want" to collide with another car, or something along those lines.
Hmmm. I don't know. Just pondering.[/QUOTE][/INDENT]
That concept of picking a target with less resistance, or at least less reason to fight back is essentially what I was suggesting about death spells.
[QUOTE=Lucian;308557]Do you mean more than one magician, or a magician acting with the aide of gods or daemons, or is it all the same?
On a purely energetic level, it would be impossible. I can't even imagine someone being so foolish as to spend a lot of effort trying to kill energy.:eh:
Heh, yeah - good luck with that.
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Pretty much all the same. It would boil down to "the most committed wins" paradigm. If you truly wanted to kill someone in a straight up confrontation, you'd better have backup
And we agree, true destruction does not appear to be possible, only transformation.
[QUOTE=Lucian;308557]
Good - someone else that gets what I was trying to say.
Mmm - I had some thoughts along these lines this morning. You could influence their environment in such a way that it begins to effect their mental state and emotional well being, essentially wearing them down until they actually do start seeing death as a positive alternative, and THEN you could try killing them directly. It would be intimate, cruel, painful and slow. Torture, essentially. Obviously the target would be someone you really, really, reeeaaallly dislike.
I like the idea of influencing their environment in such a way that the world becomes a death trap (more than it already is) that's going to catch the target sooner rather than later. The world is full of things ready and eager to kill us.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you could consider it an extension to something you suggested earlier in the thread:
[INDENT][QUOTE=Lucian;306282]
... a difficult undertaking, if it weren't people would be dropping left and right for inexplicable reasons... I also wonder could this be circumvented by "cursing" some inanimate object with no will of its own to bring about the demise of the target...?
My bf was reading a story to me last night in which there was a man capable of using his mind to make objects "want" whatever it was that they were made for. He made his fishing nets "want" fish, and so the fish were attracted to the nets. I suppose this is the idea behind any talisman or what have you, but I hadn't thought of it this way. A magician could make a car "want" to collide with another car, or something along those lines.
Hmmm. I don't know. Just pondering.[/QUOTE][/INDENT]
That concept of picking a target with less resistance, or at least less reason to fight back is essentially what I was suggesting about death spells.
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Original post: Chylde
[QUOTE=hitman777;308667]That was very well put, Lucian, I like how you threw in about the aura and about how curses generally play out in terms of physical world manifestation. People seem to get their ideas on how they play out from bad movies most of the time.
"Ha ha, you cursed me, but a big demon didn't come beat me up, not even when I went to my granddad's funeral after he was brutally murdered by a random psycho right after you cursed me!"[/QUOTE]
I agree!
Lucian! I wish to hire you as my resident translator! Should I plan my bankruptcy proceedings now? Or can you put me on some sort of sliding scale?
[QUOTE=hitman777;308667]That was very well put, Lucian, I like how you threw in about the aura and about how curses generally play out in terms of physical world manifestation. People seem to get their ideas on how they play out from bad movies most of the time.
"Ha ha, you cursed me, but a big demon didn't come beat me up, not even when I went to my granddad's funeral after he was brutally murdered by a random psycho right after you cursed me!"[/QUOTE]
I agree!
Lucian! I wish to hire you as my resident translator! Should I plan my bankruptcy proceedings now? Or can you put me on some sort of sliding scale?
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Original post: immensly
I want to share some recent happenings. I am aware that they are likely just coincidences, but I'll share them anyway.
At the beginning of this thread I had tried casting some spell workings to cause the death of an individual that was bothering me. I honestly did not expect it to work considering much of what has been said in this thread by more experienced practicioners. Well, it hasn't worked- the individual is still alive, but yesterday I recieved word that two of his friends that were in different locations died suddenly- one of drug overdose and the other of a heart attack within a short time of one another. I did not know these people personally.
