Time frames - making psi balls, ect. - repost
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:57 pm
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07-07-2004, 12:18 PM #1
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Time frames, making psi-balls, etc.
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Originally Posted by Peebrain from PsiPog.net
I used to (and still do) get hung up on "how long should this take." Just forget it... who cares. It takes however long it'll take. That's usually the rule .
Reading that quote, I still feel compelled to post this thread, possibly out of a need for affirmation, and to a lesser degree out of curiosity.
What is the general time frame for psionics? Let's get particular: what's the general time frame for making psi-balls? It seems like I've read posts--on OF and elsewhere--of people who are able to catch onto making psi-balls in just a few minutes, and get something substantial. Is this common, or is it true (as in virtually all other occult endeavors) that the time is set by the person, and that there is no standard?
Now one could ask, why would I even bother with this question if I probably already know the answer? I'm not sure that I do know the answer, though. Psionics is probably the most "scientific" of all the occult paths I've taken, and it seems fitting in this field more so than in others to ask the question of whether I'm doing something right or wrong. Or, let me rephrase: should the fact that it's taking me a while to make psi-balls be attributed to time or to technique? If it's time, then I can be patient and wait, no problem. If it's technique, then importantly, I should be conscious of that and make a change.
What do ya'll think?
Apologies if I insulted anyone's intelligence. I think we all need a hug now and then, and maybe that's what I'm asking for!
Namaste,
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07-07-2004, 12:52 PM #2
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Construct making is fairly easy for me, perhaps natural *shrugs* Generally a psiball or minor construct takes between 15-40 seconds depending on how dense I want it to be. Note that's just a construct with shape, color, minor programming, etc (A simple 'psiball' takes between 5 and 30 seconds depending on how dense once again) Shields can take from one minute to four to thirty depedning on depth of programming. All from my experiences.
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07-07-2004, 12:57 PM #3
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Construct making is fairly easy for me, perhaps natural *shrugs* Generally a psiball or minor construct takes between 15-40 seconds depending on how dense I want it to be. Note that's just a construct with shape, color, minor programming, etc (A simple 'psiball' takes between 5 and 30 seconds depending on how dense once again) Shields can take from one minute to four to thirty depedning on depth of programming. All from my experiences.
Fantastic, thanks.
Also, I think I was a little unclear. I didn't mean so much "how long does it take to make a psi-ball?" as "how long does it take to get GOOD at making psi-balls?" That is, does it take a few days, weeks, or months to actually get to the point where you can make a psi-ball that you can feel/sense?
That's what I'd meant originally, though I'm also interested in other answers similar to Aodh's: how long does it take you to make a psi-ball or minor construct when you actually set out to do so?
Tangentially, am I supposed to be able to make and sense a psi-ball the first time I try it? So far, I'm not sure that I have... or maybe I just don't know that I'm feeling something when I actually do. I know I can feel some heat, but I think it's just body heat; every once in a while the heat will kind of peak, but then die out again. I don't feel any pressure yet.
Thanks!
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07-07-2004, 01:30 PM #4
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"how long does it take to get GOOD at making psi-balls?" That is, does it take a few days, weeks, or months to actually get to the point where you can make a psi-ball that you can feel/sense?
That's what I'd meant originally, though I'm also interested in other answers similar to Aodh's: how long does it take you to make a psi-ball or minor construct when you actually set out to do so?
Time required for making psi-balls is something completely subjective as you suspect Genostar. It has not much to do with actual time though, I think it depends solely on your technique to make them. With practice, your records will always get better although some people begin with a better feel of the whole process(so achieve better times first off). Anyway, to give you a statistic answer, I'd say an average psi-ball needs roughly 5-30 seconds to be made, depending on your skill, concentration, density and programming of the psi-ball.
Here's an example concerning time and Telekinesis. It is not psi-balls but I think it puts my point across. They say that, usually, it takes from a few days to six months of practice in order to get results with Telekinesis. When I tried it, I got results from the first hour of practice but was unable to manage it unless I spent a long time of concentration upon the psi-weel(about half an hour). With practice, I managed to get a better feel of the procedure and now I usually need seconds to move the psi-weel slightly.
