Re: Funnels and other Vortices
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:54 pm
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Sorry to intervene!
See how simple and concise things can be when you actually know what you're talking about? It's just one simple line as opposed to your SEVENTEEN PARAGRAPHS which fails horribly at conveying any concise description of anything.
"Fully formed" is just laughable. The eons of time are now in the double digits and everything is continually in a process of 'becoming': star factories within nebulae as a prelude to solar systems within galaxies.
ALL things that are created are finite.
Eternity encapsulates EVERYTHING including any virtual infinities.
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that transcends or is beyond the scope of eternity, NOT EVEN GOD ITSELF.
YOU ARE BUILDING CONSTRUCTS UPON CONSTRUCTS BUT THE BUILDING BLOCKS THEMSELVES ARE FAULTY. THE BASE TERMS AKA BUILDING BLOCKS YOU USE ARE NOT CLEARLY DEFINED; THEY ARE DUBIOUSLY AMBIGUOUS.
Cerber wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:42 pm While disagreements, even passionate ones, are part of life, the type of language we use to disagree MUST adhere to our rules and guidelines:
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This is formal warning.
If you, fine gentlemen, could please tone down with all those personal insults, that would be fabulous.
I think that Ain or the nothingness is a thing that exist at a primordial level and thus it existed for eons.
However, the word AIN, based on my energy work represents a negative side of a very corruptive energy, much where the sea of Chaos originate and are the home of various demonic beings, including the primordial demons and the Goetic demons.
The Kabalistic tree has two sides; one light and the other one dark *nightside*.
It is important to take in consideration that the nightside is where all the evil originates. Demons, the nothingness, more specifically the seas of chaos, it is where the evil originates.
And to further consolidate this, I bring as proof the picture of Satan traversing the seas of Chaos (AIN):
{gustave-dore's "satan-s-flight-through-chaos"}[/img]
If we look closely, the sea of chaos, besides containing the origin of all evils, AIN, it also contains the kabalistic sense of Chaos and nothingness.
Thank you for the information. I personally learned some things about Kabalah, but damn... I must say this is whole new stuff and very useful information.Ziran wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:35 pm
The more the merrier.
I think that Ain or the nothingness is a thing that exist at a primordial level and thus it existed for eons.
However, the word AIN, based on my energy work represents a negative side of a very corruptive energy, much where the sea of Chaos originate and are the home of various demonic beings, including the primordial demons and the Goetic demons.
I prefer not to misrepresent "Ain" as anything other than what it is: pure "negation" which is extremely useful. It's age is irelevant to me, other than its necessary partnership with "everything" and that it requires some thing other than itself to sustain it.
Making it an enemy, imo, causes much more harm than good. For example, chaos serves an important purpose for natural evolution. Random mutations with survival benefits are a product of chaos. These random mutations are an important driver in evolution. Without the genetic variance, the human race would never survive. I agree that it is "corruptive", but the remedy is to understand it. Even chaos is predictable in its absolute lack of order.
The Kabalistic tree has two sides; one light and the other one dark *nightside*.
Agreed. 100%. Here is my own diagram I posted earlier which includes the "other-side". It's not perfect, but I think it does a good job of illustrating the "other-side", and it's position on the "map" surrounding the material realm. This is indicated by the dark circle surrounding the white circle in the lower 4th of the chain. The components of the "other-side", the dark tree, is included in this dark circle surrounding the white one labled "מלכות".
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It is important to take in consideration that the nightside is where all the evil originates. Demons, the nothingness, more specifically the seas of chaos, it is where the evil originates.
And to further consolidate this, I bring as proof the picture of Satan traversing the seas of Chaos (AIN):
First, I personally have no fear of demons, satan, chaos, nor evil. That fear feeds them. All of them work for me, if I ever choose to use them for a greater good. Actual evil is remarkably rare, ignorance is far more common. Individuals who do harm intentionally are most often not evil, which is why they can be rehabilitated.
Second, chaos is not "ain". Chaos has a diifferent name: It's "Tohu-vah-Vohu", lliterally "chaos-and-void", which is different than "AIN".
{gustave-dore's "satan-s-flight-through-chaos"}[/img]
If we look closely, the sea of chaos, besides containing the origin of all evils, AIN, it also contains the kabalistic sense of Chaos and nothingness.
