An Egyptian Word
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:34 pm
Original post: Mmothra
Xeper-i-Set
06-30-2004, 11:10 PM
Does anybody know the Egyptian word for "Knowledge"?
KCh
07-01-2004, 04:24 AM
Naught
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Well the verb, to know is comprised of the heiroglyphs usually transliterated into English as R and Kh, followed byt the papyrus scroll determinative. I'm not sure on the pronunciation here but don't you think it's interesting that the ancient Egyptian word for knowledge so closely resembles the Hebrew Ruach, which represents the intellectual mind?
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 10:07 AM
Oops, I missed the important information.
I gave the verb, to know, and you wanted the noun, knowledge. In heiroglyphic writing generally, the stem word, in this case RKh, can be either noun or verb on its own so in this case RKh can mean 'to know' or 'the thing known', the knowledge itself.
nebhotep
07-01-2004, 12:13 PM
hi
the god of divine knowledge was Sia and im sure they used the same word,
nebhotep
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 12:26 PM
I'm not aware of a God by the name of Sia, but you are correct that the word means divine knowledge. It's one of the powers attributed to pharoahs of the Old Kingdom along with Hu, divine speech, and Heka, divine magic. The three powers are usually attributed to various creator Gods and it is they who bestow them on the Pharoah.
Can you give me a source for Sia as a God name please?
Xeper-i-Set
07-01-2004, 05:13 PM
Thanks, Caradoc!
And Nebhotep, what does the phrase in your signature mean?
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 05:31 PM
And Nebhotep, what does the phrase in your signature mean?
My translation would be, "Behold Set, God of Evil." I could be wrong though as the first word appears to be composed of the masculine and feminine forms... so it could mean something else entirely.
I just wanted to post this so I can check it against the real answer if Nebhotep posts it. I'm still learning to read ancient Egyptian you see, and it's actually easier to read the heiroglyphs than the transliteration, so I want to check how I'm doing
insert_name_here
07-02-2004, 07:00 AM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
Caradoc
07-02-2004, 09:38 AM
There are many. Search Amazon. There are even a couple online which I sometimes use but don't have the links for at the moment... Google found them for me so it shouldn't be difficult to find. The online ones both seem to contain the same information and are notr very comprehensive but they are useful if you have a word you want translated. There is nothing on grammar in the sites I know of though so sentence construction can still be difficult even with the words translated.
buddha
07-02-2004, 09:55 AM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
where are also books, who help you translate from the old languages...
i have a very good book, which help me translate the old hiroglyph of egypt...
Caradoc
07-02-2004, 10:12 AM
Would you care to share the title? I only have Budge's Egyptian Language and the Reader, which are of any great use, and I know he is looked down upon these days.
Apart from that I have Understanding Heiroglyphs by Hilary Wilson which I wouldn't recommend as it shows you heiroglyphs and tells you what they mean in English, never giving the Egytian word or an explanation of what makes the particular group of glyphs mean what they do. It really just teaches you recognise groups of heiroglyphs which commonly appear together and know what the represent. It doesn't teach you to read properly.
I also have all my notes from college which fill in a lot of the blanks left by Budge's work.
Other than that I have many books on all aspects of Ancient Egypt and most give the odd word in Egyptian with translation, or at least the translations of the Pharoahs' names.
The Budge books, though he made a lot of mistakes apparently, are very useful to me and I have learned a lot from them... now I have to get those new books I'm waiting to order from Amazon and find out if what I learned was correct
Happytreehugger
07-02-2004, 12:15 PM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
I have the book How to Read Egyptian Heiroglyphs forgot the authors sorry.
nebhotep
07-03-2004, 12:48 PM
hi
my signature does read 'behold Set! god of evil things (chaos)' i shall have to check the forms, masculine plural is maku (i think) but then maktu is feminine plural i felt it would include ladies present because this covers everyone. you are right tho caradoc and i also recommend 'egyptian grammar' by sir alan gardiner it is old but comphrensive, my source erm well one is 'the tutankhamun prophecies' and i cant remember the others but hu, heka and sia are gods, heka i know for a fact is the god of magic, or rather the magical force which unites the supernatural and natural worlds, hu, words of power and sia god of divine knowledge.
hope this was helpful
nebhotep
Xeper-i-Set
06-30-2004, 11:10 PM
Does anybody know the Egyptian word for "Knowledge"?
