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I'm really not sure what to say to that.

The clip itself doesn't really say very much.

In my opinion, the only thing Hitler did to preserve Dharma is make the world stand together to fight against him.

I don't know if the unity, conviction, and moral fiber of the Allies could ever outweigh the tyranny, death, and devastation caused by the Axis, most probably not, but if there's a brightside to the war, that's about all I can see of it.

The allies were just as bad. They simply won, and as a result, their propaganda survived.

Hmm, I'm not sure, I wasn't there, so I can't really say for certain, and perhaps all I see is propaganda, perhaps, but it certainly seems there's a major difference in what the two sides stood for.

The Axis wanted to stamp out difference, replace it all with uniformity. When all is the same with no room for variety, I don't believe progress can be made in any direction. On some level, I see what they did as akin to the witch-hunts, and I wonder how many great innovators were burned as witches.

Maybe I'm on a tangent here, although I'm not entirely certain this thread is strictly on-topic

I've heard the case argued that the Axis treated their own soldiers the way people should be treated, and perhaps this is true, again, I wasn't there and can't confirm that, but the way they treated anyone who they didn't consider to be one of them is a pretty strong example of everything that's wrong with the world (in my opinion).

I still believe that the only positive thing the Axis did was set a blazing image of how not to act, that would stand out loud and clear through history. Atrocities so immense no-one could ever forget, and that hopefully will never repeat.

Still not sure if that was worth the price though

A lot of people do get stuck on the nazi imagery, sorry if I didn't mention it before but a cat named Usernamen was the original "author" of this video. It was rude of me not to give that person their rightful due.

Vashta wrote:Hmm, I'm not sure, I wasn't there, so I can't really say for certain, and perhaps all I see is propaganda, perhaps, but it certainly seems there's a major difference in what the two sides stood for.

The Axis wanted to stamp out difference, replace it all with uniformity. When all is the same with no room for variety, I don't believe progress can be made in any direction. On some level, I see what they did as akin to the witch-hunts, and I wonder how many great innovators were burned as witches.

What exactly have you seen done to the contrary by the winners of the war, when not busy embroiling the world in bloody wars so they don't have to directly fight one another on their own soil? The difference is that the NAZIs wanted to have their culture take over Europe, while the allies wanted to get rid of culture all together.

zelos wrote:The difference is that the NAZIs wanted to have their culture take over Europe, while the allies wanted to get rid of culture all together.

Sounds like an interesting argument to hash out on this forum:
http://forum.axishistory.com

Hitler was a bisexual who was more passive than active. A close observation of his walk gives idea about his sexual orientation. Of course, he was bustling with energy which could have been channelized in a more appropriate field through the agency of a competent person.

I see, tell me more

(1) To camouflage his homosexuality, he visited a jewish prostitute in Berlin.
(2) To hide his indentation in the hip area while standing in a conference room or walking before his generals, he would cover it with the both hands folded.
(3) He kept moustaches & professed love to some females to show that he was not an effeminate.
(4) To undo the ignominy & guilt of the sexual abuse to which he was subjected to in his chuldhood, he posed himself as a martial aryan dictator.

If you read some of the more popular books virtually all of the leaders of the Third Reich were outright gay or at least bisexual. If this is true we can deduct that homosexuals are responsible for the holocaust, closet or not. As I have stated before, many get stuck on the Nazi imagery of the video.

Honest_John wrote:...we can deduct that homosexuals are responsible for the holocaust, closet or not.

...still obvious

Just before administering poison to Eva Braun, he lay down on the floor in his chamber & asked her to kick his buttocks.

Kath wrote:still obvious

This would be better hashed out in the troll forum

Soham wrote:Just before administering poison to Eva Braun, he lay down on the floor in his chamber & asked her to kick his buttocks.

Would you do anything different considering?

Again we are stuck on the Nazi imagery, an "Imagery Dam" so to speak, hopefully we can see beyond this, I'm not optimistic.

I don't know if the unity, conviction, and moral fiber of the Allies could ever outweigh the tyranny, death, and devastation caused by the Axis, most probably not, but if there's a brightside to the war, that's about all I can see of it.

Actually there was a bright side to the war, almost all nations hated Jews at that time. Norway for example had laws against Jews entering the nation and so on. That people was terribly prejudiced against, but after the horrors of the war many people saw the dangers of such hatred and there was less racism in the word. Out of most horrible things there come good things to.