Also, Two nights ago I had a very strange dream that I will share now as I never dreamt anything like it. I was wondering around a facility of some sort that seemed to be part mental hospital, part nice hotel. Throughout the dream random people kept coming up to me calling me "Chrystal" and trying to get me to go "back to bed". I ignored these people until I found myself in a kitchen and one of the chefs told me "Get out Chrystal. You are not welcome here. You better not hurt any of my staff" Feeling annoyed I finally decided to say something. "I am not this Chrystal everyone keeps thinking I am. That's not my name. Why does everyone think that I am this person?" The chef does not believe what I am saying, but after some exchange I am finally able to convince him. He quickly apologizes and says, "I'm so sorry for the mistake. It's just that you look SO much like Chrystal. You look exactly like her." He then tells me about this woman "Chrystal" who is the most notorious captive in the ward and a murderer. He says she is constantly trying to escape and somehow succeeds often. He agrees to take me to her. And I find myself in front of quarters that look kinda like jail cells. But instead of bars there is clear glass as a barrier and there are hospital beds in each cell. I am led in front of one cell where there is a woman lying on the floor but her arm is chained to the bed Those that are looking in on her are doing so from a distance and with fear. They tell me not to get too close, but I get right up to the glass anyway. I am surprised to see that Chrystal looks nothing like me. I am a brunette with long hair and brown eyes. What I saw was a woman with severely crossed blue eyes, short platinum blond hair and lips that looked monstrous... Like they were someone's else's lips that had literally been sewed onto her face. You could see the sloppy stiching and everything. I want to say something as I stare, but find myself speechless. Then she sharply asked who I was and what my problem was. I felt I should back away so I did. I turn around and suddenly hear an alarm and everyone is running around. In the seconds that I turned away Chrystal had escaped. One person came up to me and said I should check for my id's because I look so much like Chrystal that she would likely try to steal them. I looked in a mirror first and saw that I looked like my normal self and nothing like Chrystal at all. I have no idea why others are saying this. Then I look to find my purse missing. I run to the other room to get my purse and find Chrystal holding my Drivers licence and passport. I yell her name and she gets startled and drops the identifications on the floor and runs away... Only to be caught by security and dragged back to her cell. Then I sort of woke up, but not fully. I was in that state between waking and sleeping and that's when I heard Chrystal's unique and terrible voice in my ears. Because I was sort of awake I could see the room I was sleeping in, but because I was sort of asleep I could hear this voice. The voice was clear and distinct as if she was talking right into my ears. I don't remember what she was saying which is a shame, but her voice was very distinct and unmistakable. Not like a dream voice if that makes any sense. I heard it as clearly and with as much sound detail and nuiance as I would hear something in real life, with the vibrations you would feel from the sound and everything. I never experienced anything like this before. I've never heard sounds whenever I was in this sleep/wake state before. Part of me was afraid, but I controled my fear and demanded that she go away as I did not know what her purpose was. I decided instead of waking up completely I would go back to sleep and I dreamt that Chrystal had once again broken out of her cell and had stolen someone's car. She then ran over and killed the owner along with someone else and the authorities went looking for her, but had not yet found her by the time I awoke. That was the last I saw or heard of her.
edited to correct spelling errors.
I want to share some recent happenings. I am aware that they are likely just coincidences, but I'll share them anyway.
At the beginning of this thread I had tried casting some spell workings to cause the death of an individual that was bothering me. I honestly did not expect it to work considering much of what has been said in this thread by more experienced practicioners. Well, it hasn't worked- the individual is still alive, but yesterday I recieved word that two of his friends that were in different locations died suddenly- one of drug overdose and the other of a heart attack within a short time of one another. I did not know these people personally.
