Original post: PaulS
For those of you who want to know the differences here they are:
Invoking: asking a spirit to take over your body to better communicate with others. When this is done your consciousness usually trades places with the spirits while it is invoked in you - hence you don't remember much of what goes on.
Summoning is a lot like Evoking depending on how insistant you are.
Evoking: Asking a spirit to join the space near you so that you can better commune or to add its power to your own or to guard you against the interference of other spirits. You do this when you call the quarters, ask deity to join you in circle, invite your guide to commune with you.
If you are very insistent and demand the presence of a spirit that you are not very familiar with you had better have protection between you and it. Mandatory summoning should be left to those with the education and experience to do it safely.
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Original post: shinotenshi
I always get invoking and envoking mixed up. I guess what I do is envoking not invoking.
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I always get invoking and envoking mixed up. I guess what I do is envoking not invoking.
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Original post: ava_callahan
I've had Anubis come to me several times. The first time, I write a little chant or something.
I've had him come to me when I haven't even summoned him. I've dreamt of him. I pray to him when I find the time too. I have invocated Anubis too, but generally he comes to me of his own free will. He doesn't "come" everytime I call, but I'll learnt to discern his prescene. In time you will too. I hope that helps.
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I've had Anubis come to me several times. The first time, I write a little chant or something.
I've had him come to me when I haven't even summoned him. I've dreamt of him. I pray to him when I find the time too. I have invocated Anubis too, but generally he comes to me of his own free will. He doesn't "come" everytime I call, but I'll learnt to discern his prescene. In time you will too. I hope that helps.
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Original post: Gavriel
[QUOTE=ava_callahan]I've had Anubis come to me several times. The first time, I write a little chant or something.
I've had him come to me when I haven't even summoned him. I've dreamt of him. I pray to him when I find the time too. I have invocated Anubis too, but generally he comes to me of his own free will. He doesn't "come" everytime I call, but I'll learnt to discern his prescene. In time you will too. I hope that helps.
Ava[/QUOTE] It seems like the Gods pick us, basically. You don;t go around saying. "I chose Apep as my God..." it normally doesn't work that way. And this isn't to you Ava, I'm just expaning on what you said.
Hotep.
(PS. I was just thinking about you. =) )
[QUOTE=ava_callahan]I've had Anubis come to me several times. The first time, I write a little chant or something.
I've had him come to me when I haven't even summoned him. I've dreamt of him. I pray to him when I find the time too. I have invocated Anubis too, but generally he comes to me of his own free will. He doesn't "come" everytime I call, but I'll learnt to discern his prescene. In time you will too. I hope that helps.
Ava[/QUOTE] It seems like the Gods pick us, basically. You don;t go around saying. "I chose Apep as my God..." it normally doesn't work that way. And this isn't to you Ava, I'm just expaning on what you said.
Hotep.
(PS. I was just thinking about you. =) )
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Original post: ava_callahan
It certaintly feel that way for me... Anubis seemed to call me to explore His "mysteries" for lack of a better word... If it weren't for that little "push" I would never have started to explore Kemeticism... though Death and it's processes have always been intriguing to me... so that's probably why I feel "attracted" to Him.
It certaintly feel that way for me... Anubis seemed to call me to explore His "mysteries" for lack of a better word... If it weren't for that little "push" I would never have started to explore Kemeticism... though Death and it's processes have always been intriguing to me... so that's probably why I feel "attracted" to Him.
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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Traditionally, it is not possible to evoke or summon a God - only invoke.
With the invocation of Anpu one is requesting the presence of Anpu to overshadow the Self, to indwell (however briefly) within the individual's sphere of sensation. When performed in a lodge setting, the Invoking Priest/ess invokes the deity into another individual acting as a vessel.
In Goetic evocation (for example), one uses the Names of God to compel the demons to do your will. However, such is not the case for all forms of evocation - see Enochian or Angelic evocation, for example. Evocation is simply the process of calling forth an entity whereas invocation is calling *in* an entity. Summoning (to me anyway) is a procedure similar to evocation, but used on lower spirits such as elementals wherein one utilises their innate heirachical power to summarily call upon the energy.
In my experiences with invocation the deity overshadows you, but there is always a corner of your mind that remains aware of what is going on. You may speak as the deity, think as the deity and move as the deity but there is always an aspect of consciousness that remains *you* and is capable of recalling events that have transpired - otherwise it would be a fruitless exercise to invoke a God into you - you would come out of it none the wiser!
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Why invocation?
Traditionally, it is not possible to evoke or summon a God - only invoke.
I've read before your Invocation of Anpu--and I wish to know the reasons for such being permitted over usual "summoning" (in which I assume you refer to the pompous style of "Do this or I'll kick your ass"?).
