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Original post: Calintz

Just had a relatively interesting talk with my friend Ema (Mentioned her way back)




:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:
Emaaaaa..any experience with astral travel?

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

why?

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

geez, jus asking is all.

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

jus wanna know how you get back in when your out

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

>.>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

[/color]it's the only explanation.. everyone had a cord.. like a cord that ties them to the material world

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

there's no way you can get lost in astral

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

i've had mine cut

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

but...your spose to die if tha happens

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

it lets you wander deeper

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

are ye fuck, lolol

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

O-o;;....

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

how did it get cut?

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

if that was ture, i'd be dead, wouldn't i??

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

Rabb..

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

>.>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

[/color]he done it for me

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

ahh...well...hopefully that wont happen XD

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

n he opened my astral wings too

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

t'was all very deep!

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

whassit look like?

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

teh whole astral plane^

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

whatever your mind allows it to look like

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

hmmm..oh well.

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

sometimes

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

i see it like a misty silver n white plane

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

nothing there, but everything in it

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

sometimes i go to my hiding place.. in an oasis

:: [Ayr] -[VTｯﾉ]-[ I don't live, i exist ][ Clarity ] :: says:

i remember you mentioning that place once or twice.

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

yup yup

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

sometimes it could be mountains

Ema>>"..Fake plastic Trees.." says:

whatever my mind lets it be



I thought you Died once your astral cord was cut?...Apparently not according to her, it takes you 'deeper'
Yeah, i'm going to try astral projection/travel tonight and shes giving me the 'your a noob, stop trying to be a pro' ( I have little or no magickal exp under my belt) So blah. Interesting, thought i may as well share it with yawl, see what cha think.

Original post: Red Devil

That's one of the most stupid things you can do... that's like leaving a bottle open at the end of a table, waiting to be pushed. If you're not careful, any entity can enter your body easily and make it a new home for him/her/whatever. The silver cord is the only thing that binds you to your body, making the border line for safe stuff much more noticeable...

Original post: Calintz

Well, thanks for the reply. I've been doing the astral excercises for two nights and have been feeling 'things' So i'm hoping that by the end of the week it should all be sorted out, done an dusted. I've decided to give it a rest though for tonight, just hope it doesn't mess up my practice. Thanks again Red, just wanted to clear it up ^_^

Original post: NecroMage

Ema may not be dead now, but any slight disturbance could technically cause death at any moment. The silver cord is our only anchor, our only security to our body, and mind. I just hope Ema is ready for that large and permanent step... I suppose that sooner or later we all have to become ready for it, but I think for most people, they would choose later.

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Seems a little too literal saying an imaginary silver cord is really the only mitigating factor between us and bodily death from astral discoporeality or somesuch

Original post: Illuminous

The best theory I read on the subject said that your soul doesn't leave your body when you project. So all your doing is transfering your conciousness into one of your higher bodies leaving your etheric body behind to take care of all your bodily processes (Heart beat, etc) The silver cord cannot be cut since its only an energetic connection between bodies. I hope that makes sense?

Original post: DropAndRiver

The cord cannot be real. The cord is merely a symbol that your mind sees so that you are not afraid and you dont feel like you are in a dangerous situation. I have heard that many people see it in the beginning, but it fades away as their fear fades away. Some never see it at all. It just doesnt make sense that a cord is the only thing keeping you from being possesed or dead. Astral nasties would cut the cord regardless of whether we are in the astral plane or not. I hate to imagine that existence is that fragile. Maybe if someone in the astral plane cut your 'cord' they really were helping the person. Perhaps that would help them overcome their fear and ideas that they are limited in distance of how far they can travel. It looks shady, but may not be.

Original post: NecroMage

The silver cord is indeed a real object, rather than a symbol. I did not myself believe that it existed until I saw it myself. It is not simple to cut at all, though. The cord uses the normal higher-level protection whereas it repairs itself using the energy of the things it connects. In order to cut it, one must either bypass this security somehow (usually with consent from the person in question) or remove the energy of both sources, virtually killing the person already. I am certain that there are other protections as well, but I am not aware of them.

As for the fragility of our existance? Indeed, it is very fragile. Looking from the perspective of the physical body, for example. In order to render your body irrecoverably dead, a one centimeter diameter incision could be sufficient, in the correct place. You could, as has happend to people before, trip and fall from only the height of your own body and die from it, due to trauma to the brain. I would say that if a mere fall can kill you, your life is quite fragile.

The astral body is no different. Any slight wind could tear a weaker person to nothingness. A person who has used most of their energy could be killed by a simple ripple of the Chaos. Even I, with all my experience and energy, nearly had my life taken by a tiny whirlpool as I was poking around. The world is very dangerous, and having a sense of security can be comforting, but it would be most folly.

