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Hey guys, this is my first post in the forum and I badly need guidance. I'm also into things like the occult and stuff but I'm new to these kind of things do forgive me if I seem ignorant. I'll go straight into the details then:

Lately, I've been "seeing" things while wide awake. Things as in events and places which are going to take place let's say 2-3 days from now. I don't concentrate or even try to focus myself, but it just comes to me for all of a sudden! One time I was talking to my friends and suddenly I saw myself in some kind of plaza where I have NEVER been before, just roaming around. After 3 days, my class was going on a field trip and guess what, I found myself in that plaza, for the very first time.

My "visions", if you can call them that, just appear and then for a moment it stays, then goes away. My mom says that I sometimes stare into space then incidentally, those were the times when I see "things". I googled "scrying" but I wasn't quite satisfied with the results, so I decided to ask around in this forum.

I want to know what I am experiencing. My visions have helped me in my recent decisions, but I can't quite do it on my own will. I need help defining myself, I need guidance. I know what I'm experiencing is not common. Some say I'm just imagining things, but what I see happens with deadly accuracy that sometimes I'm amazed myself. But what I fear is that I may not be normal, so I came here to ask you guys! [happy2]

Thanks in advance! [yay]

Well, it's not typical or anything, but I wouldn't say it wasn't normal. Nothing to worry about. It's a gift.

Thanks for the reply Occultess [thumbup] It's great to know I'm actually learning something, like I know I'm headed somewhere. One thing that piqued my interest (just now) is: How can I culture this gift? How can I control it? I've talked to some scryers here in my neighborhood and they've told me that "the ability to look into the future is not always good..." well in my case, I just can't help but see things. [bummed] Is there a particular post where I can look this up, or could you shed me some light about it? I really need someone to talk to, I just hate it when people treat me like some freak. [crymore]

First up,hello and welcome. [grin]

I also get future flashes and while this is true:

"the ability to look into the future is not always good..."

It is something that I think always confers at least a little advantage,even if you can't change events,as you can change how you react,given that you have more awareness than others around you.

How we think about time itself,has a lot to do with concepts like past,'present' and future' and how we perceive them:

We actually live about 80 milliseconds in the past because that's how long it takes our brains to process information.

Quoted from:Unbelievable facts.

A tiny slip in the thread of time,yes,but a window nonetheless.

I got one vision that kept coming around and I couldn't understand it.I 'll use it as an example here,

It recurred several times over a 3 month period and it was full of paintings and bright lights and windows,a lonely winding never ending corridor and a feeling of being watched also,with no one else there,there were many windows too but it was dark on the other side of them,so I had no outside visual clues.I was in a labryrnthine hell with many doors that would not open,lol.There were doors in between the paintings but all locked and inaccessible.I wandered around lost and irritated.I remember dstinctly feeling annoyed each time this happened.

I wrote it off as a Jungian key dream,the type where the imagery is a metaphor for 'finding and opening the correct mind door'.I eventually decided to use a lucidity in dreaming technique to become active in my 'dream' and I eventually found the exit door.

I thought no more about it after that.

However,this was finally resolved when I ended up in Ninewells hospital in Dundee,where my daughter and unborn grandson had been transferred due to there being a shortage of emergency maternity facilites in Glasgow.Months later,just before New Year,actually.

We got sent on a wild goose chase around the grounds,by a git of an attendant,lol.But seriously,he kept giving us different directions and we kept ending up back at reception,it was 2 am and we were very tired and stressed as my daughter was threatening labour and she was less than six months into the pregnancy.This happened three times and then I thought fuck it,we'll try using the many and complicated wall signs rather than ask again.

After a few minutes flaffing,guess where we ended up...?

In the painted corridor of doom!

Then it made sense,my 'dream',lol..I knew where to go and we walked around the corridors with ease and got to the right place quickly.

