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Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:07 pm
by dirtyoldman
Beginning my studies into Qigong and it's facilities for personal energy manipulation and healing, the question sprung up in my head as to the possibilities of its further applications regarding the topic of energy manipulation inparticular. Now I know Qigong isn't the only area that deals with this type of matter. Having trouble so far in my search finding credible material (or even much credible looking material) on the internet I thought it might be a good idea to humbly ask the opinions of others that may or may not be better versed then I on topics that may include what I'm looking for here. But I digress, and onto my inquiry.
As an aspiring mechanical engineering student and scientist in general, I know that as far as we humans know energy cannot be destroyed period. It just so far as we can tell changes form. With this in mind, I thought to myself "could it be possible to safely absorb energy from other entities through other disciplines" other entities being spirits/other entities what have you that aren't generally on the material plane but able to be communicated with through various things such as astral projection or evocation/summoning/conjuration types of rituals. Most of what I've seen just regards these type of things used for communication or trying to use these beings for "favors" and the like. Some of them are good (in a sense) while others might be overtly malevolent, I wanted to look into what disciplines could facilitate or even touch on how to go about draining this energy either into oneself or others. And ways to purify said energy if it's gained through a malevolent force (assuming that's even necessary, or perhaps in being energy it just adapts to whatever's hosting it).
I still obviously have plenty of reading to do on the subject, I don't ascribe to any particular religion but am not an atheist, I don't really ascribe to any particular societal titles for myself as I generally don't like the sense of elitism that tends to go with them in general. I'm simply myself, and have interests I'd like to persue, which will most likely change and evolve as I go along.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:24 am
by Aliga
Woohoo! A question I can answer with some confidence!
Yes, it is possible to absorb spiritual entities, but usually anything with even a slight intelligence/personality/instinct (anything you could really call an "entity" and not just energy) will try to resist it - even spiritual beings have a survival instinct. However, someone practiced in energy manipulation can absorb an entity's energy with relative ease - the trick is, as you suggested, "purifying" it.
Though everyone has a different analogy for describing types of energy, pretty much everyone can agree that it has variable traits. Each type of energy is different, though things that are similar usually have similar energy (most people have energy that's within a very small range... though there are exceptions, of course); energy doesn't change its traits on a whim though. It takes a great deal of concentration to actually change a type of energy - which I have only been able to do after absorbing it into myself and focusing on it - and I've found that doing so takes enough energy that the 'return' usually isn't worth it. However, absorbing the energy of a spiritual being can certainly have uses besides energizing yourself.
Keep in mind that energy that is very different can have a tendancy to "spread" into other energy when it's forced to share a space - so be cautious if you decide to absorb a malicious entity's energy! I don't know of any specific disciplines that would deal with this sort of thing, but if you can manipulate energy and sense spiritual entities, you should have the skills needed, at least.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:51 am
by dirtyoldman
Aliga wrote:Woohoo! A question I can answer with some confidence!
Yes, it is possible to absorb spiritual entities, but usually anything with even a slight intelligence/personality/instinct (anything you could really call an "entity" and not just energy) will try to resist it - even spiritual beings have a survival instinct. However, someone practiced in energy manipulation can absorb an entity's energy with relative ease - the trick is, as you suggested, "purifying" it.
Though everyone has a different analogy for describing types of energy, pretty much everyone can agree that it has variable traits. Each type of energy is different, though things that are similar usually have similar energy (most people have energy that's within a very small range... though there are exceptions, of course); energy doesn't change its traits on a whim though. It takes a great deal of concentration to actually change a type of energy - which I have only been able to do after absorbing it into myself and focusing on it - and I've found that doing so takes enough energy that the 'return' usually isn't worth it. However, absorbing the energy of a spiritual being can certainly have uses besides energizing yourself.
Keep in mind that energy that is very different can have a tendancy to "spread" into other energy when it's forced to share a space - so be cautious if you decide to absorb a malicious entity's energy! I don't know of any specific disciplines that would deal with this sort of thing, but if you can manipulate energy and sense spiritual entities, you should have the skills needed, at least.