Also, Two nights ago I had a very strange dream that I will share now as I never dreamt anything like it. I was wondering around a facility of some sort that seemed to be part mental hospital, part nice hotel. Throughout the dream random people kept coming up to me calling me "Chrystal" and trying to get me to go "back to bed". I ignored these people until I found myself in a kitchen and one of the chefs told me "Get out Chrystal. You are not welcome here. You better not hurt any of my staff" Feeling annoyed I finally decided to say something. "I am not this Chrystal everyone keeps thinking I am. That's not my name. Why does everyone think that I am this person?" The chef does not believe what I am saying, but after some exchange I am finally able to convince him. He quickly apologizes and says, "I'm so sorry for the mistake. It's just that you look SO much like Chrystal. You look exactly like her." He then tells me about this woman "Chrystal" who is the most notorious captive in the ward and a murderer. He says she is constantly trying to escape and somehow succeeds often. He agrees to take me to her. And I find myself in front of quarters that look kinda like jail cells. But instead of bars there is clear glass as a barrier and there are hospital beds in each cell. I am led in front of one cell where there is a woman lying on the floor but her arm is chained to the bed Those that are looking in on her are doing so from a distance and with fear. They tell me not to get too close, but I get right up to the glass anyway. I am surprised to see that Chrystal looks nothing like me. I am a brunette with long hair and brown eyes. What I saw was a woman with severely crossed blue eyes, short platinum blond hair and lips that looked monstrous... Like they were someone's else's lips that had literally been sewed onto her face. You could see the sloppy stiching and everything. I want to say something as I stare, but find myself speechless. Then she sharply asked who I was and what my problem was. I felt I should back away so I did. I turn around and suddenly hear an alarm and everyone is running around. In the seconds that I turned away Chrystal had escaped. One person came up to me and said I should check for my id's because I look so much like Chrystal that she would likely try to steal them. I looked in a mirror first and saw that I looked like my normal self and nothing like Chrystal at all. I have no idea why others are saying this. Then I look to find my purse missing. I run to the other room to get my purse and find Chrystal holding my Drivers licence and passport. I yell her name and she gets startled and drops the identifications on the floor and runs away... Only to be caught by security and dragged back to her cell. Then I sort of woke up, but not fully. I was in that state between waking and sleeping and that's when I heard Chrystal's unique and terrible voice in my ears. Because I was sort of awake I could see the room I was sleeping in, but because I was sort of asleep I could hear this voice. The voice was clear and distinct as if she was talking right into my ears. I don't remember what she was saying which is a shame, but her voice was very distinct and unmistakable. Not like a dream voice if that makes any sense. I heard it as clearly and with as much sound detail and nuiance as I would hear something in real life, with the vibrations you would feel from the sound and everything. I never experienced anything like this before. I've never heard sounds whenever I was in this sleep/wake state before. Part of me was afraid, but I controled my fear and demanded that she go away as I did not know what her purpose was. I decided instead of waking up completely I would go back to sleep and I dreamt that Chrystal had once again broken out of her cell and had stolen someone's car. She then ran over and killed the owner along with someone else and the authorities went looking for her, but had not yet found her by the time I awoke. That was the last I saw or heard of her.
edited to correct spelling errors.
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Original post: Chylde
[QUOTE=immensly;309473]I want to share some recent happenings. I am aware that they are likely just coincidences, but I'll share them anyway.
... the individual is still alive, but yesterday I recieved word that two of his friends that were in different locations died suddenly- one of drug overdose and the other of a heart attack within a short time of one another. I did not know these people personally. [/QUOTE]
For the pittance my opinion is usually worth, I'd consider those deaths to be synchronicity at most. A failed death spell is rather like one of "screwed up" shots Hitman referred to in his post, and is rather unlikely to take out bystanders. Although I didn't say it earlier in the thread, you're probably going to have a better shot at distracting/deflecting this individual than you would be to outright kill them.
Also, from my paradigm, murder (or attempting same) would bind the target closer to you, which does not seem to be your intended result.
[QUOTE=immensly;309473]
Also, Two nights ago I had a very strange dream that I will share now as I never dreamt anything like it. I was wondering around a facility of some sort that seemed to be part mental hospital, part nice hotel. Throughout the dream random people kept coming up to me calling me "Chrystal" and trying to get me to go "back to bed". ...
... I yell her name and she gets startled and drops the identifications on the floor and runs away... Only to be caught by security and dragged back to her cell. Then I sort of woke up, but not fully. [/QUOTE]
Have you considered that Chrystal may be part of your "shadow" self? That you should examine Chrystal in light of your own life?
Just my $.02... YMMV
[QUOTE=immensly;309473]I want to share some recent happenings. I am aware that they are likely just coincidences, but I'll share them anyway.
... the individual is still alive, but yesterday I recieved word that two of his friends that were in different locations died suddenly- one of drug overdose and the other of a heart attack within a short time of one another. I did not know these people personally. [/QUOTE]
For the pittance my opinion is usually worth, I'd consider those deaths to be synchronicity at most. A failed death spell is rather like one of "screwed up" shots Hitman referred to in his post, and is rather unlikely to take out bystanders. Although I didn't say it earlier in the thread, you're probably going to have a better shot at distracting/deflecting this individual than you would be to outright kill them.