When my daughter saw me,she relaxed and she was very surprised, but glad we were there.The contractions stopped shortly afterwards and she was able to sleep,which made a big difference to her condition and helped with stabilising the baby too.
We live in Glasgow and my son and I had made the journey to Dundee without phoning ahead,as I just wanted to be with them and protect them in person.

There were cameras all over the place,by the way,the feeling of being watched and my irritation,was due to this,the attendant sent us on a chase and was watching us blunder around,I believe.[He learned a bit about pissing off witches,that night,you can be sure of that,lol.Yes,I did attend to him,but later,as I had bigger and more important issues at that moment.]

There's a lot more to this story,but this is the bit I 'm sharing,for now.Point is : you can interact with these flashes sometimes and they are a gift,as Occultess says.I found my way out,in the same way as I had done using my lucidity before.

Sometimes seeing yourself in the future can have a seriously comforting effect and can also be a precursor of a potential future that might not look possible at this time,in an emergency situation for instance, a life threatening or otherwise similar crisis and this can give you renewed fighting spirit and increase the will to act and survive,just one kind of example where this skill is useful.

You can work with this,certainly but be careful of 'control',too much control can lessen the flow of information.Work with remembering the vision:smells ,sounds,peripheral images,any thing and everything you can recall,this will be useful and helps if you feel the need to interfere,as I did.I was wrong about the nature of the vision,but my finding the way out through projecting it into lucidity,was useful when the situation came around in the waking world again,for real.

Thanks for reassuring me Nahema [thumbup] I was skeptical at first but I am SO glad that I'm not the only one who's experiencing these phenomena. I'm only 16 and as far as I know, I'm still young. But I want to know more about myself, my "future flashes" as you put it. Is there any possibility that I might get to "control" myself, you know, whenever I feel the dire need to know what's in store for me or for my family in the future. I know that I have this untrained, raw gift and I WANT to culture it, train myself to use my ability. I have to regain control myself, but the thing is, I can't expect local help from here, aside from my local scryer but she's way to pricey. Aside from flashes whenever I'm awake, I also experience looking into the future in my dreams. Oftentimes, what I dream is not a glimpse, but a very detailed and accurate scene which lasts for maybe about 7 minutes or so.

Maybe I can catch glimpses of the future, but not only do I want to train my gift, but I also want to keep it. I have to keep my grasp on it. I need to. Nahema, kindly enlighten me. [pray] Thanks in advance!

If you want control, delve yourself into magick. Meditation, LRP etc. Start the work. [thumbup]

@Etar, OK I'll try and do so. One last problem, my family is devoted to Catholicism (And I am too), but I'm scared that maybe, just maybe, I'll break the doctrine of the Church and... well you know what comes after that. I'm just going to shoot right at the center: Am I going to hell for this? [crymore]

adonismanchet wrote:@Etar, OK I'll try and do so. One last problem, my family is devoted to Catholicism (And I am too), but I'm scared that maybe, just maybe, I'll break the doctrine of the Church and... well you know what comes after that. I'm just going to shoot right at the center: Am I going to hell for this? [crymore]

No. That doesn't break the doctrine of the church. If you find your predictions are so accurate and important enough to stir up trouble with Catholics it could just be the universe's way of testing you. I doubt the whole lot of them would feel the same way. Stick to the ones that help you. Don't drown yourself in dogma.

Hm, you're 16, right? This could cause some trouble with your family. But you can be secretive until you get to be independent.

As for the Hell thing, I'm gonna be 100% honest with you. From what I know and experienced, there's no such place. Do you believe in the Heaven and Hell thing? Yes, of course there are other planes, some of which can be called heavens or hells, but to me it's more like states of mind. Some belief or doing something won't get you "damned", because there's no such thing on the sense most people are used to. Besides, even if someone would go to Hell for predicting the future (in which case many cool people would be there, including myself), it couldn't be eternal, you see. It's a cycle. You can always try again. It's complicated. As I said, delve yourself. Read, study, practice.

