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Spida wrote:These Beings exist in the Abstract Aethyrs of consciousness, which does not render them any less real than a thing that is manifested in the bounds of mundane consciousness.
Completely agree. The only difference is, other beings (demons, angels, ancestral spirits etc.) have identified themselves to us over time. These things haven't, so all we have to go on is speculation. I'm not certain we can communicate with them or even occupy the same dimension as they do, as most reported sightings are "accidental" and have never (to my knowledge) resulted in successful communication. The one house I lived in where I saw them constantly had been a site of a violent crime, and there seemed to be a sort of attraction or feeding frenzy type deal going on with the space. So my feeling would be that they are dangerous, see us primarily as a food source, and have either no interest or no ability to communicate with us beyond that.
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That's a pretty big "if" though, isn't it? And the rest of your post is filled with similar assumptions. How would you build a cage for starters, when you don't even know what substance these beings are made from or which dimensional realities they occupy or can move through? How would you leech its powers if you have no idea what its powers are, or deprive it of food when you don't know its method or frequency of feeding? And how many other non-corporeal beings have you successfully managed to trap and torture in this way? I'm all for magical thought experiments but this sounds more like mental masturbation.
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the_spiral wrote: Completely agree. The only difference is, other beings (demons, angels, ancestral spirits etc.) have identified themselves to us over time. These things haven't, so all we have to go on is speculation. I'm not certain we can communicate with them or even occupy the same dimension as they do, as most reported sightings are "accidental" and have never (to my knowledge) resulted in successful communication. The one house I lived in where I saw them constantly had been a site of a violent crime, and there seemed to be a sort of attraction or feeding frenzy type deal going on with the space. So my feeling would be that they are dangerous, see us primarily as a food source, and have either no interest or no ability to communicate with us beyond that.
All we ever get around here with respect to Angels(and I can never be 100 percent sure the source), is manifestations
of color(orbs), scents, some peculiar audio sounds, and I see 11:11, and other numbers on the clock made of zeros and ones more times in a day than I can keep track of. But yes, they do have elaborate identifiers, so I guess we need to have some faith in what others have given us about them. Although I prefer personal experience! I do feel there are some rules set in place for Angels by the Entities above them in the Dominance hierarchy(which aren't many). So perhaps a physical manifestation is asking a bit much.

It's kinda the opposite with these Shadow Persons, where usually the only thing they do is manifest visually. Other
than that they are very standoffish and sneaky! And when looked at in an individual case by case basis I would question the authenticity of these encounters, but when the Phenomenon is looked at as a whole, being so persistent, widespread, and similar. I think this add much credibility to it. I'm not aware of any communication with these creatures, and I believe the only time we can occupy the same dimensions as them is when our mode of consciousness allows it. Which is, I would say(as you did)always accidental. It appears as though certain modes of consciousness allows for the merging of two reality constructs occupying the same Four Dimensional Space where normally these two realities are transparent to one another. Perhaps in the same way that numerous forms of energy exists around us that we are oblivious to. And the fact that a lot of them appear to be wearing these Fedora style hats adds a deeper mystery, like some residual effect from the 50s or something. Anyways, I would wager that most of the time they are just curious about us as we are about them.

Dangerous? maybe to someone who's not very developed Spiritually, But to an old Soul such as yourself, who has built up a lot of protection(guardians etc.), nothing to lose any sleep over. So that makes two of us! [tongue]

I don't think they can use us for food either, i'm not even sure how that would work.

And I agree, I don't think they can be trapped, at least not in the traditional sense. Incorporeal bodies can pass
directly through matter, so maybe(BIG MAYBE) some sort of Energetic container might work, but that's pretty far
out and there are much more rewarding things to spend your time on!

Anyways, you are a brilliant Occultist Spiral!
Always a pleasure!
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I was discussing these entities briefly with a practitioner the other day (a clairvoyant and healer of genuine attainment), and his perspective (as much as I gathered from our brief chat on the subject) was that these entities are external manifestations of internal emotional/energetic blockages.

I found this interesting, since it's exactly what Robert Bruce says (to the point that he correlates the appearance of certain skin blemishes - which can pop up on the site of blockages - with the presence of these entities within or around the aura of an individual).

It also lines up with my own experiences, to the point where I went from actively experiencing the presence of these entities to being able to detach them as I worked through specific blockages, although the entities seem to have (or be capable of developing) some degree of independent existence, since they made multiple attempts to return.

One thing I've found enormously beneficial is the cleansing power of the ocean. Bruce states that these entities can't cross water at all (like the vampire of myth), and I don't know if this is true, but I do know that when I was dealing with them, I experienced intense and immediate relief from going swimming at the beach. This makes sense, given the cleansing power of water combined with the bright sunlight. Even just a knee-deep stroll through the waves on a sunny day can be very cleansing, although it doesn't have the same effect as complete immersion.