Also, from my paradigm, murder (or attempting same) would bind the target closer to you, which does not seem to be your intended result.
[QUOTE=immensly;309473]
Also, Two nights ago I had a very strange dream that I will share now as I never dreamt anything like it. I was wondering around a facility of some sort that seemed to be part mental hospital, part nice hotel. Throughout the dream random people kept coming up to me calling me "Chrystal" and trying to get me to go "back to bed". ...
... I yell her name and she gets startled and drops the identifications on the floor and runs away... Only to be caught by security and dragged back to her cell. Then I sort of woke up, but not fully. [/QUOTE]
Have you considered that Chrystal may be part of your "shadow" self? That you should examine Chrystal in light of your own life?
Just my $.02... YMMV
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Original post: 1911
The black candle of the mind burns away and extinguishes all negative energies as it burns lower and lower and eventually is put out by the sustaining water of the minds equilibrium as far as I am concerned.
If you want to play we can make sandcastles on the beach and catch crabs at our whim.
I prefer catching crabs.
The black candle of the mind burns away and extinguishes all negative energies as it burns lower and lower and eventually is put out by the sustaining water of the minds equilibrium as far as I am concerned.
If you want to play we can make sandcastles on the beach and catch crabs at our whim.
I prefer catching crabs.
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[QUOTE=Chylde;309696]For the pittance my opinion is usually worth, I'd consider those deaths to be synchronicity at most. A failed death spell is rather like one of "screwed up" shots Hitman referred to in his post, and is rather unlikely to take out bystanders. Although I didn't say it earlier in the thread, you're probably going to have a better shot at distracting/deflecting this individual than you would be to outright kill them.
Have you considered that Chrystal may be part of your "shadow" self? That you should examine Chrystal in light of your own life?
Just my $.02... YMMV[/QUOTE]
Shadow self? Oh good, I thought maybe my fears created this being in the astral or something. I haven't done alot of astral work so anything like that would be unintentional on my part.
Anyway the spells were something I tried when my fear of him was still fresh. Since then it's died down a bit. Now he's just calling my friends and family saying horrible things about me. It hasn't escalated past that point yet so I think I'm ok. He got their numbers by hiring someone. A form of stalking that is not illegal. Nothing I can do about it but endure it. That is why I hoped for his death. Merely because the law will not take care of it. However I haven't really focused on him much and have tried to ignore his actions since I did these spells. I think if I should do another working I will make one so that he causes his own destruction in some way. I just hope this doesn't mean he kills someone...which in turn causes his destruction. That would definitely be a backfire.
I watched a story on that cop who murdered his 23 yr old wife. All these women from his past (that haven't mysteriously died) have come forward to talk about how he would stalk them and call their coworkers etc... there wasn't anything they could legally do about it either and him being a cop made matters worse. The only reason they remained alive is because he began to get distracted and focus on other women. Two which are now dead. It's a shame. If he had been stopped back when he was doing the stalking his wives would still be alive and their children would still have a mom. Unfortunately our laws make it so that nothing can be done until after there are dead bodies involved.
And if someone kills their stalker/assailant in self defense? Then they have to lose all their savings having a lawyer represent them so that they hopefully will not go to jail for murder. If they're found not guilty they're still out many thousands of dollars. Not to mention losing the ability to find a job etc because their face has been plastered all over the news as someone who shot someone else. Guilty or not that's not going to make an interviewer feel comfortable hiring you- Especially if it's a position having to to with people. Like Sales.
If I do a working on making sure he gets distracted from me and focuses his attentions elsewhere, then some other girl will end up stalked and harrassed. Maybe even dead. Whatever happens, the only way this cycle will be broken is if he either dies/becomes some sort of invalid OR if he finally escalates to taking a life and he is put away because of it. I am hoping it will be his own death that stops him rather than someone else's. Anyway, time for x-mas dinner. Happy Holidays everyone!
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[QUOTE=Chylde;309696]For the pittance my opinion is usually worth, I'd consider those deaths to be synchronicity at most. A failed death spell is rather like one of "screwed up" shots Hitman referred to in his post, and is rather unlikely to take out bystanders. Although I didn't say it earlier in the thread, you're probably going to have a better shot at distracting/deflecting this individual than you would be to outright kill them.