If you need anything such as advice, I'm (well, we're) here to help. [thumbup]

Etar, thanks for reassuring me, had myself sweating over here [rofl] Ok, so I'll get practicing as soon as possible, do you have any suggestions about what kind of texts I should be reading? Because I can't find any texts that doesn't include lighting 4 candles around me and sacrificing my dog to contact the devil. I mean seriously, I can't do that in front of my mom [bummed]

I really believe I can look up to you for help Etar (Hey, I'm not brown nosing [wink] ) So yeah, thanks a lot! [pray]

akimbomoss wrote: No. That doesn't break the doctrine of the church. If you find your predictions are so accurate and important enough to stir up trouble with Catholics it could just be the universe's way of testing you. I doubt the whole lot of them would feel the same way. Stick to the ones that help you. Don't drown yourself in dogma.

Maybe it could be, but hey, I refuse to succumb to the tides of fate, as my friend would put it. [happy2]

You're welcome. Glad to know people look up to me. I try not to disappoint.

Here's a small curriculum. I made it for a close friend, but I'm adapting for you.

"A Garden of Pomegranates" by Israel Regardie
"Dhammapada" by Siddharta Gautama
"Dogma and Ritual of High Magic" by Eliphas Levi
"Liber ABA" by Aleister Crowley
"Liber E vel Exercitiorum" by Aleister Crowley
"Liber Librae" by Aleister Crowley
"The Art of True Healing" by Israel Regardie
"The Astral Plane" by C. W. Leadbeater
"The Key to the Great Mysteries" by Eliphas Levi
"The Voice of the Silence" by H. P. Blavatsky

Eliphas Levi will be great for you, since you have a Catholic background. He also has this background and will really open your mind. Don't worry if you don't get everything when you read these huge books, just pay as much attention as you can. Now Crowley is great too (he's also Levi's reincarnation), though I understand he can be intimidating at times. I took off from the list Thelemic works. There are De Lege Libellvm, Libri Aleph, AL vel Legis, DCCCXXXVII and Oz and The Message of Master Therion, if you're interested. I also took off Liber 777 since it won't be of use to you right now.
Pretty sure you can find all of these online. If you need anything else, I'll be here.

Thanks Etar! [thumbup] I'm gonna start reading right now, well probably I'd start with Eliphas Levi! Thanks!

BTW, yesterday I got another future flash, expecting it tomorrow I guess [oh]

You're welcome. Good luck.

Amorte!

adonismanchet wrote: Lately, I've been "seeing" things while wide awake. Things as in events and places which are going to take place let's say 2-3 days from now. I don't concentrate or even try to focus myself, but it just comes to me for all of a sudden! One time I was talking to my friends and suddenly I saw myself in some kind of plaza where I have NEVER been before, just roaming around. After 3 days, my class was going on a field trip and guess what, I found myself in that plaza, for the very first time.

My "visions", if you can call them that, just appear and then for a moment it stays, then goes away. My mom says that I sometimes stare into space then incidentally, those were the times when I see "things". I googled "scrying" but I wasn't quite satisfied with the results, so I decided to ask around in this forum.

I want to know what I am experiencing. My visions have helped me in my recent decisions, but I can't quite do it on my own will. I need help defining myself, I need guidance. I know what I'm experiencing is not common. Some say I'm just imagining things, but what I see happens with deadly accuracy that sometimes I'm amazed myself. But what I fear is that I may not be normal, so I came here to ask you guys! [happy2]
Thanks in advance! [yay]

And here is my topic on this issue:
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 13&t=33586

It seems to me, that I am the only person trying to tame this ability. It is called precognition.

Just like you, I want to learn to control and direct this ability. I perceive this as a skill, that needs to be trained. Payoffs in my opinion can be spectacular.

I was about to write a post with an update about "rude energies" that cloud such visions. Instead I found your topic.