KCh
07-01-2004, 04:24 AM
Naught
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Well the verb, to know is comprised of the heiroglyphs usually transliterated into English as R and Kh, followed byt the papyrus scroll determinative. I'm not sure on the pronunciation here but don't you think it's interesting that the ancient Egyptian word for knowledge so closely resembles the Hebrew Ruach, which represents the intellectual mind?
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 10:07 AM
Oops, I missed the important information.
I gave the verb, to know, and you wanted the noun, knowledge. In heiroglyphic writing generally, the stem word, in this case RKh, can be either noun or verb on its own so in this case RKh can mean 'to know' or 'the thing known', the knowledge itself.
nebhotep
07-01-2004, 12:13 PM
hi
the god of divine knowledge was Sia and im sure they used the same word,
nebhotep
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 12:26 PM
I'm not aware of a God by the name of Sia, but you are correct that the word means divine knowledge. It's one of the powers attributed to pharoahs of the Old Kingdom along with Hu, divine speech, and Heka, divine magic. The three powers are usually attributed to various creator Gods and it is they who bestow them on the Pharoah.
Can you give me a source for Sia as a God name please?
Xeper-i-Set
07-01-2004, 05:13 PM
Thanks, Caradoc!
And Nebhotep, what does the phrase in your signature mean?
Caradoc
07-01-2004, 05:31 PM
And Nebhotep, what does the phrase in your signature mean?
My translation would be, "Behold Set, God of Evil." I could be wrong though as the first word appears to be composed of the masculine and feminine forms... so it could mean something else entirely.
I just wanted to post this so I can check it against the real answer if Nebhotep posts it. I'm still learning to read ancient Egyptian you see, and it's actually easier to read the heiroglyphs than the transliteration, so I want to check how I'm doing
insert_name_here
07-02-2004, 07:00 AM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
Caradoc
07-02-2004, 09:38 AM
There are many. Search Amazon. There are even a couple online which I sometimes use but don't have the links for at the moment... Google found them for me so it shouldn't be difficult to find. The online ones both seem to contain the same information and are notr very comprehensive but they are useful if you have a word you want translated. There is nothing on grammar in the sites I know of though so sentence construction can still be difficult even with the words translated.
buddha
07-02-2004, 09:55 AM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
where are also books, who help you translate from the old languages...
i have a very good book, which help me translate the old hiroglyph of egypt...
Caradoc
07-02-2004, 10:12 AM
Would you care to share the title? I only have Budge's Egyptian Language and the Reader, which are of any great use, and I know he is looked down upon these days.
Apart from that I have Understanding Heiroglyphs by Hilary Wilson which I wouldn't recommend as it shows you heiroglyphs and tells you what they mean in English, never giving the Egytian word or an explanation of what makes the particular group of glyphs mean what they do. It really just teaches you recognise groups of heiroglyphs which commonly appear together and know what the represent. It doesn't teach you to read properly.
I also have all my notes from college which fill in a lot of the blanks left by Budge's work.
Other than that I have many books on all aspects of Ancient Egypt and most give the odd word in Egyptian with translation, or at least the translations of the Pharoahs' names.
The Budge books, though he made a lot of mistakes apparently, are very useful to me and I have learned a lot from them... now I have to get those new books I'm waiting to order from Amazon and find out if what I learned was correct
Happytreehugger
07-02-2004, 12:15 PM
How would you learn ancient egyptian, is there a dictionary?
I have the book How to Read Egyptian Heiroglyphs forgot the authors sorry.
nebhotep
07-03-2004, 12:48 PM
hi
my signature does read 'behold Set! god of evil things (chaos)' i shall have to check the forms, masculine plural is maku (i think) but then maktu is feminine plural i felt it would include ladies present because this covers everyone. you are right tho caradoc and i also recommend 'egyptian grammar' by sir alan gardiner it is old but comphrensive, my source erm well one is 'the tutankhamun prophecies' and i cant remember the others but hu, heka and sia are gods, heka i know for a fact is the god of magic, or rather the magical force which unites the supernatural and natural worlds, hu, words of power and sia god of divine knowledge.
hope this was helpful
nebhotep