Also, time needed to make a "good" psi-ball(i.e. one you can easily sense as you said) has a few factors you need to consider: Your ability to manipulate the energy/chi inside your body, the amount of concentration you have at the moment of creating the psi-ball, the amount of your perception concerning energy(when perception is abundant, you'll be able to sense weak psi-balls so you'll get "good" psi-balls without much skill on manipulating energy. On the other hand, when having low perception you will have to do wonders on manipulation and density of your psi-ball in order to clearly feel/perceive it). I would recomend trying to increase both skill and perception and your results will be a lot more concrete in the future...
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Tangentially, am I supposed to be able to make and sense a psi-ball the first time I try it? So far, I'm not sure that I have... or maybe I just don't know that I'm feeling something when I actually do. I know I can feel some heat, but I think it's just body heat; every once in a while the heat will kind of peak, but then die out again. I don't feel any pressure yet.
The results you get sound very good, I felt it like body heat too...it took me some time to see the slight difference between body heat and energy heat but now I find the two feelings distinct. At first, it is common to concider it body heat though...
As for not getting pressure, don't worry. I don't get pressure either. Keep in mind, energy perception is quite subjective...some people feel it like a temprature change, others like pressure, others like a breeze, others "see" it with their eyes...etc. Your results are as valid as anyone else's. Keep up the good work, you'll get better and clearer results as you practice
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07-07-2004, 01:46 PM #5
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The time it takes to advance with ANY psionic or magickal ability varies from person to person. It relies quite a bit on your determination. I myself ultimately DON'T 'feel' or 'sense' any of the constructs I make in such an objective way as many. I tend to just 'know' it's there at a certain point and generally if I'm still unsure or it's important I have it verified by a scan. I'm confident in my ability as I've successfully scanned others constructs and recieved my info in teh same way but I do sometimes wish I really felt it or something. Generally people will sense what you do, 'see' something, feel a magnetic pull, tingling, or like me just 'know. It all depends as well.
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07-07-2004, 03:59 PM #6
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i haven't been able to make a good psi ball, well once,
all i do is play with it between my fingers,because its 'goop'y and sticks finger to finger, but snaps when i pull 'em apart.... i made a psi ball just by thinking 'marble' whilst doing this, and it looked very dense..reeeeeeeallly wavey background.. but now my psi apears blueish, not clear n wavey now more ..but on general, i takeabout 3 minutes for a nice one, never tryed longer..
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Time frames, making psi-balls, etc.
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Originally Posted by Peebrain from PsiPog.net
I used to (and still do) get hung up on "how long should this take." Just forget it... who cares. It takes however long it'll take. That's usually the rule .
Reading that quote, I still feel compelled to post this thread, possibly out of a need for affirmation, and to a lesser degree out of curiosity.
What is the general time frame for psionics? Let's get particular: what's the general time frame for making psi-balls? It seems like I've read posts--on OF and elsewhere--of people who are able to catch onto making psi-balls in just a few minutes, and get something substantial. Is this common, or is it true (as in virtually all other occult endeavors) that the time is set by the person, and that there is no standard?
Now one could ask, why would I even bother with this question if I probably already know the answer? I'm not sure that I do know the answer, though. Psionics is probably the most "scientific" of all the occult paths I've taken, and it seems fitting in this field more so than in others to ask the question of whether I'm doing something right or wrong. Or, let me rephrase: should the fact that it's taking me a while to make psi-balls be attributed to time or to technique? If it's time, then I can be patient and wait, no problem. If it's technique, then importantly, I should be conscious of that and make a change.
What do ya'll think?
Apologies if I insulted anyone's intelligence. I think we all need a hug now and then, and maybe that's what I'm asking for!
Namaste,
Genostar
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07-07-2004, 12:52 PM #2
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Construct making is fairly easy for me, perhaps natural *shrugs* Generally a psiball or minor construct takes between 15-40 seconds depending on how dense I want it to be. Note that's just a construct with shape, color, minor programming, etc (A simple 'psiball' takes between 5 and 30 seconds depending on how dense once again) Shields can take from one minute to four to thirty depedning on depth of programming. All from my experiences.
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Construct making is fairly easy for me, perhaps natural *shrugs* Generally a psiball or minor construct takes between 15-40 seconds depending on how dense I want it to be. Note that's just a construct with shape, color, minor programming, etc (A simple 'psiball' takes between 5 and 30 seconds depending on how dense once again) Shields can take from one minute to four to thirty depedning on depth of programming. All from my experiences.