Incense also seems to create an environment less hospitable to them, as does general cleanliness and tidiness. They thrive in filth, chaos, mess and darkness (thinking of them as slightly more intelligent parasitic insects - something akin to an energetic tick - wouldn't be far wrong, imo), which creates a bit of a feedback loop, since these are also the environments which their influence tends to lead to.
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Rin wrote:I was discussing these entities briefly with a practitioner the other day (a clairvoyant and healer of genuine attainment), and his perspective (as much as I gathered from our brief chat on the subject) was that these entities are external manifestations of internal emotional/energetic blockages.
Well, at least we can agree that these Entities seem to be dependent on internal mechanisms to manifest. Although I tend to look at this more as different modes of consciousness; these things are inherent by design. But ultimately I suppose there does need to be some catalyst that initiates the process, perhaps causing a frequency change in consciousness, unusual brainwaves, activity - A doorway to this particular Aethyr of the Microcosm, which manifest Macrocosmically.

I think this is good because it shows the intimate relationship between the Micro, and Macrocosms. The different layers of existence within the two, how they can influence one another. These abstract Aethyrial layers that we theorize about, and attempt to visit at times.

And who knows, maybe energetic/emotional blockages could act as a trigger; I am more familiar with mind altering substances, and certain sleep states as the catalyst for this particular reality involving the Shadow Persons.

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My own experiences dictate that such creatures are not (at least exclusively, although I strongly doubt it) "emotional blockages" percebible by us when in altered states but inteligent beings capable of much metaphysical feats. One word comes to mind when recalling some experiences and it is not "astral trash" nor "shadowpeople" nor "weak beings" but Masters.

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LoneWolf wrote:My own experiences dictate that such creatures are not (at least exclusively, although I strongly doubt it) "emotional blockages" percebible by us when in altered states but inteligent beings capable of much metaphysical feats. One word comes to mind when recalling some experiences and it is not "astral trash" nor "shadowpeople" nor "weak beings" but Masters.

Beware you don't lose oportunities for BIG mental expansion by avoiding encounters with theoretical spooky and weak creatures you read in the internet about.
I suspect we're speaking about two different things. There are, without a doubt, entities out there which can be contacted for beneficial, education, mind expanding, etc. purposes, but I was referring specifically to the "shadow people" entities which people report fairly consistently around the world - shadowy, humanoid figures which approach or attach themselves to individuals, are frequently perceived during sleep, or altered states of consciousness which take place entering or leaving sleep, emanate negative emotions such as fear/anger/despair/etc. and tend to have a negative effect on, or be correlated with a negative turn in, people's lives.

Unfortunately, it's hard to categorise spiritual entities or intelligences - we can't lock them down in a lab and take a DNA sample, so there's no hard and fast definitions to work with :p

Speaking specifically of the "shadow people," they certainly can have at least the seeming of intelligence, and can be conversed with, but like all spiritual phenomena, there's at least an element of subjectivity in the experience, so it's hard to say whether that's just projection or a genuine property they possess. I suspect that they grow in both strength and sophistication over time as they "feed" on the emotional energy of the victim - again, much like a tick, or leech.

If nothing else, I think they absolutely do represent an opportunity for spiritual growth. That is, after all, one of the many traditional reasons for working with negative entities - to overcome them and the negative traits which are associated with them.
Well, at least we can agree that these Entities seem to be dependent on internal mechanisms to manifest. Although I tend to look at this more as different modes of consciousness; these things are inherent by design. But ultimately I suppose there does need to be some catalyst that initiates the process, perhaps causing a frequency change in consciousness, unusual brainwaves, activity - A doorway to this particular Aethyr of the Microcosm, which manifest Macrocosmically.

I think this is good because it shows the intimate relationship between the Micro, and Macrocosms. The different layers of existence within the two, how they can influence one another. These abstract Aethyrial layers that we theorize about, and attempt to visit at times.

And who knows, maybe energetic/emotional blockages could act as a trigger; I am more familiar with mind altering substances, and certain sleep states as the catalyst for this particular reality involving the Shadow Persons.
I think you're onto something - the classic axiom is probably relevant here, "as above, so below."

Everything which manifests in one plane of reality will eventually (perhaps immediately? but that's a debate for another time) become reflected in some manner in all other planes - so what might manifest on one plane as a negative thought pattern might manifest on another, denser plane of existence as a blockage in the flow of energy in the body, and on a denser plane still as a physical symptom.

I suspect the "shadow people" are an extension of this principle, that they exist on a plane where these things manifest with at least the appearance of semi-autonomous entities, and that this plane is one which can be tuned into through various methods, including drugs and altered states of consciousness when entering/exiting sleep.

On a side note, a few months ago I came across this interesting article on the use of acupuncture in classical chinese medicine in the treatment of spiritual attacks, there are some interesting parallels with the discussion here: http://www.scholarsage.com/ghostly-points/

The main difference being that the "Shadow People" are not generally conceived of as being deceased spirits (although the two are somewhat similar on the surface, in my limited experience, and if a deceased spirit is malevolent enough I can see how they could become confused, or potentially more or less interchangeable - and of course different cosmologies have to be taken into account).
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Indeed we may.

I was pointing out however that from your bed and with the lights off both the master and the weakling shadow person look very alike at least in my personal experience. I really hope no one misses the chance to see.