However when it comes to Hitler, I think it is wrong to paint the man like a demon, I do not defend his actions, not at all, however he was hardly more cruel than other conquerers, and yet we can all talk about Napoleon, or Alexander the Great and so on and so on, men that went to war and left death and destruction in their wake, but Hitler we have to see as less than a man? Hitler was a fanatical patriot coming from a broken nation where people, his people starved and died in the streets, and he was then seduced by some rather unhealthy ideas about racial purity. And I mean if your nation was crushed, if your money had no value, if you saw no hope, would not you to grasp for any shred of something that could give you the right to be proud of yourself and your people? So we have this young soldier who come from a collapsed society that is now convinced that no matter how bad things are, he is white and he is German and that makes him better than everyone else and unfortunately he had the charisma and cunning to become the nation's leader and go to war. In my mind Hitler is more tragic than demonic, and I think it is completely crazy that if one say something nice about Mao or about Pol Pott or any other such tyrant then one is talking about some interesting historical fact, and if one say something positive about Hitler, not his ideas and not his was and not his actions but about the man then one is a racist, if one do not hate and think the man was a living demon then one is a racist.

Yes the man was a tyrant, but there have been tyrants before and there will be tyrants again, why this single hatred for this tyrant when there is so many to choose from?

Well, for me, I'd have to say the scale of it, and the sheer idiocy of killing people for having different beliefs, sexualities, and colours, and of course, the media coverage

Well Pol Potts have killed thousands and thousands, so have the regime in China, I am sure Alexander the Great left a few bodies in his wake but they are making movies about him and making him into an action hero. Where their reasons for killing better than Hitler's reasons? Mind you I am not saying that Hitler's reasons was good, but why are Hitler vilified to such a greater extent than every other bloodthirsty tyrant? Yes I think it is the media coverage playing a role here. We grow up supposed to hate Hitler, he is the enemy tm, we are not trained from birth to hate other dictators the same way. Now I am not saying that he was not bad, but was he really more bad that others of his ilk?

I see only conflict everywhere I look I see hatred breeding hatred a vicious loop and a never ending wheel

I know only that I am Shiva Natured and it was revealed to me once in an hallucination and while I despise violence and do not think highly of Hitler I am also of the mind that destruction must follow the act of creation and that is just the way things are.

It is our nature to kill each other, to hate each other, to torture one another, to inflict harm and pain on each other. So Hitler was just another messiah of the dark side and an avatar of that aspect of our world which I must say I do not appreciate at all. And I don't really agree with this but what is their to say about the video except that it is in absolute conflict with itself and yet in a disturbing way also in complete harmony with itself.

Don't accuse me of being nazi though because I am not, crazy or an idiot sure I have no problem with that.

In Norway these days there go a program named, translated into English Studio 5 from the other side. It is a show in which a group of women have guests who do various Spiritual, occult and alternative stuff. One of the ladies on the show spoke of a rather interesting theory in which the pepole who really affect our world. Like for example Elvis, or Cesar, or even stars such as Britney Spears are Avatars of some principle sent to Earth to guide and to bring that quality they represent to us. Elvis might be a Avatar of music and change, for he very much was a part of a change in how music was seen. Brittany Spears might be an Avatar of the frivolous blond bimbo. And so on. In any case this lady claimed that the reason why some pepole get so famous and get in a position influence the world, is that they do not have normal human souls but are reincarnated Gods or Avatars. Now I am not really buying into the whole you have the position in life you are born to have so you might as well not try to be something else before it is all decided and laid out long before you where even born crap. However the idea that at least some of the pepole who become on good or bad or the really idiotic icons in our society might be a principle or a Avatar, or a God, or a concept or an archetype or whatever you want to call it given flesh, that is very interesting I think.

Now the lady in question mentioned Hitler as an Avatar of evil, and this tread came to my mind. Now I do not think that he was an Avatar of evil, but the more I think about it, perhaps in a way the idiot who started this tread is right, perhaps Hitler was a preserver of Dharma in a way. I think perhaps that he was an Avatar of destruction. Horrible, terrible destruction, but destruction who leaves something better in it's wake. Now I am in now way saying that what Hitler did was right, but that while many died and many unspeakable things happened World War 2 brought our society forward. Racism and particularity racism against Jews became far less. I do not think that USA to day would have had a black President and that the fight against racism would have come to far to day if pepole had not seen how crazy racism could become. The baby boom after the war brought a huge generation of young folks who did change the world, and even if they are now becoming a problem as far to many pepole at the same time are getting old and needing care, I think that this generation was needed to advance society towards what we have today. Medical science was hugely advanced by the horrid experiments of the Nazi doctors, and we would not have many cures we have to day if the experimentation would not have happened, and at the same time the world have seen how horrid such experimentation can be, and while experimentation on human beings still happens, we now have a stark example of their horror and why not to do it. Yes when you think about it. Hitler was in many ways a Avatar of destruction who tore the old world down and that allowed a new world to arise in his wake.