Thank you very much for the response, also I guess it depends alot on how you view subjects such as "good and evil" or how you term things like "malevolent forces" or things with "malevolent intent". Having not had much experience thus far with spirits and energy manipulation I've always stood by my personal ideal of good and evil being relative from person to person, obviously their are societal definitions of what types of actions associate with these terms as well which were developed to facilitate the advent of laws to govern large bodies of people. However I do believe that ones actions are controlled entirely by their own wills, though not everyone has strength of will so some can more easily succumb to outside influences then others (such as what I might term "malevolent" spirits trying to manipulate a summoner or target to their own ends). Although that brings forth another good question you may or may not have the answer to (uncharted territory comes with the area of study id assume) is as to how much influence absorbed energy of (ill just refer to it as "negative" from now on) a negative variety on persons of strong will attempting to absorb it (although on another note, one might very well overestimate the fortitude of their will), and if other neutral or positive energies held within might help neutralize or balance such negative energy within.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:28 pm
by dirtyoldman
If theirs on thing I dislike more then politics, it's forum spammers like this guy.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:22 am
by jwoman
This post is a comment and a reply to dirtyoldman and others. A question arose from me after reading what I had here. If you're wanting to absorb or take another person or entities energy, wouldn't there be the risk of having them attach to you? Meaning, a dis-incarnate (or dead) individual or spiritual entity that exists outside of our normal range of our 5 physical (not necessarily spiritual senses though) senses. And in taking or absorbing their energy, would there also not be a chance of them taking over your physical body? Now I'm mostly talking about a malevolent or negative dis-incarnate person or entity because a good one wouldn't necessarily desire to attach to someones aura or inhabit the person who's attempting taking or absorbing their energy's physical body in the first place.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:08 am
by dirtyoldman
jwoman wrote:This post is a comment and a reply to dirtyoldman and others. A question arose from me after reading what I had here. If you're wanting to absorb or take another person or entities energy, wouldn't there be the risk of having them attach to you? Meaning, a dis-incarnate (or dead) individual or spiritual entity that exists outside of our normal range of our 5 physical (not necessarily spiritual senses though) senses. And in taking or absorbing their energy, would there also not be a chance of them taking over your physical body? Now I'm mostly talking about a malevolent or negative dis-incarnate person or entity because a good one wouldn't necessarily desire to attach to someones aura or inhabit the person who's attempting taking or absorbing their energy's physical body in the first place.
It's definitely a possibility (at least in theory), although i've always been of the frame of mind that if you possess sufficient self control or willpower, along with obvious practice in dealing with such subjects or entities, that full or even partial possession (at least in the sense of losing physical control of your bodily functions, and getting to watch as the entity drives your body around) is unlikely though not outside the realm of possibility. As a science minded person i've always been a firm believer in finding tangible proofs (or tangible enough for me) to support ideals or beliefs I may hold, or things of interest, that being said I also have always been of the mind that any and everything is within the realm of possibility, you just have to figure out how to go about doing it successfully.
I will definitely be delving more deeply into this subject in the near future, doing some tip toeing around in shallow water first of course to try and get as firm a grasp I can before treading into what might wind up being the abyss if im not careful. However being busy with college at the moment this also takes a back seat to my engineering studies, after all sustaining oneself is paramount to future progress in any endeavor.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:45 pm
by dirtyoldman
Also another point in fact is that im looking into this as a way of dealing with malicious entities and making them useful rather then just banishing them, beseeching entities for knowledge is much more preferable imo then just simply attempting to absorb everything you see.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:37 am
by jwoman
dirtyoldman,
Why call yourself that? To get on the subject again here why deal with anything of a negative or malicious nature in the first place? I heard they could turn on you in an instant. Just curious as to why someone would want to pursue doing that. It would be like me wanting to deal with a negative and anger prone person. At first they'd be kind and wouldn't be angry toward me. Over time that would fade away and they'd snap at me and would become angry at me as well as be negative. That would make me feel uncomfortable being around someone who's like that often and over time it would negatively affect me too. Just food for thought that's all.
You have a good point though in not trying to just banish them and attempting to befriend them. The other thing is with that is, if you ended up attracting one of them in the first place and afterward they took interest in you, then why would they ever want to just leave, even after banishing them? What if they wound up liking you or wanting to linger around you for whatever desired purpose and banishing them wouldn't keep them away? lol Just thought to throw those questions in here for the discussion since they've crossed my mind.
jwoman
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:06 am
by dirtyoldman
jwoman wrote:
dirtyoldman, Why call yourself that?
Just a whimsical name from my past days in computer gaming
To get on the subject again here why deal with anything of a negative or malicious nature in the first place? I heard they could turn on you in an instant. Just curious as to why someone would want to pursue doing that. It would be like me wanting to deal with a negative and anger prone person. At first they'd be kind and wouldn't be angry toward me. Over time that would fade away and they'd snap at me and would become angry at me as well as be negative. That would make me feel uncomfortable being around someone who's like that often and over time it would negatively affect me too. Just food for thought that's all.
Curiousity mostly, i'm not much the trusting type though so I always have a tendency of going into situations with the utmost skepticism and distrust (especially when dealing with malicious spirits), although right now it's just stuff im theorizing and wouldent be attempting contact with malicious spirits until having a firm handle and everything id be aspiring to gain from the lighter side of things.