Have you considered that Chrystal may be part of your "shadow" self? That you should examine Chrystal in light of your own life?
Just my $.02... YMMV[/QUOTE]
Shadow self? Oh good, I thought maybe my fears created this being in the astral or something. I haven't done alot of astral work so anything like that would be unintentional on my part.
Anyway the spells were something I tried when my fear of him was still fresh. Since then it's died down a bit. Now he's just calling my friends and family saying horrible things about me. It hasn't escalated past that point yet so I think I'm ok. He got their numbers by hiring someone. A form of stalking that is not illegal. Nothing I can do about it but endure it. That is why I hoped for his death. Merely because the law will not take care of it. However I haven't really focused on him much and have tried to ignore his actions since I did these spells. I think if I should do another working I will make one so that he causes his own destruction in some way. I just hope this doesn't mean he kills someone...which in turn causes his destruction. That would definitely be a backfire.
I watched a story on that cop who murdered his 23 yr old wife. All these women from his past (that haven't mysteriously died) have come forward to talk about how he would stalk them and call their coworkers etc... there wasn't anything they could legally do about it either and him being a cop made matters worse. The only reason they remained alive is because he began to get distracted and focus on other women. Two which are now dead. It's a shame. If he had been stopped back when he was doing the stalking his wives would still be alive and their children would still have a mom. Unfortunately our laws make it so that nothing can be done until after there are dead bodies involved.
And if someone kills their stalker/assailant in self defense? Then they have to lose all their savings having a lawyer represent them so that they hopefully will not go to jail for murder. If they're found not guilty they're still out many thousands of dollars. Not to mention losing the ability to find a job etc because their face has been plastered all over the news as someone who shot someone else. Guilty or not that's not going to make an interviewer feel comfortable hiring you- Especially if it's a position having to to with people. Like Sales.
If I do a working on making sure he gets distracted from me and focuses his attentions elsewhere, then some other girl will end up stalked and harrassed. Maybe even dead. Whatever happens, the only way this cycle will be broken is if he either dies/becomes some sort of invalid OR if he finally escalates to taking a life and he is put away because of it. I am hoping it will be his own death that stops him rather than someone else's. Anyway, time for x-mas dinner. Happy Holidays everyone!
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Original post: occulture
[QUOTE=immensly;309716]Shadow self? Oh good, I thought maybe my fears created this being in the astral or something. I haven't done alot of astral work so anything like that would be unintentional on my part.
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Hehe you just described your shadow self. Yes Fear. Yes Astral, Yes unintentional or more correctly intentionally sub-conscious.
[QUOTE=immensly;309716]Shadow self? Oh good, I thought maybe my fears created this being in the astral or something. I haven't done alot of astral work so anything like that would be unintentional on my part.
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Hehe you just described your shadow self. Yes Fear. Yes Astral, Yes unintentional or more correctly intentionally sub-conscious.
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Original post: immensly
[QUOTE=occulture;310011]Hehe you just described your shadow self. Yes Fear. Yes Astral, Yes unintentional or more correctly intentionally sub-conscious.[/QUOTE]
I did? Oh. Well I guess that's like dion fortunes wolf that I read about in another thread. My shadow self can't do nothin.
[QUOTE=occulture;310011]Hehe you just described your shadow self. Yes Fear. Yes Astral, Yes unintentional or more correctly intentionally sub-conscious.[/QUOTE]
I did? Oh. Well I guess that's like dion fortunes wolf that I read about in another thread. My shadow self can't do nothin.
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Original post: TelecultPower
Just make a lunas unfortunate talisman.
Just make a lunas unfortunate talisman.
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Original post: Sorath Al Dajjal
Death spells work,if the operator is skilled and knows magic.The mentioned coffin spell,an example of "sympathetic" magic,and similar spells work great if applied correctly.It is also important to "attack" the targets habits,to make the spell work more quickly.If he or she likes to drive fast or uses the car a lot,it would be best to put a curse upon his/her car and their "driving" in general.If he or she works a job that is potentially hazardous,target the hazards in your spells.Most deaths from death spells occur in weird accidents,rapid illnesses and in the case of very powerful black magicians,heart attacks and similar causes.It is wise to attack all areas of targets life,in your spell.They might choke on food as well...Fastest way is through aid of certain entities.It is also great to devise a ritual that is performed daily until the spell works,like doing a funeral ceremony for the target daily,daily ritually "announcing" the targets demise,or similar procedure.That way spell gains more power each day.
