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There probably are ways to appear taller using magick, but that's an illusion impressed upon individuals and not a real physical change. Remember Gandalf in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy when he addresses Bilbo who shrink back in fear in front of this overtowering wizard. I believe you could alter perceptions given you are sufficiently advanced in certain magickal systems. But I don't personally have that Knowledge.

That being said, I am not aware of any magical solution to physically increase one's seize, except that which is found within the medical world. That could be done nowadays through surgery and that's extraordinary in itself, providing of course that it all works according to plan. That's clearly not without risks as one would expect. Is it really worth it? In any case, be prepared to make a lot of money available as well.

You would still have to go through a lot of pain, mind you. There is no easy way for what you ask. For the seize of your body is what nature made it, which you should still be very grateful for. Some people are living with major disabilities for the whole of their lives, I am sure lots of them would gladly exchange their physical conditions for yours any time. Remember that, next time you find yourself in front of a mirror.

You have to realize that there are things even a great magician cannot do. Why do some occultists have for instance eye problems, suffer from arthritis or died of diseases? There are things we have to endure, possibly try alleviating (wearing glasses, meditate to reduce aches & pains ect.) but we are still organic beings subject to vulnerabilities, defects and aging. But it is my view that we are in fact more than our carnal self.

Well, I don't know how the will of the universe works or even all of what is capable in magick (I'm a newbie), but if you're so sure about surgery working and where it may be undertaken, then why don't you focus on some type of financial windfall which will allow you to undertake this procedure you're certain of instead of the course you wanted to take (direct modification through magic) in your first posting?

ghawke2 wrote:Well, I don't know how the will of the universe works or even all of what is capable in magick (I'm a newbie), but if you're so sure about surgery working and where it may be undertaken, then why don't you focus on some type of financial windfall which will allow you to undertake this procedure you're certain of instead of the course you wanted to take (direct modification through magic) in your first posting?

Good advice.

Buy some happiness, that's the easiest way (sad, but also true). [thumbup]

laican wrote: I couldn't care less.

This should work...


If not , I recommend you to take up some stretching exercises , to soften and stretch the muscle bundles around your thigh and knee , do them for a few months and together wtih a healthy diet, you should get 1-2 inches, but no more ...

Magick is not the easy way, despite what many people think.. Those crazy things that some can do are the result of many years of research and hard practice.

Matrozs wrote:Magick is not the easy way, despite what many people think.. Those crazy things that some can do are the result of many years of research and hard practice.

The truth has spoken.

In fact, if your only (?) hope is magic, you must be really desperate.

laican wrote:
Nonsense. These surgeries are performed regularly. They work. The soft tissue adapts to the growth of the bone, given proper care.

That will be true to some extent, but you are not talking about a small procedure. If you add half an inch, or an inch, I believe that the regeneration of soft tissue will be sufficient for you to recover. But adding 7 inches is a very different story.
Show me an example of a successful surgery, where the patient grows 7 inches without further complications or disabilities.

You ask for advice but you behave like you already know everything, so I'm missing the point of talking to you.

http://www.paleyinstitute.org/?q=node/47

What is the safe amount that can be lengthened and why can more length not be done?
The limits of lengthening are the soft tissues. The risk of complications from lengthening increase with increased length. Up to 5cms is a low risk lengthening. Between 5-8cms is medium risk and over 8cms is high risk. For example to achieve 10cms of lengthening it is much safer to lengthen the femur and tibia each by 5cms than to lengthen either bone by 10cms.

You are talking about 7 inches, which is around 18 cm. This is past the top range and, as you see, will fit the High Risk category. Any reasonable doctor will advise you against it, and you should doubt any doctor who says he can do it. You may deny it, but this is how it goes.

Haqim wrote:In fact, if your only (?) hope is magic, you must be really desperate.

