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Original post: Nero

I have been working with the book, "Out of Body Experences:How to have them and what to expect."

I have been following his suggestions and at first had great progression with his techniques but I am now at the point where I am trying to AP but so far no such luck.

I began very simply every night before I go to bed I tell myself and my higher self that I want to project and to help me do it. Then I lay there and try the various methods to do so. I can most times get the good swaying feeling back and forth that has been discribed that you get right before you project but that is all. I get the swaying feeling and "go with it" and it makes it stronger for a little while then nothing happens. It reaches a point then begins to go away. I am still in my body and I quit for the night and go to sleep. Am I doing something wrong or do I just need more practice?

I will keep on keeping on with this practice but I am unsure if persistance will pay off or if I am missing something...

Original post: Crash Test Dummy

What exact method are you using? I've never read that book, so I don't know what he's telling you to do. I personally love the "rope" method if you've heard of it. Works on tactile sense instead of "willing yourself." You most likely are worrying about it way too much, if you've gotten to the heavy vibes portion of the show and haven't gotten past it. Sounds like cold feet, but then again, people have hugely variant AP abilities. I've known some people who haven't been able to project after years of study, and others who just did it accidentally one day, and can basically do it whenever they want. All it really takes is training, and experimenting with various methods if the one you're using isn't working out.

I'm throwing in another plug for the rope method, and you can find its link here:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/rbruce5.html

The reason I love this method is that I can rely on my sense of touch. It's much easier for me to imagine grabbing a rope and pulling myself up, feeling the tension in my hands, than it is for me to imagine all the other things they had me visualizing with other methods. I can't remember if any of the other methods have you actually opening chakras and whatnot or just relaxing. If anything (because I'm not wholly convinced of chakras), simply doing the exercises they recommend will relax you enough so that you're not overanalyzing your AP session while you're doing it.

More practice definitely can't hurt anything, but if you're going crazy every night trying to do it then you probably won't have much success. You're really close, but I think you still have a relatively long way to go, but that first moment when you snap out of your body is pretty intense. Once you pass that, the next hurdle is going to be making sure you get out for some noticeable amount of time before you freak and slam back into your body - I know that's how my learning experience went.

Original post: Nero

The two main methods the book outlines is first relaxation then create a swaying motion inside your body. Once you get the sway "high" enough you will break away from your body. I can get the sway pretty good as I said. Some nights are better than others but I have never gotten high enough I guess.

The other method is very similer to your rope method. You visualize a box or something like it above your forhead and see it move and vibrate up and down. You get yourself to move with it and once you have that down you "grab" onto the box and pull yourself out. I have had mixed success with this method. Mainly I get an odd sensation that my bones are being pulled through my skin.

Maybe I am trying too hard but I will keep trying.

Original post: visceral/spagyrical

That's what I use. One of the quickest ways to get into trance is to create an image of yourself sitting across from you. Then project yourself into the image until you're facing the wall behind your physical body. It's a really hard visualization to keep up, which is why it forces you into trance after a matter of seconds.

In theory, once you get there all you gotta do is get up, but I haven't tried that part, yet. I'm still struggling with visions. I had a very traumatic experience with waking visions when I was 13 until I was 19, so I'm just now getting into visualization even though I've been practicing alchemy for about 5 years.

v/s

Original post: Crash Test Dummy

Hmm, you are very close; now you just need to "rip" yourself out of your physical body. For your box method, you said that it feels like your bones are being torn through your body, but do you hear any sounds? When I do it, I feel that I'm inside a jet engine and at first, the sound was enough to knock me out of trance. I haven't experienced the feeling that my bones are being ripped out, per se, but it is similar. It feels like I'm a giant plug inside a drain, and when I start to AP, the plug gets removed and I get "sucked" somewhere else. It's pretty unsettling at first, but the sounds and feelings are rules of the game that you have to accept before going any further.

Since you seem to be having more success with the "waves" method, I'll try to figure out some things you can try out. I'm not sure if simply visualizing swaying is enough to rip you out of your body. You seem to have loosened yourself up to right before the point when you can AP, but without actually crossing over, but you need some additional pressure on your astral body. You've loosened the chain, and just need to break it now.