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Yeah I suppose there could be some overlapping/similar phenomenon here that are being thrown all together as Shadow Person Phenomenon. Where distinctions could be made.

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LoneWolf wrote:Indeed we may.

I was pointing out however that from your bed and with the lights off both the master and the weakling shadow person look very alike at least in my personal experience. I really hope no one misses the chance to see.
Not sure which masters you've been contacting :p but those more evolved spirits I've had the fortune of communicating with have always been easily distinguishable as such. And vice versa for negative spirits. Although more experienced practitioners have accounted stories of each disguising itself as the other (either to trick or test the practitioner).

The gap between a friendly deceased spirit and a negative spirit of the "shadow person" variety we've discussed here is much smaller though (again, in my experience) - the experiences themselves were very similar, except the deceased spirit didn't emanate the same aura of malevolence and didn't try to force contact the way "shadow people" do.
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They want to integrate.

4 of my guides are shadow figures...they correspond to my MBTI shadow functions

As for new shadow figures I encounter, my last experience was a black shadow that flew into my body a couple years ago at the beginning of my Pluto square Saturn transit. I was watching music videos late at night. It was Hitler's ghost (a representation of my Saturn), ready to integrate. You know when you find a standup comedian who makes you laugh hysterically? That's what this was like for hours.

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Rin wrote: The classic axiom is probably relevant here, "as above, so below."
Axiom, or perhaps Maxim!
That statement jumps out at me on so many occasions and so many different levels.
At the moment it reminds me of a Fractal where an inner part magnified becomes the whole,
or vice versa. Inner/outer, above/below.

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Actually it was taken from a childhood book:

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I couldn't think of a name so I started looking around my room for inspiration.

But thanks :)
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I was also thinking about something else this morning, that hasn't been mentioned yet. You can see these Shadow Persons, and other Spirits out of your peripheral often but they vanish when you look directly at them. I don't think they are fleeing at times, but it's just that these bodies don't refract light waves, they just pass directly through. Rendering them invisible.

I'm not sure at this point really, but there is some sort of exception to this rule with respect to the peripheral vision.

I thought it was worth mentioning,
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I guess the visibility of the Shadow People is directly proportionate to the density at which they are manifesting. Contingent upon several factors possibly.

Lesser densities would yield peripheral sightings, while denser manifestations could yield head on sightings. Since their bodies are then capable of refracting light frequencies.

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LoneWolf wrote:My own experiences dictate that such creatures are not (at least exclusively, although I strongly doubt it) "emotional blockages" percebible by us when in altered states but inteligent beings capable of much metaphysical feats. One word comes to mind when recalling some experiences and it is not "astral trash" nor "shadowpeople" nor "weak beings" but Masters.

Beware you don't lose oportunities for BIG mental expansion by avoiding encounters with theoretical spooky and weak creatures you read in the internet about.
They are Masters. Masters of disguise. You see them all the time, or their work, what you don't see often is their true form. They work night and day in coordinating fashion to shape the world to the image of their masters. If they see you of some important they will attempt to creep on you, when they close enough they will start to jam your senses, you will beging seeing and hearing through their Prims, eventually they start shaping your inner and outer world so you could work unintentionally for their agenda. They become part of you. And most of the time they succeeded.
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Cerber wrote:They are Masters. Masters of disguise. You see them all the time, or their work, what you don't see often is their true form. They work night and day in coordinating fashion to shape the world to the image of their masters. If they see you of some important they will attempt to creep on you, when they close enough they will start to jam your senses, you will beging seeing and hearing through their Prims, eventually they start shaping your inner and outer world so you could work unintentionally for their agenda. They become part of you. And most of the time they succeeded.
I think I may know where you are coming from. I did hear about certain shadow beings who are actually very powerful and that their shadow form is rather a disguise.
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That theory is wrong. A fairy godmother would be a disguise, a guardian angel advising you on which path to take would be a disguise, a shadowy formless figure you may see sometimes leaning towards somebody whispering some crap is their true form. They are intelligent but they struggling to maintain that veil of deception on more than one pair of eyes at the same time. But they are able to overcome that limitations by working on groups and coordining their "work".
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Cerber wrote:That theory is wrong. A fairy godmother would be a disguise, a guardian angel advising you on which path to take would be a disguise, a shadowy formless figure you may see sometimes leaning towards somebody whispering some crap is their true form. They are intelligent but they struggling to maintain that veil of deception on more than one pair of eyes at the same time. But they are able to overcome that limitations by working on groups and coordining their "work".
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can't edit any more. it was meant to be "..by working in groups.." not "on"
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moma a mea wrong somewhere i live in bc k ha ha well mabby i did wars here years ago

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cactusjack543 wrote:moma a mea wrong somewhere i live in bc k ha ha well mabby i did wars here years ago

gotta hate no editing..
yeah, I did some wars centuries ago too, but I still have my mind somewhat in one piece, what happened to yours?
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one force led to support another ....
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cactusjack543 wrote:one force led to support another ....
and you were standing in it's way?
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every which way but loose loll.... .
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I can see that, pieces of you were put back together in a wrong way. there is no consensus any more.
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