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Original post: durki

It has been reported that LSD produces an altered state and when subject is suggested to go back in time, he passes through reliving various species of life to end up finally as matter.

Original post: doh

Well, it might be helpful to know where you got this information and how you came to this conclusion. I, personally, highly doubt it.

Original post: Raze108

The problem with using drugs for such matters is that your too easily open to suggestion. Its more likely any results would be pure imagination.

Though if it works it sounds dangerous to take sombody back to the point of being pure matter. How would you bring them back? If they have awarness at that level surely you would/could discover the secrets of everything.

Original post: spiritalk

There actually were studies done on how drugs can aid or not the psychic journey. It was found to be a dangerous game and not worthy of any results attained. Eileen Garrett of the UK was one of the test mediums in Spiritualism to be a part of various studies of mediumship.


God bless, J

Original post: durki

STANISLAV GROF, M.D. , has been in forefront of work in this field. Dr. Grof is the author of LSD Psychotherapy, Beyond the Brain, and The Adventure of Self-Discovery.

Original post: tiberseptim

It sounds like your talking about tim leary's sixth circuit. Its called the neurogenetic circuit. Robert Anton Wilson(a good friend of Leary's) believes that in that circuit one is in direct communication with their DNA, and also their own genetic history which is what i think your talking about. Its an interesting subject but to be honest i haven't taken LSD yet and having direct connection to your DNA sounds a little out there. But i love RAW's work anyway, you might like to read it too:D. If you search LSD on New Scientist youll see that their beggining to resume research on LSD.

Original post: martin_alas

[QUOTE=Raze108;246040]The problem with using drugs for such matters is that your too easily open to suggestion. Its more likely any results would be pure imagination.[/QUOTE]

Totally. Suggested hallucination is a definite possibility.

The real test, as with any sort of "psychic" experience, is to what extent the experience can be verified objectively and in what way.

Hmmm... Just killing time.... it would take multiple subjects, and their experiences would all have to agree. The hard part is that you would have to elimate any possibility of "priming." The questioning/suggestion would have to be completely free of any direction even toward the idea of reincarnation. And more than that, to truly have an unbiased imagination, the subjects themselves would really need to be unfamiliar with the concept of reincarnation or at least sincerely disbelieve the concept.

So... repeatable, similar results from multiple subjects who are in no way primed toward the possibility of a purely imaginative experience involving the concept of reincarnation.... that's what you would need for it to begin to gain credibility.

The possibility of the experience being purely a suggested hallucination is far too simple and efficient of an answer to consider more complex options without that first, simpler possibility being completely ruled out in some way.

All that being said... Do I believe in the possibility of the experience being real? Sure! It's totally a possibility! I believe that some chemicals can temporarily alter the functioning of the brain in ways that would otherwise take years of development - tuning it in to other wavelengths of consciousness.

The problem is that those years of development are the years that teach a person to distinguish between a legitimate Intuition of Reality and an illegitimate creation of Creative Imagination. That's part of the point of the preparation. You know?

Just my inexperienced two...

peace and L.V.X.,

martin

Original post: Alfheim

Its better not to use drugs at all, but to use meditation to create a visonary state. It takes longer but its worth it, drugs can be dangerous.

Original post: spiritalk

Starting from where science left off, I would questions whether there is much to be gained by opening that study again? Residual effects might be considered in gaining subjects.

God bless, J

Original post: mahedittaions

fuck that bullshit eat enough pure clean L-25 and youll see that there is no time for real and that you should just be gratefully dead

Original post: Mystagogue

LSd builds your soul in fact away from this nonexistance, it dissolves the ego into everything , while keeping everything geometrically intact. nonexistance is ketamine and thinking out your problems is a way of destroying ketamine. it bonds with acid but these things are the euchrist and the antichrist respectivly in actual reality. This belief that LSD is a way to nonexistance is only the natural ketamine of the honky who told you this talking that exists from him not taking it. i can answer any questions about that stuff here. Anyway ketamine being evil is not evil in some idiot kids's lets go out and be evil way. It destroys the known universe through being an elemental solvent and gives us no hope of establishing a better place for souls elsewhere.

Original post: Apopheros

A great mix is amphetamine and weed. Whenever I came back from raves where I took "speeds" I used to smoke shitloads of weed. Once, before I went to sleep, I had this experience where I felt my internal organs becoming stars and I kinda went back in time to a state where I had to organise matter to make everything works as it should.
I remember the refrigerator's sound, the uummm sound, had something to do with my focus. I know, this could be highly suggestive, but really interesting nonetheless.

On a madder note, I think it comes down on how your neurotransmitters integrate the holographic dark matter with the proper elctromagnetic pattern. Shrooms helps you by unlocking the layers of the brain in order to polarise various geometrical potentials, also known as chakra.

Hummm, Dark Matter

Original post: Apopheros

[QUOTE=Mystagogue;248964]i can answer any questions about that stuff here. [/QUOTE]

Can you talk more about your experience with LSD? I have never tried.