Original post: Illuminous

I'd have to disagree about the astral body being fragile. How can you destroy a spirit?

I've never heard of the astral wind phenomena being harmful. Ripple of chaos? Tiny whirlpool? you sure your talking about astral projection? Sounds like you had a bad dream to me.

Original post: Red Devil

A spirit, although it's a higher entity (considering us already as physical entities), it's still made of energy. If you deprive it of energy, or take it from the spirit, they're destroyed... it's as simple as that.

Original post: Horus

Some people don't even have a cord when they project.

Original post: DropAndRiver

Just because you see something, does not make it real. The very fact that it exists on the astral means it involves a thought or two...so seeing something on the astral is VERY misleading. The astral is all of our collective imagination, so symbols are right at home there.

Original post: Illuminous

"A spirit, although it's a higher entity (considering us already as physical entities), it's still made of energy. If you deprive it of energy, or take it from the spirit, they're destroyed... it's as simple as that."

That doesn't make sense since the spirit is connected to an infinite source of energy (God or whatever you wish to call it)

Original post: Red Devil

[QUOTE=Illuminous]That doesn't make sense since the spirit is connected to an infinite source of energy (God or whatever you wish to call it)[/QUOTE]
You touch a fulcral point in there. Even if the spirit is connected to an infinite source of energy, a psion skilled enough or a trained magickian can block the income of the energy. It's just a matter of finding the link (or links) and cutting them and/or redirecting them to you or somewhere else.

Original post: Illuminous

How can you be disconnected from something that is everything? Theres nothing outside to be disconnected to. Quantum mechanics along with many eastern traditions say we're all the same energy. Seperation is only an illusion.

Original post: Illuminous

My bad I meant quantum physics.

Original post: Anathema_Oracle

Last time I checked, my quarks weren't telling me about how I'm the same as my dogs quarks.

It's like saying we're all carbon based life forms ergo we're all the same??

Original post: Illuminous

Your thinking from a physical plane perspective. I'm talking about what many eastern traditions talk about when they say theres only one energy and it manifests everything. In Buddhism you are your dog and your everything else too. The only thing stopping you from seeing that is your mind. Supposedly when you become enlightened you experiance your connection to everything else. I think its a really nice idea and if reality is shaped by your beliefs then you could have worse.

No I'm not a Buddhist.

Original post: Illuminous

Last time I checked, my quarks weren't telling me about how I'm the same as my dogs quarks.

I think its very impressive that you can hear what your quarks are saying to you. I wonder what mine would say to me?

Original post: NecroMage

If we are to question the very fundamentals of the astral, such as whether spirits can or cannot be destroyed, or whether or not the silver cord exists, then we have failed as magicians. If you have to ask, then you should probably try a different field, such as philosophy or mathematics; subjects where logic rules. There is nothing rational, nothing explainable about the astral, and the only way we can talk about it is if we have relatively equal levels of experience. Either you know there is a silver cord or you do not, it is not debatable. I see absolutely no reason why there should even be a discussion about these kinds of things...

Original post: Red Devil

[QUOTE=Illuminous]How can you be disconnected from something that is everything? Theres nothing outside to be disconnected to. Quantum mechanics along with many eastern traditions say we're all the same energy. Seperation is only an illusion.[/QUOTE]
We can be connected to something that is everything, but does that mean that by we being connected to it, that we're everything as well? We're fragments of that everything, but not necessarily belonging to the integral part, but rather to independent parts that are linked to it. But it's just my theory.

Original post: Illuminous

Necromage the whole point of the occult is pursuit of truth. If you don't ask questions how do you hope to find any answers? I don't think its for you to judge anyones level or abilities let alone if they're worthy enough to study the occult. I'll do as I please thanks all the same.

Red devil, I used to think that was true too (the whole we're framents of the whole) But my experiances with altered states of concoiusness showed me that this body and ego really wasn't who I was. When you look in a mirror and you feel like your watching a stranger it can make you think. I hope I'm not upsetting anyone, it just seems so obvious to me sometimes that I'm shocked when people don't see it. I'm not here to tread on anyones toes or say my ideas are better than everyone elses. Just like to get what I see across.

Original post: Calintz

Well, its been nine or so days since i actually 'attempted' astral travel with little or no success (thought i should throw in my results) the closest i got was about three nights ago when half asleep i felt like i was buzzing or..kinda moving without moving really...and thats about it. Blah, its...really painful to your pride an confidence >._<

Original post: Illuminous

Don't be discouraged it sounds like you were really close. Some people experiance vibrations just before they seperate. Thats the worst part in my opinion because as soon as I feel the vibrations I usually get excited and botch the whole attempt.

Original post: Kazahel

I dont think I had a cord when I astral travelled...I wouldve noticed it. Mabey its self created as a kind of security blanket for the unsure? Dunno...