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Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:17 pm
by Lord Ferocia
Asurendra wrote:I cannot speak to the subject of how you developed your worldview since I do not know. It may be that you have reached these conclusions on your own in a vacuum. However, they are not sui generis creations in themselves.
When you write, “What I am saying is, that each individual is the center of their own personal universe, literally alone within it.... This ALL is a reflection of these individuals” This is Subjective Idealism. In Western philosophy, the way you are using the term 'individual' would be called a monad. So, this is all basically Leibnitz. (Multiple Universe Theory, as taught, does not support your view, by the way.) You run into the same problem that Rose Red alluded to, that of how a consensus reality exist at all which we all experience. It is not so simple that we create our own reality as such since we must interact with other monads as well as broader forces. I cannot effect the drought that is currently afflicting California where I live by any act of will of belief on my own. To reduce this to its modern incarnation, my use of the Law of Attraction will often conflict with other monads using the same force. I can change how I relate to events, but, as a monad I am clearly not sovereign.
From my viewpoint, you are going in exactly the wrong direction. There is only one Consciousness of which all things are the playful manifestations. When I say each person is the center of the universe, what I mean is that our real identity is that we are all Paramashiva in an ultimate sense.
Much has been written about the subject of evil (pain & suffering) by humanity. Your opinion is certainly one often expressed. If this view is where you are in your relationship to the Supreme Lord then I think it's fine. I'm not personally emotionally attached to any view. Ultimately, this is a subject in which people must make an existential choice as it is not reducible to some verifiable calculus (to go back to Leibnitz). I'm sure you think this Agnaw is exactly that, but, that remains to be seen.
On that subject, if you think that your views on the nature of illusion are unique then I challenge you to outline them on a separate thread. Given that Subjective Idealism seems to be your core construct I have my doubts. But, as you say, I do not know the full system.
Because people disagree with you does not mean they do not understand you. This, and to claim that there is really a hidden component that somehow makes it all clear but others are not ready are really only rhetorical devices to shield weak positions.
I never claimed the the theory I proposed was not unlike another theory out there, if it is so be it. However, you have simply went on to point out the difference, and that is about the monad. BTW once again, I say that what I am discussing here, in this thread in particular is
not new, nor am I saying the other aspects of the Agnaw I allude to somehow "prove" what I am saying here etc. I am simply addressing those who claim I have not presented anything new. Now, back to this issue of the monad. The Multi universe theory does not prove my theory, and I never said this, I said it was "evidence" for it. The point I was making was that science agrees there are unseen parallel universes out there. The theory I am trying to explain is based upon that idea, but of course is not one and the same. What you are missing is the proposition that each of these parallel universes is it's own monad, that there are no other monads within each that could conflict.
I believe, correctly, that you do not understand me, and nor has anyone else. Once again, proven by your words here. Obviously, just from reading this post I can see this. And again, I am not making a claim that "there is really a hidden component that somehow makes it all clear but others are not ready", where did I say this? Quote where I have said this? My point was only in reference to the claim I haven't provided anything "new", which of course I have not, as I have not at all discussed any particulars about the magical system of the Agnaw, besides a few theories about life in general.
I will post another thread about the viewpoint of the Agnaw in regards to the illusion of suffering, so that we may go into it deeper. I do feel it is different that what you are describing.
LF
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:20 pm
by Lord Ferocia
RoseRed wrote:Strong evidence does not a fact make and wikipedia is not the end all and be all of information.
First of all, no where did I say it was "strong evidence", nor did I say it proved anything. I was simply making a point, and that is that there is evidence for multiple universes, and is therefore at least some real evidence for the theory I was talking about. What evidence (at all) was there for the opposing parties theories? The thread they provided I can hardly call "evidence" at all. In fact, it simply states an opinion.
LF
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:10 am
by Aardvark
The anger and proselytizing in this thread is almost like if a Satanist came into a Christian forum and expressed his views of Satanism. This is quite shocking the lack of tolerance I'm seeing here. In the end which of us holds absolute truth?
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:14 pm
by RoseRed
Wow. And I thought it was just a good, deep and involved conversation.
Opinions vary, I guess.
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:30 pm
by Aardvark
When someone says that another's viewpoint makes them want to puke, it's no longer a logical discussion. It starts to smack of, "YOU'RE JUST WRONG GOD YOU MAKE ME SICK." There's not much of an open viewpoint to discuss at that point.
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:20 pm
by RoseRed
To each their own.
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:29 pm
by Ramscha
Aardvark wrote:When someone says that another's viewpoint makes them want to puke, it's no longer a logical discussion. It starts to smack of, "YOU'RE JUST WRONG GOD YOU MAKE ME SICK." There's not much of an open viewpoint to discuss at that point.
As the one who said that I may should stay straight for that and say:
I meant what I said, and I said that looking away because Heaven/Universe will certainly do its job by teaching a lesson, THAT makes me puke.
Just to repeat it.
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:04 am
by Aardvark
And if that is a core tenet of someone's belief, what part of that is not intolerant? That's not discussing the issue, or trying to better understand another point of view, or get into the core of why it makes you puke. That's just a handwave response that says, "I don't want to talk about it, it's absurd."
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:10 am
by Lord Ferocia
As the one who said that I may should stay straight for that and say:
I meant what I said, and I said that looking away because Heaven/Universe will certainly do its job by teaching a lesson, THAT makes me puke.
Who mentioned "looking away because heaven/universe will certainly do its job teaching a lesson"? Again, as I had mentioned many times this wasn't my meaning. No where do I suggest "looking away", and actually I say the exact opposite! This from someone that repeatedly insisted they understood me. You're simply reading into my words.
LF
Re: How to undo a spell/send it back
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:22 am
by Lord Ferocia
Aardvark wrote:And if that is a core tenet of someone's belief, what part of that is not intolerant? That's not discussing the issue, or trying to better understand another point of view, or get into the core of why it makes you puke. That's just a handwave response that says, "I don't want to talk about it, it's absurd."
Very true. Besides this, it is not at all what I said, and I think I was very clear about it. Again, I appreciate your words.
@ Ramscha. I repeatedly mentioned one should NOT be indifferent to suffering or evils, and even take everything that happens as a "particular dealing of God with one's soul". This of course is a paraphrase of a well known occult phrase, that anyone worth their salt would recognize, and understand easily. My point point was simply not to use the occult as an escape from facing ordeals, and understand the need for such resistance in life. I hardly see anyone else here within this thread providing a counter argument that makes any sense. Why then Ramscha, do you propose the existence of evils and ordeals in life exist? How should they be handled? Are you then suggesting that these are the work of some Devil? That we should run into our temples and perform a "curse" removal, or pray to a God for all our cares to be lifted?
LF