Death spells work,if the operator is skilled and knows magic.The mentioned coffin spell,an example of "sympathetic" magic,and similar spells work great if applied correctly.It is also important to "attack" the targets habits,to make the spell work more quickly.If he or she likes to drive fast or uses the car a lot,it would be best to put a curse upon his/her car and their "driving" in general.If he or she works a job that is potentially hazardous,target the hazards in your spells.Most deaths from death spells occur in weird accidents,rapid illnesses and in the case of very powerful black magicians,heart attacks and similar causes.It is wise to attack all areas of targets life,in your spell.They might choke on food as well...Fastest way is through aid of certain entities.It is also great to devise a ritual that is performed daily until the spell works,like doing a funeral ceremony for the target daily,daily ritually "announcing" the targets demise,or similar procedure.That way spell gains more power each day.
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Original post: BrotherM
my books have arrived from O/S, I am now in the possession of said out of print ye olde coffin spell if anybody wants it. There is also and even better one, The Awesome Deathbringer of Naples that I had forgotten about (don't use this stuff a lot you see).
BrotherM
my books have arrived from O/S, I am now in the possession of said out of print ye olde coffin spell if anybody wants it. There is also and even better one, The Awesome Deathbringer of Naples that I had forgotten about (don't use this stuff a lot you see).
BrotherM
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Original post: Lucian
Sure, I'd like to see them. Should I pm you?
The Awesome Deathbringer of Naples?? Is that the real name?BrotherM wrote:my books have arrived from O/S, I am now in the possession of said out of print ye olde coffin spell if anybody wants it. There is also and even better one, The Awesome Deathbringer of Naples that I had forgotten about (don't use this stuff a lot you see).
BrotherM
Sure, I'd like to see them. Should I pm you?
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Original post: BrotherM
Gather round brothers and sisters, and remember, you do this as a magickian, then you accept responsibility as a magickian.
Reproduced unmolested from the original text, compliments of Rollin G. Bennien
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"Awesome Death Maker of Naples"
Shouldst thou have an enemy that torments thee day and night...
Only shouldst misfortune to such a one cause the much joy...
Only if such a one werdst to die, wouldst thy life be complete...
Then and only then wouldst thou employ this evil working to bring about they enemy's undoing
On a night of Mars, as Luna waxeth in a fire sign, take into thy strongest hand a lemonfirm and ripe. With a sharp blade, carvest thy enemy's name upon the skin thereof. Thou shouldst then sprinkle with water and salt upon it and name it for the soon to be deceased.
In the light of a single red candle with a incense of Dragon's Blood burning in thy brazier, callest thou out to the just God of War to help thy power destroy thy tormentor.
In thy strongest hand hold firm five nails of iron and breathest thy hatred and venom into them. When thou feelest the power be at its peak, forcefully plunge the nails into and through the lemon.
Sit then and twine red thread around and around the nails as thy mind seest thy enemy's death in agony. By the red thread, hangest the gruesome charm out of doors to dry up nd rot in the dry wind. As the ancient wizards say, thy enemy will dwindle away.
Finis
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I will put "Ye Olde Coffin Spell" up later as it is a little longer and more complex, however beautifully written. I will put it up if the mods, in their infinite evil (;) ) don't delete the above post
BrotherM
Edited to add some very good advice (slightly edited):
To be a (magickian) of the first account,
And have thy magicks really amount,
Study carefully the words in each old spell
And learn the methods considerably well.
Hidden within the verbage and chatter,
Thou shalt find principles that really matter.
The Smart will discern and swift with a pail,
The Dummys will only rattle and fail.
Pearls do not cast before swine with intent,
The true (magickian) understandeth what really be meant.
Hast thou the Will to work the way?
Or comest thou only to spoof and play?
A Namby-Pamby in the ways of magick,
Only ends up a case most tragic.
Gather round brothers and sisters, and remember, you do this as a magickian, then you accept responsibility as a magickian.
