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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Right! Personally I'm after 'yard of the month'. It would help if we had a housing committee in the 'hood, though.

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Very interesting. Grab, you first implied that they were possibly bad things to happen to you? If so, why would contacting spirits and beings from higher sepheroths be something that would end up getting you "bad karma?" I did not know if you meant that it was negative or positive change. I do not really believe in Karma, although that is just me. (Please don't flame me.) However, I suppose that those who warrant more success and happiness will be granted so by the beings who have power over such. It is very complicated.

Original post: Grab

Not exactly, Buffer, I said that the philosophically inclined probably would recognize the duality of those things. Further, I'm not sure if I believe in Karma either, but those things did happen.

One simple example: I lost my well paid work, but after doing that, I realized that I have plenty enough money to last for years without working. So, now I have more time for Magick.

/Grab

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

So it is less of a /get what's coming for you/ thing, and more of just you developing with magic?

Original post: Grab

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]So it is less of a /get what's coming for you/ thing, and more of just you developing with magic?[/QUOTE]
That's one way to interpret it. Personally, I think they are both the same.

Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum

leaving aside the personal and inner growth, and magickal instruction as a result of "contact" I have had the following specific material results from dealing with spirits:

--did an agelic ritual with a friend to get her a specific job: she did.

--charged andromaleous (not via evocation however) to return a lost item to me: it was.

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

That's what I'm talking about Fr. NovumOrganum lol. What angel did you contact for the job? (I don't know if you meant an evocation/invocation by ritual...)

Original post: fiat_lux_777

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I've mainly used (demonic) evocation for the purposes of knowledge and guidance. Occasionally for material gain.

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Todd

Original post: Grab

fait_lux_777) If you don't mind, could you elaborate on what definition you attach to "material gain"? Would asking a demon for ways to climb in the hierarchy at work be considered evoking for "material gain"? Or asking a demon for ways to become better at betting on horses be considered evoking for "material gain"? My point is, it's still only information gathering and not using the demon to alter reality for you. Thus, can it be "bad" according to the Kabalistic Karma laws?

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Perhaps he means material gains in the sense that some spirits are supposed to be able to locate treasure for the operator?

Original post: MaeveQ

I think in the sense of Great Work, material gains are not very welcome. But you can use them for material gain, altering the physical world etc. They are capable of performing the things as they are described. Also with hard work, you can achieve those abilities too, without the need of any spirit.

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I've looked through many different "spirit directories", if you will, such as geotia and have not found a particular ability. I am wondering if anyone knows of beings with the ability to affect the events of the magician, specifically to get them out of going somewhere, doing something, etc.?

Oh, and this is off topic but I hate to make too many different threads about tiny questions, so I'll throw this one on here in addition to my main question (above). What are the alternatives to using incense to help the spirits manifest physically?

Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]I've looked through many different "spirit directories", if you will, such as geotia and have not found a particular ability. I am wondering if anyone knows of beings with the ability to affect the events of the magician, specifically to get them out of going somewhere, doing something, etc.?

Oh, and this is off topic but I hate to make too many different threads about tiny questions, so I'll throw this one on here in addition to my main question (above). What are the alternatives to using incense to help the spirits manifest physically?[/QUOTE]
I can't help with the first question there, but...

Candles, Flowers, Herbs, hell, even scented soaps may work. I do believe it's more the 'pleasent smell' then the smoke (depending on the entity). At least this is my theory, so take it as you will...

Q

Original post: Grab

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]I've looked through many different "spirit directories", if you will, such as geotia and have not found a particular ability. I am wondering if anyone knows of beings with the ability to affect the events of the magician, specifically to get them out of going somewhere, doing something, etc.?[/QUOTE]
Let me think now. You want to NOT do something? Sounds like breaking out of a prison or breaking some chains. Metaphorically speak, of course. Am I right? If so, then you could look into moon-entities, perhaps from the Greater Key.

If not, please elaborate.

/Grab

PS: not all problems need to be solved through evocation. DS

Original post: MaeveQ

[QUOTE=Overflowed_Buffer]I've looked through many different "spirit directories", if you will, such as geotia and have not found a particular ability. I am wondering if anyone knows of beings with the ability to affect the events of the magician, specifically to get them out of going somewhere, doing something, etc.?

Oh, and this is off topic but I hate to make too many different threads about tiny questions, so I'll throw this one on here in addition to my main question (above). What are the alternatives to using incense to help the spirits manifest physically?[/QUOTE]
I dont know if you practice other branches of magick but for this you could actually make a spell and use it. Might be easier than evoking a demon.

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Grab, you're close. I mean like, and this is a dumb example but I am horrible at making examples, if there was company picnic at your company and you wanted out of it, but if you didn't show up you would get fired. Is anyone aware of a spirit, (demon, angel, elemental, anything really, I am not picky, just curious), that would be of assistance in getting out of going?

Now I know there are other ways out of it, especially in this example. One could go on and on about non magical ways out, but I am specifically asking about an entity to evoke. I don't have this problem, but am very curious. Out of all of the things that spirits can do, this eludes me for some reason.

MaeveQ, I do not use spells or anything like that. I used to and eventually realised that the only success I had, which was creating a huge snowstorm covering minnesota, north dakota, and wisconson, was when I was sitting channeling my energy and intent with a mantra. I do not have much experience in spells, nor do I know how to properly execute them. I am looking for an entity, but thanks for the answer, it was interesting.

Original post: Grab

Buffer, why don't you tell us what you want instead of making examples? It will make it easier for all of us.

It seems my suggestion was correct anyway. Moon. Do it... now!

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

Grab, I believe I told you what I want. I want to know if anyone is aware of a spirit or being that has the ability to get people out of having to do things. Meetings, family gatherings, seminars, classes...I could go on but I think you must have the picture by now...I hope...

Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I just looked...Maybe you are looking at a different Key of Solomon. I don't see any moon entities in the Greater Key...?

Original post: fiat_lux_777

[QUOTE=Grab]fait_lux_777) If you don't mind, could you elaborate on what definition you attach to "material gain"? Would asking a demon for ways to climb in the hierarchy at work be considered evoking for "material gain"? Or asking a demon for ways to become better at betting on horses be considered evoking for "material gain"? My point is, it's still only information gathering and not using the demon to alter reality for you. Thus, can it be "bad" according to the Kabalistic Karma laws?[/QUOTE]
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say "altering reality". Reality is a state of mind which is directly affected by information. I consider material gain anything which increases my physical comfort, rather than spiritual evolution - from getting rid of a headache to knowing which horse to bet on at the races

Why would wanting to improve one's situation be viewed as "bad", karmically or otherwise?

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Todd

Original post: Grab

fiat_lux_777) I agree that anything I do will affect reality, including reading a book. It's pretty profound actually. However, I meant more in the form of "i want to nail that prom queen despite not being a hunk" type of reality manipulation... Myself, I agree totally with you about improving situation.

However, it seems a lot of CMers think that Malkuth isn't worth perfecting and should not even be attempted to be - at least not from what I read in the thread about "make a million $$$ and get laid like a rock star".

/Grab

Original post: Fraulein Meow

Personally, I've directly asked a number of spirits for a number of things and have mostly had good results. Part of the trick is to know a little about the type of spirit you're evoking, such as what kind of spirit they are and where their expertise lies, as well as what their methods are and so forth.

If you just want to get something done & don't want to mess around with unknowns, then the Goetic spirits are the best. Not long ago, I employed one (Andromalius, whom DuQuette mentions in one of his books) to retrieve a stolen car for me. The car was stolen over a week before I had done the evocation, and I got it back the night of. I've had other instances where work with those particular spirits has been equally effective.

For more subtle endeavors, such as spiritual and psychic development, I would recommend using other spirits than the Goetic. The Olympic planetary spirits are great teachers of magick, alchemy, etc. They are very wise and kind - but will insist on being called at the proper planetary hour, preferably on the first hour of sunrise on the day corresponding to the planet they represent.

The planetary intelligences have served me well, as well as various astrological angels and the spirits of the Shemhamphorasch. The Enochian seniors (from the Watchtower tablets) have, after working with some of them over long periods of time, helped me make profound changes in my life the like of which I could never have predicted beforehand.

Probably you're best bet is to determine what you want done, evoke a spirit that you think might be well suited for it and ask them if they can and will do it. If not, ask what their areas of expertise are. You might be pleasantly surprized to find that they can help you with all sorts of desirable things that have never even occurred to you.

As far as making changes to your body and psyche - yes, it is possible for a spirit to do that. Some spirits are more trustable than others (ie: the planetary intelligences and the olympic spirits, as well as some of the Enochian spirits, specifically the ones nearer the top of the hierarchy), and can be asked to make changes to you directly. I've had planetary intelligences instruct me to do things like place my hand on a painted Kamea of their planet & chant their names (mostly to affect a desired personal change), and these things have always worked great.

Anyway, this is just one way of doing things. It's possible to become an extremely potent magician and advance to untold spiritual hieghts without ever once doing an evocation or working with spirits - it's one method among many, but it's one that I happen to like.

Hope this helps,
Fraulein Meow

Original post: AHA

[QUOTE=MaeveQ]Well, the coldness between you and some other posters is obvious.
Edit: Anyway just nevermind the whole thing. It was pointless and not needed.[/QUOTE]

I for one feel no coldness to wards anyone here on OF.
Perhaps you have mistaken 'formal englisch' &or seriousness for 'coldness'.?

OK, so back to the topic.

If i want money, I work.
If I want riches, I invest wisely.
If i want sex, I ask a friend.
If I want a boyfriend, I put the work in on this plane by being a good friend and engaging with the person within a social setting and also one-2-one, etc ad infinitum.


I, for one, can obtain money, sex, riches and all material things by material means, and have never asked or wanted to ask a spirit to do this for me.

Does that answer your question?

Original post: Grab

AHA wrote: If i want money, I work.
If I want riches, I invest wisely.

Lets say that your work doesn't pay very well due to various factors as education level or a general recession?

Let's say that you don't have a starting capital to invest or that your "wiseness" (if there is such a word) turns out to be wrong? (Could easily happened on the stock market.)

How would you do it then?

If i want sex, I ask a friend.

You must be a girl or gay! :lol: For most guys in the hetero world, life isn't nearly that easy.

If I want a boyfriend, I put the work in on this plane by being a good friend and engaging with the person within a social setting and also one-2-one, etc ad infinitum.

That's very good advice. Of course, the underlying assumption is still that you have met the guy, that you have friends and a social environment in which to interact.

General speaking, however, I tend to agree with what you say. Worldy matters can often be solved through worldy action. A little nudge on the probablity can't hurt though.

/Grab

Original post: Qryztufre

[QUOTE=Grab]
General speaking, however, I tend to agree with what you say. Worldy matters can often be solved through worldy action. A little nudge on the probablity can't hurt though.

/Grab[/QUOTE]
You can't be closer to the truth. No matter how great a magickian you are you can't win the lottery if you don't buy the ticket!

Same with a better job kinda...you can't cast a spell fer higher pay if you have not put out any applications. Yeah, yeah, the manager at the gas station could keal over...but is that really what you were seeking?

I 4M TEH GR8 M46!(|<!4N M4|2\/!N!!!11SHIFT+1!!!11
I used to be a bagger at walmart but thanks to the help from my astral buddies I'm now a cashier!

Q