I have a few more questions though, are you able to move your astral arms? Feet maybe? Have you hit the paralysis stage (not everyone has this, though)? Can you see through your eyelids right at the end? You can start slowly like that (attempting to move your astral hands and feet), and end with the head, because it's notoriously hard to dislodge your astral head sometimes (I have no idea why). Using the waves method, I think you'll have to sway yourself to the point where you think that it's almost too much swaying, because the amount of pressure that you'll have to exert over your entire body is much greater than if you focus your energies in one point (using the rope). Exerting astral pressure is kind of a tricky business though, but it is possible to do it.

I seem to remember another way people have been able to AP, but I can't seem to find it online. Essentially, you "roll" your astral self out of your body, like you're getting out of bed. You just flip your astral self out of the body, quick and easy. It gets the same result as my earlier suggestions, but it's more akin to pulling off a Band Aid quickly as opposed to prying it off slowly. Some people like to inch their way into cold water, others like to just jump completely in; it's really up to you. Take a deep breath, and get in the water.

If this doesn't help, keep trying. I wish you the best of luck.

Original post: Nero

What you said about "loosened up" seems to fit. When I get the swaying going very good it gets to a point where I do not feel my body, only the swaying. Of course when this occurs to me I instantly feel my body again but after a few more minutes I am back to not feeling it. This is the problem I am having. I figured if I am at the point where I can no longer feel my body then I am loose but this is the point where nothing else happens. I am unsure how to cross this point.

To answear your questions, No I do not hear any sounds and no I cannot move my astral limbs. Well I have never tried actually. If you reach the point where you cannot feel your body how do you will yourself to move a astal arm instead of your physical arm?

I will try the roll out you suggested.

Original post: Nero

I reread the ROPE technique and I sat down and chatted with my higher self. He said that instead of asking him to help me project to tell him to do it for me and he will.

I will not get the chance to do it tongiht but I will tomarrow night and I will let you know how it goes. Conversations with my higher self are vague at best but some how I know it will work. I guess that confidence is a good sign that it was real and not just talking to myself. I will keep you informed. Thanks for you help.

Original post: azi dahaka

i know i didn't help much (or at all for that matter), but good luck anyway...

Original post: visceral/spagyrical

Indeed, good luck, Nero.

You'll get it.

v/s

Original post: Ludi

Is it possible for someone in the astral to "pull" someone else into the astral?

Original post: Isyron

First - To nero - when swaying, think of a swing - I've never tried this method, but it's all in the interpretation. You can let a swing go for so long and it'll carry you - even pumping the swing: eventually you get in to the flow of pumping it. But you can only get so high with this natural flow, if not only maintain a certain hight - you have to push further once you get to this point of constantness.

In reference to the rope method - I use a similar one - I climb a ladder - I can see my hands going up the rungs, one over the other - I can feel my biceps and triceps working to pull me up. It's all in the visualization, because until you're out - that's all it is - the perception.
Another thing - you mentioned somethign about noticing yourself achieving and then you loose it once you notice it. It seems to me that you may be taking it in too much and loosing your focus because of this. I know it's tough, but if you're going to acknowledge things in this meditative state, you have to do it underneath what's important. If you can't, just don't notice anything else. That, too, is tough. I know - but it's practice.

In response to Ludi - I'm under the impression that people you see in the astral are the astral bodies. You can talk to your mom in the astral, but when you talk to them the next day they wont know what you're talking about. People you meet along the way are astral, so you can't really pull them in to the astral, as they're already there. If that makes since. BUT, even if you CAN do it, you still have to be stronger than them - not physically, but in will power, and being able to be trusted. They wont go astral if you force them and they're scared. They must be completely willing to go astral.

Original post: Ludi

You can talk to your mom in the astral, but when you talk to them the next day they wont know what you're talking about.

Hmm, not sure that makes sense, if you are conscious inthe astral, why aren't they conscious in the astral? Perhaps they are in a dream state. Others I've spken to about this say you can meet people in the astral and both parties will be conscious of the experience.

I was wondering if someone in the astral could "pull" a willing person into the astral from the physical, is what I was asking. For instance, if someone here on OF who can predictably go into the astral, could they pull me into it?

Original post: shodin

why not try it at different times a day? maybe you're more in the mood on a other moment that you normally would take... i would be practicing before sleep and that didn't work for me, in the morning or afternoon i have the best chances on succes.