Reproduced unmolested from the original text, compliments of Rollin G. Bennien
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"Awesome Death Maker of Naples"
Shouldst thou have an enemy that torments thee day and night...
Only shouldst misfortune to such a one cause the much joy...
Only if such a one werdst to die, wouldst thy life be complete...
Then and only then wouldst thou employ this evil working to bring about they enemy's undoing
On a night of Mars, as Luna waxeth in a fire sign, take into thy strongest hand a lemonfirm and ripe. With a sharp blade, carvest thy enemy's name upon the skin thereof. Thou shouldst then sprinkle with water and salt upon it and name it for the soon to be deceased.
In the light of a single red candle with a incense of Dragon's Blood burning in thy brazier, callest thou out to the just God of War to help thy power destroy thy tormentor.
In thy strongest hand hold firm five nails of iron and breathest thy hatred and venom into them. When thou feelest the power be at its peak, forcefully plunge the nails into and through the lemon.
Sit then and twine red thread around and around the nails as thy mind seest thy enemy's death in agony. By the red thread, hangest the gruesome charm out of doors to dry up nd rot in the dry wind. As the ancient wizards say, thy enemy will dwindle away.
Finis
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I will put "Ye Olde Coffin Spell" up later as it is a little longer and more complex, however beautifully written. I will put it up if the mods, in their infinite evil (;) ) don't delete the above post
BrotherM
Edited to add some very good advice (slightly edited):
To be a (magickian) of the first account,
And have thy magicks really amount,
Study carefully the words in each old spell
And learn the methods considerably well.
Hidden within the verbage and chatter,
Thou shalt find principles that really matter.
The Smart will discern and swift with a pail,
The Dummys will only rattle and fail.
Pearls do not cast before swine with intent,
The true (magickian) understandeth what really be meant.
Hast thou the Will to work the way?
Or comest thou only to spoof and play?
A Namby-Pamby in the ways of magick,
Only ends up a case most tragic.
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Original post: Dannerz
I've tested various life-shortening methods of magick, though; if anyone needs more exact details on the how, ask me in PM.
By simple sympathetic magick I had shortened the lifespans of sprouts I was growing in some dishes as a test. It was simply a set of sigils used. No hate required. The magick was death-oriented but its effect was only gradual, by means of subtle forces, reducing the amount of lifeforce in the target and degrading the target presistantly. It would take a large amount of energy to kill a target instantly, and that would require the source of that energy to be very strong in-deed. Scarlett's comment on page one really fits. It's easier to destroy a physical target by purely physical means.I'm inquiring to see what people's results have been with death spells. Do you think they actually work and is it necessary to have extreme hatred for the victim in order for a death spell to work?
I've tested various life-shortening methods of magick, though; if anyone needs more exact details on the how, ask me in PM.
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Original post: Dannerz
[QUOTE=BrotherM;306036]wasn't this thread about techniques? I gave one, 'ye olde coffin spell'. Maybe the people who don't believe can fuck off and the rest of us can discuss techniques? I remember this, it happened on another forum on cursing and it resulted in me getting banned
I guess I'll have to be careful then
BrotherM[/QUOTE]
I've been highly interested in the subject of lifeforce energy, how it operates and how one can control it. Getting better at draining it out of foes and parasites, aswel as replenishing it in friends.
The results mentioned earlier in the thread mainly have been to do with effecting the foe's luck, and within a certain number of months, the tragectory of the foe leads to events which cause death. This is quite different than draining all lifeforce energy out of the target. Has anyone ever tried a method based entirely on draining all lifeforce out of the target, or perhaps a method based on a sevitor?
[QUOTE=BrotherM;306036]wasn't this thread about techniques? I gave one, 'ye olde coffin spell'. Maybe the people who don't believe can fuck off and the rest of us can discuss techniques? I remember this, it happened on another forum on cursing and it resulted in me getting banned
I guess I'll have to be careful thenBrotherM[/QUOTE]
I've been highly interested in the subject of lifeforce energy, how it operates and how one can control it. Getting better at draining it out of foes and parasites, aswel as replenishing it in friends.
The results mentioned earlier in the thread mainly have been to do with effecting the foe's luck, and within a certain number of months, the tragectory of the foe leads to events which cause death. This is quite different than draining all lifeforce energy out of the target. Has anyone ever tried a method based entirely on draining all lifeforce out of the target, or perhaps a method based on a sevitor?