With the invocation of Anpu one is requesting the presence of Anpu to overshadow the Self, to indwell (however briefly) within the individual's sphere of sensation. When performed in a lodge setting, the Invoking Priest/ess invokes the deity into another individual acting as a vessel.
In Goetic evocation (for example), one uses the Names of God to compel the demons to do your will. However, such is not the case for all forms of evocation - see Enochian or Angelic evocation, for example. Evocation is simply the process of calling forth an entity whereas invocation is calling *in* an entity. Summoning (to me anyway) is a procedure similar to evocation, but used on lower spirits such as elementals wherein one utilises their innate heirachical power to summarily call upon the energy.
When this is done your consciousness usually trades places with the spirits while it is invoked in you - hence you don't remember much of what goes on.
In my experiences with invocation the deity overshadows you, but there is always a corner of your mind that remains aware of what is going on. You may speak as the deity, think as the deity and move as the deity but there is always an aspect of consciousness that remains *you* and is capable of recalling events that have transpired - otherwise it would be a fruitless exercise to invoke a God into you - you would come out of it none the wiser!
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=ava_callahan]It certaintly feel that way for me... Anubis seemed to call me to explore His "mysteries" for lack of a better word... If it weren't for that little "push" I would never have started to explore Kemeticism... though Death and it's processes have always been intriguing to me... so that's probably why I feel "attracted" to Him.[/QUOTE]
Your experiences with him sound very similar to what I've experience. I felt a tug towards him for quite a while before I moved to any serious study of Kemeticism.
[QUOTE=ava_callahan]It certaintly feel that way for me... Anubis seemed to call me to explore His "mysteries" for lack of a better word... If it weren't for that little "push" I would never have started to explore Kemeticism... though Death and it's processes have always been intriguing to me... so that's probably why I feel "attracted" to Him.[/QUOTE]
Your experiences with him sound very similar to what I've experience. I felt a tug towards him for quite a while before I moved to any serious study of Kemeticism.
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=PaulS]For those of you who want to know the differences here they are:
Invoking: asking a spirit to take over your body to better communicate with others. When this is done your consciousness usually trades places with the spirits while it is invoked in you - hence you don't remember much of what goes on.
Summoning is a lot like Evoking depending on how insistant you are.
Evoking: Asking a spirit to join the space near you so that you can better commune or to add its power to your own or to guard you against the interference of other spirits. You do this when you call the quarters, ask deity to join you in circle, invite your guide to commune with you.
If you are very insistent and demand the presence of a spirit that you are not very familiar with you had better have protection between you and it. Mandatory summoning should be left to those with the education and experience to do it safely.
PaulS[/QUOTE]
Which is a slightly more detailed version of what I had already said. Is there an echo in here?
[QUOTE=PaulS]For those of you who want to know the differences here they are:
Invoking: asking a spirit to take over your body to better communicate with others. When this is done your consciousness usually trades places with the spirits while it is invoked in you - hence you don't remember much of what goes on.
Summoning is a lot like Evoking depending on how insistant you are.
Evoking: Asking a spirit to join the space near you so that you can better commune or to add its power to your own or to guard you against the interference of other spirits. You do this when you call the quarters, ask deity to join you in circle, invite your guide to commune with you.
If you are very insistent and demand the presence of a spirit that you are not very familiar with you had better have protection between you and it. Mandatory summoning should be left to those with the education and experience to do it safely.
PaulS[/QUOTE]
Which is a slightly more detailed version of what I had already said. Is there an echo in here?
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Original post: Samhain
[QUOTE=fiat_lux_777]93
Traditionally, it is not possible to evoke or summon a God - only invoke.
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In my experiences with invocation the deity overshadows you, but there is always a corner of your mind that remains aware of what is going on. You may speak as the deity, think as the deity and move as the deity but there is always an aspect of consciousness that remains *you* and is capable of recalling events that have transpired - otherwise it would be a fruitless exercise to invoke a God into you - you would come out of it none the wiser!
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Todd[/QUOTE]
Actually, it's easier to evoke a God or Goddess than to invoke.
When the Deity overshadows you but there's a corner of your mind that remains aware, that's an intermediary stage between evocation and full invocation.
[QUOTE=fiat_lux_777]93
Traditionally, it is not possible to evoke or summon a God - only invoke.
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In my experiences with invocation the deity overshadows you, but there is always a corner of your mind that remains aware of what is going on. You may speak as the deity, think as the deity and move as the deity but there is always an aspect of consciousness that remains *you* and is capable of recalling events that have transpired - otherwise it would be a fruitless exercise to invoke a God into you - you would come out of it none the wiser!
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Todd[/QUOTE]
Actually, it's easier to evoke a God or Goddess than to invoke.