Work with me. I believe, I am on to something with my research. But I badly need someone else just to point out my mistakes.
I was already surprised, when on an occult forum with over 6 thousands users nobody replied to my topic with any useful info. How can people not realize awesome potential of this ability is truly beyond me.

What I would like you to do, if you are interested, is to read my topic first. Read my theory behind this precognition phenomena. Describe your own experiences if you can.
I will update this topic soon.

Here is what you will need to do, to contribute to this research:
- begin a journal, where you describe these visions. It can be a txt file on the computer.
- in this journal write down the vision, but most importantly, your mental state prior to it's occurrence, during and afterwards.
- the actual topic of the vision is not that important, it is for archival purposes only. What is important is what triggered these visions in the first place.

Where are you from? If you are from Europe, I would love to establish an energetic link to you and scan your mental signature around the time of these visions. I may be able to detect energetic irregularities and find out what triggers this information transfer.

As for what you should do to start controlling them.
Don't bother reading about occult, it is a waste of time. You need to get into deep meditation state, clear yourself of all emotional energies (anxiety, desire, fear etc.) and let your mind focus on a particular subject like "where I will be tomorrow at 7 p.m.? What I will do there?".
Perform LBPR in the morning and before going to bed if you need ritual. Stay away from any kundalini, reiki etc stuff, they do directly interfere with your link to super-conciousness.

Remember - the less energy interference, the deeper the concentration, the better results.

Evander wrote: Stay away from any kundalini, reiki etc stuff, they do directly interfere with your link to super-conciousness.

why [question]

Amorte,

I don't know why they mess up this link, but whenever I perform observation right after kundalini exercise, I get zero results.
When I perform observation without doing kundalini that day, however, I am very often quite accurate.

I have my dark suspicions about this. Maybe we all delude ourselves, and things that are labelled "good" are not necessarily so. But it is a matter for another topic.

Evander,

First of all, thanks for that reply =) God, I really need a someone who can train me in precognition. Actually, we just tackled this during my Psychology classes last week. Anyways, sorry I'm not from Europe [confused]

Perform LBPR in the morning and before going to bed if you need ritual.

May I ask, what is LBPR?

You need to get into deep meditation state, clear yourself of all emotional energies (anxiety, desire, fear etc.) and let your mind focus on a particular subject like "where I will be tomorrow at 7 p.m.? What I will do there?"

Actually, it just comes and goes, like I said, it happens in a flash But what I do notice is whenever I feel stressed or experience negative emotions, I seem to be experiencing less and less visions (Which scares me because, hey it's pretty cool to look into the future!) But I kept on thinking about that tip about focusing on a particular subject, and my mind seemed to have "popped" free space to think about. I call it my "working space" btw.

So Evander, let's talk

I'll answer the LBRP part for him (I think he messed up the acronym). It's the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. As seen here in chapter IV: http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib6.html

Amorte,

adonismanchet wrote:Evander,

First of all, thanks for that reply =) God, I really need a someone who can train me in precognition. Actually, we just tackled this during my Psychology classes last week. Anyways, sorry I'm not from Europe [confused]

I like your enthusiasm. Possibilities are huge, but we just need to tame this gift.

Well, direct active scan is difficult even when sitting next to a person, I doubt my ability to secure an intercontinental link required for such activity.
But there may be a way around this.
I would like to teach you a method of creating a sigils and charging them with energy from visualization. I will be able to read that energy and perhaps reach the sigil in astral plane. That should in theory give me a picture of your mind when flash of the future occurs. Let me know, both techniques are relatively simple & safe.

Perform LBPR in the morning and before going to bed if you need ritual.

May I ask, what is LBPR?

As Etar answered, Lesser Banishing Pentagram Ritual/Ritual of Pentagram.
Somewhat simple but effective ritual, that helps clean negative energies and sharpens conciousness.