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Original post: Fragdo
hmm it makes my sad to see how normal , people think about killing others.
And take there lives away.
If someone did sumthing really bad at me i mostely curse the person(a)
(to make it shorter Xd)
But how ever i think its bad to try to play for "God' .
Its a bad thing to kill others..
hmm it makes my sad to see how normal , people think about killing others.
And take there lives away.
If someone did sumthing really bad at me i mostely curse the person(a)
(to make it shorter Xd)
But how ever i think its bad to try to play for "God' .
Its a bad thing to kill others..
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Original post: BrotherM
I think that is so sweet it deserves it's own thread :rolleyes:
Fragdo;318418 wrote:hmm it makes my sad to see how normal , people think about killing others. And take there lives away.
But how ever i think its bad to try to play for "God' .
Its a bad thing to kill others..
I think that is so sweet it deserves it's own thread :rolleyes:
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Original post: Novus Animus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K61mFzCqw8g
And I know I post this link a lot, but its a wonderful book.
http://www.deathandhell.com/corpus/radionics_index.html
I'm a big fan.
Anyways, killing with magic is possible. If we believe magic can do one thing then why not another? Does magic have limits? Are these limits not self imposed? Even if the limits are in place, then how long will that last for? It might not be possible, yet.
I've had some luck with things like this. I tried killing someone a while back, but they just got pneumonia and almost died. Drat! I made a servitor that was specifically designed to murder people. He broke a friends fingers in a car door and stabbed another friend. I haven't had a successful death yet, however I have caused injuries things of that nature.
A friend of mine at one point wished that his teacher would have a stroke while driving and die. That happened a couple of months later. Probably a coincidence, however as we all know, thats often times the course magic follows.
Karma has not been a problem. I don't believe in it. If I kill someone with magic, then they die from magic. I get away with it because you can't bring that to court. As long as I don't punish myself (guilt, regret) then there stands a good chance of only positive events occurring.
I don't agree with limiting yourself either. Sure, killing with a knife is more personal, but if there is an easier way why not go there? There is no sense in still using an iron plow and horse when we have the advantage of machinery. Don't get stuck in thinking that one thing is more honorable or manly, use whatever you can whenever you can.
All is fair in love and war.
One "spell" I made up is like this.
You make a sigil, your hate and wishes for their death.
You make an effigy, a target that will recieve your sigil.
You draw the sigil on bullets.
Get all jazzed up and litearlly "fire" you sigil into the effigy.
Drink a beer and revel in your victory.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K61mFzCqw8g
And I know I post this link a lot, but its a wonderful book.
http://www.deathandhell.com/corpus/radionics_index.html
I'm a big fan.
Anyways, killing with magic is possible. If we believe magic can do one thing then why not another? Does magic have limits? Are these limits not self imposed? Even if the limits are in place, then how long will that last for? It might not be possible, yet.
I've had some luck with things like this. I tried killing someone a while back, but they just got pneumonia and almost died. Drat! I made a servitor that was specifically designed to murder people. He broke a friends fingers in a car door and stabbed another friend. I haven't had a successful death yet, however I have caused injuries things of that nature.
A friend of mine at one point wished that his teacher would have a stroke while driving and die. That happened a couple of months later. Probably a coincidence, however as we all know, thats often times the course magic follows.
Karma has not been a problem. I don't believe in it. If I kill someone with magic, then they die from magic. I get away with it because you can't bring that to court. As long as I don't punish myself (guilt, regret) then there stands a good chance of only positive events occurring.
I don't agree with limiting yourself either. Sure, killing with a knife is more personal, but if there is an easier way why not go there? There is no sense in still using an iron plow and horse when we have the advantage of machinery. Don't get stuck in thinking that one thing is more honorable or manly, use whatever you can whenever you can.
All is fair in love and war.
One "spell" I made up is like this.
You make a sigil, your hate and wishes for their death.
You make an effigy, a target that will recieve your sigil.
You draw the sigil on bullets.
Get all jazzed up and litearlly "fire" you sigil into the effigy.
Drink a beer and revel in your victory.
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Original post: BrotherM
did anybody actually watch to the end of that video, lol
did anybody actually watch to the end of that video, lol