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Original post: mustang

This is a re-posting of a thread I have put up at astralpulse forums some time back. However I think it of great fascination and of worthy interest, and am sure people here will agree. So I bring it to the attention of occultforums members.....

You all must be thinking, what on earth does astral travel have to do with genetics? What on earth is this mustang on about? Well read on, it's all very incredible.

Here is a true story that you should all find very fascinating. It shows that you cannot so easily separate one aspect of human experience from another, even if they may appear at a glance to occupy completely distinct realms that have nothing to do with one another.

You all may be interested to know that astral travel has a direct bearing on one of the most important inventions pertaining to the natural sciences in the last 30 years. I am referring to the PCR (polymerase chain reaction), a revolutionary technique used to amplify DNA, in turn revolutionising all forms of genetic research and its applications. The PCR is used in medical forensics and diagnostics, specifically in the screening for genetic and infectious diseases, phylogenetic classification (classifying organisms according to their genetic interrelatedness), molecular paleontology and other related fields. It is also used in paternity testing. The PCR allows for an almost unlimited number of highly purified DNA molecules to be amplified for manipulation and analysis.

It was developed in 1983 by Kary Mullis, an American biochemist, and won him a Nobel prize in Chemistry in 1993. The patent of the PCR was sold by the biotech company Cetus which Mullis worked for to another bio-tech Hoffmann-La Roche for 300 million US dollars in 1991. To call the PCR a revolutionary development in microbiology is an understatement. So what does all this have to do with astral travel?

Well Mullis makes it clear in his book Dancing Naked in the Mind Field in a chapter entitled "Intervention on the astral plane", that without someone unknown to him travelling on the astral plane and saving his life in the physical plane of everyday existence (I'll explain), he would never have lived to be around long enough to develop the PCR in the first place!

So what strange occult encounter that saved Mullis's life is he referring to? Well as Mullis describes in the chapter of his book already mentioned, in the 1970s he often used to imbibe nitrous oxide (laughing gas) in order to induce an altered blissful state of consciousness. He used to hook himself up by placing a tube connected to a cylinder of nitrous oxide over his mouth and opening up the valve of the cylinder, the nitrous oxide would be ingested and he would enter NeverNeverland. Although in a blissful state he remained conscious and thus always turned off the valve of the cylinder himself.

However one day things went awry, prior to ingesting the oxide one day, he had taken a powerful antihistamine the night before. He failed to realise how dangerous the aftereffects of the antihistamine were when combined with the nitrous oxide, indeed it almost killed him, for he passed out into unconsciousness as soon as he had ingested some of the gas, with the tube still in his mouth and the valve of the tank still open. However the inexplicable mystery was that he later awoke and found the tube was lying on the floor, out of his mouth, the valve of the cylinder still open and the gas still running out. He called his girlfriend Cynthia who rushed him to hospital, he had frostbitten lips and tongue from the tube. He was fortunate to make a quick recovery, indeed an emergency tracheotomy was even considered.

However the mystery of the tube lying on the floor when he regained consciousness remained. Nobody was staying in his apartment other than him, nobody else could have removed the tube. How had it come of of his mouth if he was unconscious as he was, and he could not have taken it off? People and animals anaesthetised on nitrous oxide don't move a muscle, it is why dental surgeons use the gas, no wriggling or jerking by the patient. Yet unless the tube had been removed from his mouth he would have certainly entered into a coma and would even have most probably died. However having no way to account for what happened, Mullis filed it away in his memory as one of life's inexplicable mysteries and that was that, until.....

One day some years later in 1978, Mullis found himself sitting in his local bakery when in walked a woman he did not know and she walked straight over to his table and introduced herself. Her name was Katherine O'Keefe. There was an instant chemistry between them and they went back to his place and you can imagine the rest. He found her to be unlike anyone he had ever met, she then gave him a shock unlike anything he had ever experienced. She asked him if he had ever figured out who pulled the tube out of his mouth that fateful day back in Kansas? His jaw dropped, nobody but Cynthia and his friend Marc who was working in the hospital that day he was admitted were aware of what had happened to him. He never talked about it. When he could speak again, he asked her how she knew what had happened. She replied, "I was there, and I pulled it out of your mouth. I waited until I was sure you were okay and then I left." He was astounded, how could she have been in his house in Kansas City?

She explained to Kary that she routinely engaged in astral travel and one day in astral flight she saw/sensed him in trouble in his apartment (Mullis does not give the details of how O'Keefe sensed his distress), removed the tube from his mouth while she was in the astral form, saving his life. She sensed at the time that he would later play a role in her life. Naturally they became friends. Katherine later taught Kary some meditation techniques. Shortly thereafter Katherine sadly contracted malignant melanoma and died of the disease.