I am. But since no actual support is going to be offered here, I won't bother asking for it and go find a way completely on my own.

frackture wrote:

laican wrote:
Nonsense. These surgeries are performed regularly. They work. The soft tissue adapts to the growth of the bone, given proper care.

That will be true to some extent, but you are not talking about a small procedure. If you add half an inch, or an inch, I believe that the regeneration of soft tissue will be sufficient for you to recover. But adding 7 inches is a very different story.
Show me an example of a successful surgery, where the patient grows 7 inches without further complications or disabilities.

You ask for advice but you behave like you already know everything, so I'm missing the point of talking to you.

http://www.paleyinstitute.org/?q=node/47

What is the safe amount that can be lengthened and why can more length not be done?
The limits of lengthening are the soft tissues. The risk of complications from lengthening increase with increased length. Up to 5cms is a low risk lengthening. Between 5-8cms is medium risk and over 8cms is high risk. For example to achieve 10cms of lengthening it is much safer to lengthen the femur and tibia each by 5cms than to lengthen either bone by 10cms.

You are talking about 7 inches, which is around 18 cm. This is past the top range and, as you see, will fit the High Risk category. Any reasonable doctor will advise you against it, and you should doubt any doctor who says he can do it. You may deny it, but this is how it goes.

This only goes to show how limited and defeatist your thinking is. You have already assumed failure. Obviously multiple surgeries would be required.

You know, it's very rude and insulting, the way you keep talking to people here. We are not defeatists, and we do not simply assume failure. There are people on this forum who have done things for fun that you have not even begun to consider possible, let alone begun to do yourself.

You see, we are simply not delusional. A lot of us here have been practicing magick for a very long time, some people here for much longer than you have even been alive. We have a good idea of how these things tend to work. A few people have even given you some decent advice on how you might feasibly gain 2-3 inches, stretching yourself out a bit. My own previous post here pointed to how you might use meditation to effect a certain degree of change, or illusion spells to make yourself seem taller to others. But a seven inch, completely expanded growth is simply not realistic with metaphysics. Even the aforementioned surgery is a dangerous thing to face, and you said yourself that it isn't going to give you exactly what you want. There is nothing defeatist in accepting that reality just doesn't work that way, just like there is nothing defeatist in accepting the fact that there is no breathable atmosphere on Mars.

It's just the way it is, and your childish, rude behavior towards everyone who disagrees with your fanatic pursuit of this vanity is not going to change that.



~:Shin:~

Why don't you just go fuck yourself Shin?

Case in point. But since I fail to see how that is supposed to be unpleasant and refuse to take insult, I think I shall heed such lovely counsel. A good day to you too. [thumbup]



~:Shin:~

Not everyone deserves our help.

This one is asking for a fight.

Must be a bad case of short man syndrome.

That escaleted quickly [tongue]

... deserves...

Attitude is a huge part of the picture

I am still curious as to why he wants to increase his height of 7 inches. Do you want to become a professional basketball player or something?

If you go through this surgery, enjoy your high risk chance of being crippled in some fashion for life.

A friend of a friend underwent the procedure, and after 2 years of intensive therapy, is still bound to a wheelchair when they leave the house.

I will add my two cents with the others and say you are being needlessly hostile. People arnt being condescending to you, you asked for advice, they gave it.

If you don't want to heed it, fair enough, but seems pointless asking if you already have you mind set on what to do ie fuck yourself over for little benefit.

Reminds me of anorexia, in a strange sense.

I don't know if the OP is looking to cause issues here or is legitimately asking for something most people on here to find plausible. If the OP is a troll, please stop taking the bait and feeding it. If the OP is not a troll, please stop trying to give unsolicited advice or opinions after they have asked not to. Arguing about whether something can or can't be done after the OP (troll or not) has set guidelines this is not what they want answered or discussed does not benefit anyone here. We have a slew of ad hominem attacks and general negativity going both ways that really isn't necessary. If you wish to help the OP with their query (gain 7 inches through magic) you can stay and try to work with them. If you wish to discuss the merits of why such a request is not feasible you may start another thread and discuss that as much as you like.