You have a good point though in not trying to just banish them and attempting to befriend them. The other thing is with that is, if you ended up attracting one of them in the first place and afterward they took interest in you, then why would they ever want to just leave, even after banishing them? What if they wound up liking you or wanting to linger around you for whatever desired purpose and banishing them wouldn't keep them away? lol Just thought to throw those questions in here for the discussion since they've crossed my mind.
jwoman
It's possible they may want to stick around, but if you're contacting powerful entities and causing them to manifest spiritually or physically that they'd want to return back from whence they came once done(and in the case of malicious entities, not wanting them to stay in the first place unless of course you planned on using them forcibly). Also if I understand the purpose of banishment rituals correctly they're ment to force a spirit or entity back to its original plane of existence, though more powerful entities may very well resist if they don't want to go or whatnot, they are also used as a means to spiritually cleanse things as well incase you suspect foul play incase you happened to suspect you've been cursed or something else unpleasant.
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:52 am
by jwoman
dirtyoldman wrote:jwoman wrote:
dirtyoldman, Why call yourself that?
Just a whimsical name from my past days in computer gaming
Ok well thank you for elaborating on that more here. I of course was only curious about why someone would actually put that as their id. I thought it to be a bit funny no offense. I'd never say I was dirty and I do shower every day and are sure that you do too. lol
To get on the subject again here why deal with anything of a negative or malicious nature in the first place? I heard they could turn on you in an instant. Just curious as to why someone would want to pursue doing that. It would be like me wanting to deal with a negative and anger prone person. At first they'd be kind and wouldn't be angry toward me. Over time that would fade away and they'd snap at me and would become angry at me as well as be negative. That would make me feel uncomfortable being around someone who's like that often and over time it would negatively affect me too. Just food for thought that's all.
Curiousity mostly, i'm not much the trusting type though so I always have a tendency of going into situations with the utmost skepticism and distrust (especially when dealing with malicious spirits), although right now it's just stuff im theorizing and wouldent be attempting contact with malicious spirits until having a firm handle and everything id be aspiring to gain from the lighter side of things.
Of course I'm curious too. The problem is though is why try doing anything with something that you know won't be good? It's like trying to trust someone who you know is bad and might hurt you behind your back in some way. Same thing with something or someone you can't necessarily see. If anything I'd like to befriend something or someone who I know wasn't good and try to gain their respect. It's better to have someone on your side than against you after all. There have been quite a few in my past I've befriended and have remained on good terms with. There's even a few of them, around two I've been dealing with at my place of work. One of them has been dealing with and working with another coworker. The one is very powerful and is highly intelligent and is great in what he can do. The other one I believe serves him in some way. I can see these individuals while at work and everything. One other lusts after me even though he's married. I got a glimpse of his attachment somehow and now know why he's behaving that way toward me. It's strange what I've been dealing with and this happens at work not during sleep. I actually love the woman one and the male one that she deals with a great deal and I find them to be very intriguing. I've befriended and have chosen to assist the one female at work who deals with the stronger male that she serves. I really admire both of them and love dealing with them respectfully and greatly enjoy it too. I've also carefully researched what the male would like and how he'd like to be treated and at times he's even been able to somehow tell me things that have nearly knocked my socks off in the way that he goes about doing it. Their eyes are particularly interesting to see too and helps me know whenever they're present. I love it when the male stares intently at me whenever I walk by him while he's sitting at his desk and is also how I know whenever he's there. One main reason why I love dealing with these two are because of their intelligence. I love them and what they are and love to hear what they have to say and be around them. Of course that's probably just me but I do believe it's better to be respectful and gain friendship than have them consider you as being their foe. Being a foe is a fool if you ask me especially if you're dealing with something that can't necessarily always be seen like someone who's physically there. I think that the male is a kind of medium and the spirit can speak to me through him or something. That's not a surprise because this has happened to me on more than one occasion now with that particular one. I also seen the female one who can communicate and deal with me through the woman at work too. Funny thing is, is that I've always wanted this kind of thing to happen and so here it is for me now. I don't drink or do drugs nor do I have any psychotic or mental problem of any kind just to inform you a little more about me. How does that famous saying go? "The truth is out there." Another one is, "Seek and you shall find." Maybe they and I have been searching and we've been searching for each other and so here we all are. lol
Some questions about energy manipulation, and it's other applications
Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:02 pm
by dirtyoldman
Sometimes you want to try things just for the sake of trying, if you hold back progress due to being afraid of the possible outcome you'll never move forward. Now whether or not progress is always a good thing is debatable, and there's always risk involved in anything worth doing. Right now this ideas on the backburner though, more important things to be taken care of first.