When the Deity overshadows you but there's a corner of your mind that remains aware, that's an intermediary stage between evocation and full invocation.
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Original post: PaulS
Samhain is right again.
When you call the God and Goddess into your circle you are evoking deity. Most Wiccans and Celts do this for each Sabbat. In Arratu we evoke deity at each sabbat and each time we use a formal introduction to the spirits and guardians.
"I, magickal name, son (daughter) of name and name, whose God is Name, and whose Goddess is Name, call on Deity Name (male and/or female) to enter this space and join this rite, in love and trust."
A simple evokation that is used with most of our celebrations and some of our meditations.
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Samhain is right again.
When you call the God and Goddess into your circle you are evoking deity. Most Wiccans and Celts do this for each Sabbat. In Arratu we evoke deity at each sabbat and each time we use a formal introduction to the spirits and guardians.
"I, magickal name, son (daughter) of name and name, whose God is Name, and whose Goddess is Name, call on Deity Name (male and/or female) to enter this space and join this rite, in love and trust."
A simple evokation that is used with most of our celebrations and some of our meditations.
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Original post: gedio
I've done Thoth too, i try to stay awya form Egyptian deities, mainly becausenthey're a bit pretentious and meledramatic.
I've done Thoth too, i try to stay awya form Egyptian deities, mainly becausenthey're a bit pretentious and meledramatic.
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Original post: Seiko
[QUOTE=gedio]I've done Thoth too, i try to stay awya form Egyptian deities, mainly becausenthey're a bit pretentious and meledramatic.[/QUOTE] I should like if you elaborate upon this, Gedio.
How so?
[QUOTE=gedio]I've done Thoth too, i try to stay awya form Egyptian deities, mainly becausenthey're a bit pretentious and meledramatic.[/QUOTE] I should like if you elaborate upon this, Gedio.
How so?
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Original post: gedio
No offence to the anubis pic you've got going. I just seme toget the impression thaat they're quite high and mighty in the way they dela with things and communicate, whereas Celtic deities seem quite notmal.
No offence to the anubis pic you've got going. I just seme toget the impression thaat they're quite high and mighty in the way they dela with things and communicate, whereas Celtic deities seem quite notmal.
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=gedio]No offence to the anubis pic you've got going. I just seme toget the impression thaat they're quite high and mighty in the way they dela with things and communicate, whereas Celtic deities seem quite notmal.[/QUOTE]
I think the pic is Set, not Anubis.
I've never got the feeling of them being high and mighty when working with them. Anubis has always demanded respect, but I don't think that's as much his attitude as it is my reverance for him.
Set on the other hand, our visits are always laid back and friendly. He's been visiting more often lately.
[QUOTE=gedio]No offence to the anubis pic you've got going. I just seme toget the impression thaat they're quite high and mighty in the way they dela with things and communicate, whereas Celtic deities seem quite notmal.[/QUOTE]
I think the pic is Set, not Anubis.
I've never got the feeling of them being high and mighty when working with them. Anubis has always demanded respect, but I don't think that's as much his attitude as it is my reverance for him.
Set on the other hand, our visits are always laid back and friendly. He's been visiting more often lately.
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Original post: gedio
In that case /IO don't think they liked me, on second thought it could be Set. Loloked like a JAckal at first.
In that case /IO don't think they liked me, on second thought it could be Set. Loloked like a JAckal at first.
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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[QUOTE=Samhain]Actually, it's easier to evoke a God or Goddess than to invoke.
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With all due respect, within the CM paradigm there is a reason why one is taught to invoke prior to learning to evoke.
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[QUOTE=Samhain]Actually, it's easier to evoke a God or Goddess than to invoke.
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With all due respect, within the CM paradigm there is a reason why one is taught to invoke prior to learning to evoke.
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=fiat_lux_777]93
With all due respect, within the CM paradigm there is a reason why one is taught to invoke prior to learning to evoke.
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What's the reason?
[QUOTE=fiat_lux_777]93
With all due respect, within the CM paradigm there is a reason why one is taught to invoke prior to learning to evoke.
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What's the reason?
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Original post: Seiko
The signature, on the other hand.
But such is irrelevant.
The avatar would have been Anpu.gedio wrote:In that case /IO don't think they liked me, on second thought it could be Set. Loloked like a JAckal at first.
The signature, on the other hand.
But such is irrelevant.
gedio=No offence to the anubis pic you've got going. I just seme toget the impression thaat they're quite high and mighty in the way they dela with things and communicate, whereas Celtic deities seem quite notmal.[/quote wrote: None taken, my friend! Certainly, you're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine!
Now, I cannot truly speak on behalf of either of these statements--that is, Egyptian deities being "high and mighty" and Celtic deities being "quite normal".
But at least in what I have heard and what little I have experienced, I should like to disagree with the former.