To the OP, the only answer I can give you is such a drastic change to be possible to my knowledge in the way you seem to request it, is a complete crashing or destruction of the veil, allowing the metaphysical world/self to directly manipulate the physical universe. This would be very very difficult borderline impossible (though not completely), and isn't really in the realm of possibilities for you.

Where you might find some luck is researching how bone growth occurs in the body. Despite your opinion about DNA not setting someones height, this is how our biology works. DNA and the way genes are expressed sets the timing and amount of growth hormones released in your body. These growth hormones determine how much your bones grow. Simply taking these hormones as an adult doesn't really work very well for increasing height and messes up your body (and general bone growth elsewhere), so most people wanting increased height usually end up having their bones cut, and use an apparatus that slowly increases the distance of the space between the bones so they keep trying to grow together. It is extremely painful and expensive.

What might work, maybe not 7 inches, but after doing the research on how bone growth occurs, all the way down to the cellular level, you will have an understanding on how all the systems of your body work. Having this understanding you may be able use some type of magic and/or mediation to manipulate or control your body on a cellular level and directing the growth in only the areas and systems that require it. By doing so over long periods of with dedication, it may be possible to increase your height. I do not know if it would work or how much it might work, but beyond changing the fundamental reality of our world, that is the best idea that I can come up with.

Is actual height necessary, or would the perception of height be sufficient? For example, the confident obtained from an extra seven inches of height can just as easily be gained from the perception of seven additional inches. I mention this because as Alice in Wonderland Syndrome shows, it's extremely feasible to convince your own sensory perceptions that you are any size you wish to be. Furthermore, by taking advantage of the embodiment illusion, you can convince the part of the brain responsible for manufacturing your sense of self that it is anything or anyone. The upshot of this is that with proper discipline and the use of small doses of psychedlics to increase suggestibility, you may be able to permanently alter your brain's perception of your own size to increase your height by seven inches (or more!).

PoisonPen wrote:Is actual height necessary, or would the perception of height be sufficient? For example, the confident obtained from an extra seven inches of height can just as easily be gained from the perception of seven additional inches. I mention this because as Alice in Wonderland Syndrome shows, it's extremely feasible to convince your own sensory perceptions that you are any size you wish to be. Furthermore, by taking advantage of the embodiment illusion, you can convince the part of the brain responsible for manufacturing your sense of self that it is anything or anyone. The upshot of this is that with proper discipline and the use of small doses of psychedlics to increase suggestibility, you may be able to permanently alter your brain's perception of your own size to increase your height by seven inches (or more!).

If I am not mistaken, that's the external world the OP wants to convince. The idea seems to be of proving or projecting the appearance of a physical aspect he currently doesn't have. He may condition himself by suggestion of being taller by 7 Inches but would people see it that way?

Phenix20 wrote:If I am not mistaken, that's the external world the OP wants to convince. The idea seems to be of proving or projecting the appearance of a physical aspect he currently doesn't have. He may condition himself by suggestion of being taller by 7 Inches but would people see it that way?

There are a number of psych experiments which have been done around perceived size. For example, when someone is introduced to a psych class as a professor and the students are asked to estimate his height, the average height given is higher than when the same person is introduced as a teaching assistant. The confidence gained from perceiving yourself as being taller may well translate into a higher perceived height by others. And after all, this is the basis of how "magick" works: you manifest your Will, and if your Will is strong enough, then it overrides the consensus reality everyone else shares.

I've asked to stop giving unsolicited "advice" to the OP (even though they have not been back). I will be deleting the posts after mine that have crossed that line and should anyone continue to post after this one it will be deleted an an infraction will be given. As I said before if you wish to discuss the topic outside the guidelines the OP has requested you may do so in a thread of your own making.

If you feel I am being unfair have any questions, concerns, or criticisms you can PM me or any of the mods.