The problem with this is: Chaos at random catche and at random releases. So, it doesn't make sense to claim that Chaos contains the origin of all evil. Kabalah would label that dark region in the picture the "other-side", the "sitra-achra", nothing more, nothing less.
Really what's needed is a proper definition of evil in order to distinguish it from darkness.
Evil is willful harm for no other purpose other than pleasure. If an individual is inspired by the idea of rape, for the sole purpose of having that experience, and if that inspiration is pleasurable for them, as opposed to discouraging, then, they are having evil thoughts. If they actualize those thoughts, (act on them) and receive pleasure by doing them, then they are an evil person. It could be that they are evil through no fault of their own, but, this does not mean that they should be permitted to act out their evil intentions, nor that their evil intentions have no consequences.
But this is not the same as an individual who is a thief because they do not think they have any other way to feed themself, and, they happen to be good at stealing, and they get a thrill from stealing at the same time. Stealing is still wrong for them, but, it's not evil. The truth is, there probably are other ways of feeding themself, but, they are deluding themself as a result of the pleasure they receive and how easy it is for them to steal.
There's other ways that the thief is able to convince themself, delude themself, that it's OK to steal, and this is the study of criminal psychology, but it is rarely evil. It's delusional and a form of ignorance. Both delusion and ignorance are products of "Ain", but they delusion and ignorance are not evil.
Just because I've used a form of "cosmology" in a statement does not change the fact that you are confused about it and failed to define it properly; being an "authentic Kabbalist" are ignorant of such things that are external to your "dojo".
If Kabbalah is to have any worth at all then it should be possible to reduce it to common terms. There is no shortage of superfluous occult jargon and mysticism and as you can observe(as of late) I tend to avoid those sorts of things; if not for the fact that you are nearly a sole writer here, then you yourself might also be avoided, although I think 'ignored' would be more appropriate.
If Kabbalah is to have any worth at all then it should be possible to reduce it to common terms.
I myself write using a modest variety of dialects; translating some aspects of Kabbalah to a dialect that is common to my language.
Speak in plain language using common base terms.
Have you ever heard anything along the lines of simplicity is the way of genius?
But you say "It really is complicated.". Of course it is, otherwise it wouldn't require "simplification" now would it?
You're very welcome.BlackOrbit666 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:36 pm
Thank you for the information. I personally learned some things about Kabalah, but damn... I must say this is whole new stuff and very useful information.
Thank you.
Delusion and ignorance are products of AIN, that's true.
The thing is that I was trying to refer to the energetic polarities of Satan which are negative but sadly cannot be rehabilitated. Unfortunately it doesn't work like it works with people.
I mean, I have been in Satanism after all and the energies of Satan are dangerous. Especially if you talk about a lot of organisations like the JoS who literally screw it up, not gonna lie.
That is why I renounced on being Satanist and I am rather occultist, mostly Nordic, astrology etc., but not Satanist.
But, on another note, you are right that I should not fear them as fear (negative feeling) feeds the Demons. Thanks for the tips.
That's almost like punching somebody in the face and following up with "Don't be mad, I didn't mean to hurt you, I'm just joking bro."This is the very reason I ask for "simplification", because it "reveals" what a knucklehead you are, and I'm not using "knucklehead" here as an ad hominem but for rhetorical purposes.
So to avoid having lose anyone, my precious dudes, I'm left with little alternatives, but to temporary lock this thread....
Degenerative language: Use of language to describe or imply other members, even if not directly named, are inferior or below the speaker, including language that elevates the self-importance of the speaker; example being in a disagreement with someone then not directly responding to the individual but to proceed to discuss plebs, sheep, etc or self-aggrandizing their power, ability, position, or authority in the world.
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I agree with that; it seems reasonable if necessary. Now I'm going to get back to other forms of writing, what there is left of it anyway, time will tell.Cerber wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:31 pm p.s.
If any member strongly disagrees with views of some other member on any subject, to a point were they are unable to express their views without resorting to derogatory language, better approach would be to start new separate thread, and present your alternative interpretation on the subject there, in a constructive manner.
On the other hand the Tree sits on each human and upon this planet's landscape at local, continental and global scales.
Amor wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 12:50 am On the other hand, the tree sits on each human and upon this planet's landscape at local, continental, and global scales. The first tree I was shown on the landscape covered the island of Iona. The humans were living on/in the lower sephiroth; that is common for trees that face up into the cosmos.
My apologies for disturbing your beliefs