Concerning mushroom in general, they grow out of rotting stuff right, so, their survival depends on how much rotten stuff they can grow on. They have develop toxins to kill through evolution but what if they had created a more subtle toxin that fools you to experience an entropic dissolved ego so free of pain, that you might choose to stay in that state and never come back to your body, out of free will.

Original post: Iamu

Are we arguing about whether or not people experienced these feelings like they were developing in reverse on acid? I don't question that. And the fact that people often tend to have experiences like these on hallucinogens (and, in my experience, in certain cases of psychosis that aren't drug induced) says something interesting about our psychic constitution, in and of itself.

As to whether we are accessing information encoded in the genome... Considering that brain cells "highlight" different parts of the genome to use at different times, and many of us think that habituation is enough to significantly and permanently affect how neurons read and manipulate their genetic data, I don't think it's a stretch to say that we probably are accessing old "genetic memories" by one means or another. Think about it this way; select two human beings at random and compare their lives, and they're probably going to 90% percent similar. We all eat, drink, go the bathroom, sneeze, breathe etc., and tend to do each a certain number of times per day. We relate to our parents in very specific ways, and judge ourselves (at least in part) by these relationships. We pretty much all go to work or school on a day-to-day basis and encounter similar situations. So we deal with rearrangements of the same sets of fundamental conflicts and situations on a day to day basis, which are mostly the same ones we've repeated for generations, and that animals experience as well. And any two human beings are roughly 99.9% genetically similar--in fact, even chimps are about 99% genetically similar to humans. We're probably not more 20% genetically different from dogs or cats, if that, and that common 80% of the genetic information plays some big role in the fundamental outline of our lives and our thoughts, even if we don't understand exactly how our thoughts relate to the genome.

We look at other human beings and tend to see the differences between us, and then we think of ourselves as too different to understand what's going on inside the next person's head. We don't notice that a randomly selected human being is barely different from us in almost every fundamental respect, and that we already mostly know what drives them, as we mostly know what drives any animal. To identify with an animal is going to teach you about their and your lives, and it may be relatively easy at least partly because we're built on a DNA molecule that's 80-90% similar.

Original post: zeroflye

LSD interacts with the oldest parts of the brain first, eventially utilizing the entire body, mind, and soul.
I believe in this article.
It allows you to experience anything, and everything, without actually going anywhere.
So why not?

Original post: Lotic Trance

tiberseptim;246090 wrote:If you search LSD on New Scientist youll see that their beggining to resume research on LSD.

No kidding? Awesome. I know they're testing MDMA on people with PTSD and manic-depression. There was that one guy in the 90s who got the FDA to let him test DMT, which was pretty amazing. I hear they're even doing more experiments with psilocybe mushrooms now, too. They say it can help regrow gray matter.

Seems like all of a sudden, little by little, people are starting to realize that most of the original data on these drugs was screwed up. I just hope someone high up pays attention this time.

Original post: Mercury_Rising

[QUOTE=Lotic Trance;250844]
Seems like all of a sudden, little by little, people are starting to realize that most of the original data on these drugs was screwed up. I just hope someone high up pays attention this time.[/QUOTE]

Actually the original data on these drugs wasn´t screwed up, but the way these drugs was portrayed in media and in politics certainly was.
Psychedelic research more or less came to a screeching halt in the 70´s for mainly political reasons. Despite the fact that the studies actually showed a lot of potential for psychedelic agents in several areas.

What happened during the late 80´s was that the results of the early research started to get a wider recognition and the pressure to once again open up this field of research was starting to build. That the tide was indeed turning became evident in 1990 when Rick Strassman finally got a clearance to perform a study with dimethyltryptamine on human volunteers. The first study of its kind in over 20 years. Since then the field has, if not been blown wide open, at least expanded greatly and there has been a lot of research done on these woundrous substances since and slowly the results are starting to get out to the public.

It will take time until public awarence on this subject is high enough to influence the powers that be, but it seems like we at least slowly are geting there.

For those interested in psychedelic research a good starting point would be Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.

I personally belive that psychedelic agents can be highly useful tools in magical practices as well as in more mundane areas.

Original post: Sud Ram

A lot of people speak about LSD but don't really know what it is. Stan Grof in his book LSD Psychotherapy thoroughly explains how LSD works and what functional model can be used in psychotherapy to explore deep transformation of the human being.

I personally have used LSD over 10 times in different sets and settings and have found it to be an incredible tool at the time. I wouldn't use it again but I'm happy I did when I did.

Total regression into time and cellular memory is indeed possible, not only with LSD but with any psychedelic or entheogen in the right dose, set and setting. I've experienced it.

Original post: LivingTemptation

on LSD anything is possible...

Original post: durki

Whereas Dr. Stanislav Grof has become famous for his LSD psychotherapy, there are other drugs such as DMT which give kick to attain altered state of consciousness.
It is possible have healing through hypnotic regression by doing the required
' changework ' after taking such drugs.