Set/Sutekh, eh? Glad to see someone else around here who doesn't automatically devour the fellow's bad reputation.Shinotenshi wrote:I've never got the feeling of them being high and mighty when working with them. Anubis has always demanded respect, but I don't think that's as much his attitude as it is my reverance for him.
Set on the other hand, our visits are always laid back and friendly. He's been visiting more often lately.
Albeit, I can't speak from first-hand experience here either. Though I'm sure I'll have the opportunity to see for myself, eventually.
Definitely something you should elaborate upon, friend Todd, be it here or a separate thread.With all due respect, within the CM paradigm there is a reason why one is taught to invoke prior to learning to evoke.
It has been my observation that most (including myself until lately) are under the impression that evocation is somehow easier/simpler/safer/should-be-taken-firstetc than invocation.
If you believe this to be a grand misconception (a sentiment I would be inclined to agree with you upon), I think many could benefit from understanding "why".
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=Seiko]Set/Sutekh, eh? Glad to see someone else around here who doesn't automatically devour the fellow's bad reputation.
Albeit, I can't speak from first-hand experience here either. Though I'm sure I'll have the opportunity to see for myself, eventually.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it took meeting him to make me disregard his bad rep. Before that I was terrified of him, expecting him to be mean and not nice. Boy was I wrong and he made sure I knew it.
[QUOTE=Seiko]Set/Sutekh, eh? Glad to see someone else around here who doesn't automatically devour the fellow's bad reputation.
Albeit, I can't speak from first-hand experience here either. Though I'm sure I'll have the opportunity to see for myself, eventually.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it took meeting him to make me disregard his bad rep. Before that I was terrified of him, expecting him to be mean and not nice. Boy was I wrong and he made sure I knew it.
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[QUOTE=shinotenshi]Actually, it took meeting him to make me disregard his bad rep. Before that I was terrified of him, expecting him to be mean and not nice. Boy was I wrong and he made sure I knew it.[/QUOTE] I had the EXACT same feeling. He was very nice. I'm glad you told me to invoke him ^^
Hotep.
[QUOTE=shinotenshi]Actually, it took meeting him to make me disregard his bad rep. Before that I was terrified of him, expecting him to be mean and not nice. Boy was I wrong and he made sure I knew it.[/QUOTE] I had the EXACT same feeling. He was very nice. I'm glad you told me to invoke him ^^
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=Gavriel]I had the EXACT same feeling. He was very nice. I'm glad you told me to invoke him ^^
Hotep.[/QUOTE]
I'd recomend it to anyone. He's wonderful company.
[QUOTE=Gavriel]I had the EXACT same feeling. He was very nice. I'm glad you told me to invoke him ^^
Hotep.[/QUOTE]
I'd recomend it to anyone. He's wonderful company.
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Original post: Gavriel
[QUOTE=shinotenshi]I'd recomend it to anyone. He's wonderful company.[/QUOTE] The air got a little to cold at first. But that goes away. -shrugs- It got ALOT colder as compared to say, Djehuti...
Peace.
[QUOTE=shinotenshi]I'd recomend it to anyone. He's wonderful company.[/QUOTE] The air got a little to cold at first. But that goes away. -shrugs- It got ALOT colder as compared to say, Djehuti...
Peace.
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Original post: shinotenshi
[QUOTE=Gavriel]The air got a little to cold at first. But that goes away. -shrugs- It got ALOT colder as compared to say, Djehuti...
Peace.[/QUOTE]
I've not invoked him yet. Soon though.
[QUOTE=Gavriel]The air got a little to cold at first. But that goes away. -shrugs- It got ALOT colder as compared to say, Djehuti...
Peace.[/QUOTE]
I've not invoked him yet. Soon though.
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Original post: Gavriel
[QUOTE=shinotenshi]I've not invoked him yet. Soon though.[/QUOTE] Lol. He can be respectful, not nessecarly nice and loving. But I've said all this to you before, so..
En hotep, Anedj hra-ek Shinotenshi. ^_^
[QUOTE=shinotenshi]I've not invoked him yet. Soon though.[/QUOTE] Lol. He can be respectful, not nessecarly nice and loving. But I've said all this to you before, so..
En hotep, Anedj hra-ek Shinotenshi. ^_^
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[QUOTE=Gavriel]Lol. He can be respectful, not nessecarly nice and loving. But I've said all this to you before, so..
En hotep, Anedj hra-ek Shinotenshi. ^_^[/QUOTE]
I'm looking forward to talking to him.
[QUOTE=Gavriel]Lol. He can be respectful, not nessecarly nice and loving. But I've said all this to you before, so..
En hotep, Anedj hra-ek Shinotenshi. ^_^[/QUOTE]
I'm looking forward to talking to him.