Original post: Isyron

[QUOTE=Ludi]Hmm, not sure that makes sense, if you are conscious inthe astral, why aren't they conscious in the astral? Perhaps they are in a dream state. Others I've spken to about this say you can meet people in the astral and both parties will be conscious of the experience.

I was wondering if someone in the astral could "pull" a willing person into the astral from the physical, is what I was asking. For instance, if someone here on OF who can predictably go into the astral, could they pull me into it?[/QUOTE]
Okay - it's hard to defferintiate between people who have projected, and people you see on the astral. If you've projected in to the astral and then proceed to move on and see someone familiar, then, unless they've projected, they wont remember. My theory of this is that everyone has a constant astral body to be met on the astral plain, but unless they have projected their physical being in to this astral form, no recollection of any experiences will be made.

You can go on to meet with others who have projected, and they will fully remember everything, just as you have. You can go on to play a board game, to spar, or to have wild monkey sex with them, and they'll remember, but that's because they actually projected.

Original post: Isyron

[QUOTE=shodin]why not try it at different times a day? maybe you're more in the mood on a other moment that you normally would take... i would be practicing before sleep and that didn't work for me, in the morning or afternoon i have the best chances on succes.[/QUOTE]
Different times are excellent. I read a book, I think it may be the same book as Nero, where he talks about his experiences with other times of day in which he projected.

I've heard about people waking themselves midway through sleep - about 2 hours before they got a good night's sleep of 8 hours. And then they would go back and try to project from here. This helps because you're already in that relaxed state.

Original post: Ludi

That makes sense Isyron.

Original post: Jenfucius

If you still have trouble astro traveling- jump out of a window.:lol:

Original post: Ludi

Oh har har har!

Original post: Isyron

[QUOTE=Jenfucius]If you still have trouble astro traveling- jump out of a window.:lol:[/QUOTE]
Not to ruin the humor, well.. actually, kinda to, even though I'm laughing, there is a point to that. If the window's high enough, and you die on impact, then POOF - there you go ^^ Off to the astral. Well - according to 99% of people who have tried it... Supposedly you can meet with the deceased on the astral. I plan on meeting the Big Man himself and asking him a few things when I get there. But I havn't gotten to it yet... Hell... I havn't even been able to get vibrations lately... It's kind of bugging me

Original post: morrigan

i had the same problem until i started taking out all of my earrings...a stupid oversight on my part...

Original post: Nero

Just an update. I finally got the chance to put everything together last night and try it out. I failed but I got closer than I ever have before.

I started out with swinging, then moved on to the rope technique. I would go back and forth with these until I suddenly noticed that I was no longer attached to my body but I was still in it, if that makes any sense.


I attempted to "roll out" of my body by leaning to the side where I was going to fall off the bed and out of my body. I was right on the edge of the roll and I suddenly got hit by a huge wave of fear. I feel back into my body and was unable to get back out the rest of the night. I didn't get out but I am incouraged that I am now very close.


Thanks again everyone!

Original post: Isyron

Awesome! That's wonderful Nero! I'm so happy for you! I'm kind of jealous too! I've reached all the way out, save for my head. Think I've mentioned this.

Anyways! Try just lifting up towards the ceiling, instead of rolling off the bed. I think the excitement of floating up is better than the fear of falling and hitting the floor. For this, just see the ceiling getting closer to you.

I understand the whole "out of your body, but still in it" thing. I think anyone who's reached a certain point in astral projection will.

Keep it up man! Hopefully we'll see you on the astral!

Original post: shodin

i try to practice multiple times a day
shorten my night rest so that i can easily sleep at days. have been trying this for a week orso, now i have 2 sleeps (about 7 hours a night and 1 hour a day) and in that day hour i can remember my dreams easily. also i let myself fall asleep and try everytime to grasp a little more awareness before letting go, by this i hope to gain some insight in the sleeping mechanism.
so i hope that after some practice i will be able to enter the dreamstate without losing to much consciousness...

Original post: shodin

i forgot to tell that this is my practice to learn how to get asleep easily
since that was -and still is- a bit my problem with astral projection...
have practiced a long time before and only got there asleep; i would practice and then fallasleep and enter lucid dream and go from there to other realms.

Original post: Ludi

I have a problem with maintaining consciousness while allowing the body to fall asleep. Any tips?