Fantastic, thanks.
Also, I think I was a little unclear. I didn't mean so much "how long does it take to make a psi-ball?" as "how long does it take to get GOOD at making psi-balls?" That is, does it take a few days, weeks, or months to actually get to the point where you can make a psi-ball that you can feel/sense?
That's what I'd meant originally, though I'm also interested in other answers similar to Aodh's: how long does it take you to make a psi-ball or minor construct when you actually set out to do so?
Tangentially, am I supposed to be able to make and sense a psi-ball the first time I try it? So far, I'm not sure that I have... or maybe I just don't know that I'm feeling something when I actually do. I know I can feel some heat, but I think it's just body heat; every once in a while the heat will kind of peak, but then die out again. I don't feel any pressure yet.
Thanks!
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"how long does it take to get GOOD at making psi-balls?" That is, does it take a few days, weeks, or months to actually get to the point where you can make a psi-ball that you can feel/sense?
That's what I'd meant originally, though I'm also interested in other answers similar to Aodh's: how long does it take you to make a psi-ball or minor construct when you actually set out to do so?
Time required for making psi-balls is something completely subjective as you suspect Genostar. It has not much to do with actual time though, I think it depends solely on your technique to make them. With practice, your records will always get better although some people begin with a better feel of the whole process(so achieve better times first off). Anyway, to give you a statistic answer, I'd say an average psi-ball needs roughly 5-30 seconds to be made, depending on your skill, concentration, density and programming of the psi-ball.
Here's an example concerning time and Telekinesis. It is not psi-balls but I think it puts my point across. They say that, usually, it takes from a few days to six months of practice in order to get results with Telekinesis. When I tried it, I got results from the first hour of practice but was unable to manage it unless I spent a long time of concentration upon the psi-weel(about half an hour). With practice, I managed to get a better feel of the procedure and now I usually need seconds to move the psi-weel slightly.
Also, time needed to make a "good" psi-ball(i.e. one you can easily sense as you said) has a few factors you need to consider: Your ability to manipulate the energy/chi inside your body, the amount of concentration you have at the moment of creating the psi-ball, the amount of your perception concerning energy(when perception is abundant, you'll be able to sense weak psi-balls so you'll get "good" psi-balls without much skill on manipulating energy. On the other hand, when having low perception you will have to do wonders on manipulation and density of your psi-ball in order to clearly feel/perceive it). I would recomend trying to increase both skill and perception and your results will be a lot more concrete in the future...
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Tangentially, am I supposed to be able to make and sense a psi-ball the first time I try it? So far, I'm not sure that I have... or maybe I just don't know that I'm feeling something when I actually do. I know I can feel some heat, but I think it's just body heat; every once in a while the heat will kind of peak, but then die out again. I don't feel any pressure yet.
The results you get sound very good, I felt it like body heat too...it took me some time to see the slight difference between body heat and energy heat but now I find the two feelings distinct. At first, it is common to concider it body heat though...
As for not getting pressure, don't worry. I don't get pressure either. Keep in mind, energy perception is quite subjective...some people feel it like a temprature change, others like pressure, others like a breeze, others "see" it with their eyes...etc. Your results are as valid as anyone else's. Keep up the good work, you'll get better and clearer results as you practice
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The time it takes to advance with ANY psionic or magickal ability varies from person to person. It relies quite a bit on your determination. I myself ultimately DON'T 'feel' or 'sense' any of the constructs I make in such an objective way as many. I tend to just 'know' it's there at a certain point and generally if I'm still unsure or it's important I have it verified by a scan. I'm confident in my ability as I've successfully scanned others constructs and recieved my info in teh same way but I do sometimes wish I really felt it or something. Generally people will sense what you do, 'see' something, feel a magnetic pull, tingling, or like me just 'know. It all depends as well.
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i haven't been able to make a good psi ball, well once,
all i do is play with it between my fingers,because its 'goop'y and sticks finger to finger, but snaps when i pull 'em apart.... i made a psi ball just by thinking 'marble' whilst doing this, and it looked very dense..reeeeeeeallly wavey background.. but now my psi apears blueish, not clear n wavey now more ..but on general, i takeabout 3 minutes for a nice one, never tryed longer..