Mullis tells this tale in the same matter-of-fact style that he relates his experience regarding his invention of the PCR. It almost goes without saying that Mullis is a notable exception as far as scientists accepting the paranormal and occult reality is concerned, especially in the world of microbiology which to an even greater degree than the other branches of the sciences is ruled by the dogma of scientific materialism and reductionism. And that is saying a lot.

So to sum up, if it were not for Katherine in her astral form saving Mullis's life that fateful day, he would never have lived to later develop the PCR.

The scientists and researchers who make use of the PCR and praise its revolutionary applications to microbiology are for the most part caught in reductionist/materialist mindsets as I have already mentioned. For the most part they would scoff at stories of telepathy and psychokinesis, but astral travel and astral dimensions would see them laugh uproariously and dismiss such a topic as delusional and the stuff of fantasy. They would then tell you to stop wasting their time with such outrageous nonsense and let them get back to genuine scientific work employing PCR primers in the amplification of nucleic acid sequences. The irony of all this of course being something they would be completely oblivious to. Who says the gods don't have a sense of humour?

Original post: neoprimate

few weeks back i attended a lecture by a surgeon who became practitioner of acupuncture. he referred to how he had to balance things out in order to secure his title in the 'official medical world'. sure was on fire when he told how he maintained himself in his hara all day, working with those hardheaded scientific staff.
he was specialized in hearth operations and combined this with acupuncture, as a way of alleviating pain etc... the fun thing was he mentioned it was working allright for him, as long he remained in his hara, slapping the belly with a fierce strike.

Original post: Ludi

The scientists and researchers who make use of the PCR and praise its revolutionary applications to microbiology are for the most part caught in reductionist/materialist mindsets as I have already mentioned. For the most part they would scoff at stories of telepathy and psychokinesis, but astral travel and astral dimensions would see them laugh uproariously and dismiss such a topic as delusional and the stuff of fantasy. They would then tell you to stop wasting their time with such outrageous nonsense and let them get back to genuine scientific work employing PCR primers in the amplification of nucleic acid sequences.

Really? It seems to me you're leaping to conclusions and grossly generalizing about these scientists. Do you know them? Have you asked them about this sort of thing?

Original post: mustang

Ludi, in the world of contemporary science the majority of scientists including those in the natural sciences are a priori dismissive of paranormal phenomena. Not all of them obviously (a minority), but the majority in North America and Europe, the UK and elsewhere appear to be dismissive of psi. Parapsychologists can tell you they face a lot of hard stiff opposition having their work accepted, or even looked at in a serious manner by their colleagues in other branches of the sciences. They are subject to routine animosity from the scientific community as a whole, with a few notable exceptions.

A cursory reading of the experiences of parapsychologists themselves, and a passing familiarity with both the history and contemporary world of parapsychology reveals a pervasive hostility to psi from the majority in the sciences. Parapsychologists are subject to relentless ad hominem attacks and the wilfull dismissal of their findings by most of their colleagues in the scientific community. Parapsychological papers are largely (almost entirely) censored out of the mainstream science journals. It is editorial policy at almost all of the mainstream journals such as Nature, Science and Scientific American not to accept such papers for publication. This is just one reason why those engaging in psychical research initiated their own journals. In a recent survey 70% of scientists who are members of the US National Academy of Sciences (the most prestigious academy of sciences in the world) admitted to being atheists. That does not mean most of the other 30% would take the paranormal seriously though.

All (or nearly all) textbooks given to undergrads in the natural and physical sciences in the western world have zilch to say on psychical research. And it is at the undergrad level that science students are conditioned to a particular worldview. Parapsychologists are politely but barely tolerated as members of the AAAS, although a prominent astromomer John Wheeler tried to force them out in '79. And he had a lot of support. CSICOP who routinely lie and engage in all kinds of shenanigans to pour scorn on the paranormal get a lot of support from those in the physical, biological and medical sciences. In fact it is only the support from prestigious scientists that allows CSICOP to be taken seriously at all. To the cost of psi research and science itself, and the public at large.

I also personally know plenty of scientists, esp those in the biological and medical fields (and a fair number of microbiologists). And I can count on one hand those who are even willing to give psychical phenomena any credence. Obviously not all microbiologists are dismissive of psi, but the majority do certainly appear to be hostile. I did use the words "for the most part", so obviously I do not mean ALL microbiologists without exception. That would be a ridiculous assertion.

So yes Ludi I do know a fair number of these scientists and I have asked them about this sort of thing. And their response is usually a hostile or dismissive one. Although like I said there are a fair few exceptions.