Actually, it just comes and goes, like I said, it happens in a flash But what I do notice is whenever I feel stressed or experience negative emotions, I seem to be experiencing less and less visions (Which scares me because, hey it's pretty cool to look into the future!) But I kept on thinking about that tip about focusing on a particular subject, and my mind seemed to have "popped" free space to think about. I call it my "working space" btw.
So Evander, let's talk

By all means.

In fact, because you are person untrained in magic, I believe that seeing the future may be easier than we all think! It seems to be a natural ability, it is all just a question of taming it.

Let us start with discovering what triggers the visions. I will finally update about "rude energies" as I call them. Would love to hear your opinion.

And remember to keep a some sort of a journal with things mentioned earlier.

Regards,

I was going to stay out of further discussion,given the direction this topic is taking,but I 've changed my mind,as I have something I think is worth saying,even though it might be contradictory to other posts.

I really need a someone who can train me in precognition.

The best person to do that is you,yourself.

Gnothi Seauton:Know thyself.

As Etar said:

If you want control, delve yourself into magick. Meditation, LRP etc. Start the work. [thumbup]

I think it's good that you are studying psychology already,tell me are you familiar with these concepts yet?

self fulfilling prophecy

feedback loop

uncertainty principle

And can you explain a bit more about this ? :" Actually, we just tackled this during my Psychology classes last week."

I 'm curious about what you've studied on precognition.it will help me understand where you're at so far,learning wise.

Where I 'm from we call this gift 'second sight' or 'the sight' and we consider it an inborn trait.It tends to run in family lines,rather like brown eyes or freckles,lol,but seriously.Precognition is a strange term to me,though I will use it if I have to,for clarity's sake.

Spae craft is the branch of Seid magick that relates to second sight/'precognition' and you might find this interesting to read up on,adonismanchet.
I can find you some reference material for this,if you'd like?
It's my home ground,magickally/practice wise,for the most part.

Stay away from any kundalini, reiki etc stuff, they do directly interfere with your link to super-conciousness.

Sorry to contradict Evander,but that's not conversant with my own experiences.

I do not think it's wise to assume a blanket of commonality with experiences like this,or a sense of universality or certainty that what you understand on this subject,is all there is to it.

I also think you might have confused a lack of interest in your other topic,with a lack of knowledge on the subject itself. Sorry for the blunt.

And here is my topic on this issue:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33586

It seems to me, that I am the only person trying to tame this ability. It is called precognition.

Just like you, I want to learn to control and direct this ability. I perceive this as a skill, that needs to be trained. Payoffs in my opinion can be spectacular.

I was about to write a post with an update about "rude energies" that cloud such visions. Instead I found your topic.

Work with me. I believe, I am on to something with my research. But I badly need someone else just to point out my mistakes.
I was already surprised, when on an occult forum with over 6 thousands users nobody replied to my topic with any useful info. How can people not realize awesome potential of this ability is truly beyond me.

But this comes across as arrogant.Especially the bolded parts.

Perhaps the realisation of others might possibly be that they are quite happy with their own perceptions/understanding of their gift and how they may or may not utilise it and that they don't feel there is any pressing need to provide you with 'useful information' ?

Or

You may indeed be right and nobody here knows,only you.
[But I am going to refute that one as I have a fair amount of experience and understanding of second sight,well as much as any of us can prove online,that is.]

Or...

...insert other possibility/ies here...

Possibility,a word brimming with promise and yet so much disappointment simultaneously,how can that be so?

Probability,how does that differ from or compare to possibility?

Influencing future outcomes is not an exact science,but many gamblers and other such folks with an interest in prediction, do play with probabilites,statistics and causality.This is also worth exploring,as it will add a dynamic that can be mathemagickally useful to any 'precognitive' understanding.

adonismanchet,I also think you should study Lucid dreaming and learn about trance and astral journeying techniques.My first post in this topic has more information in it than is probably apparent,but I am sorry if I was unclear in it.

How our concept of time works and an understanding of the gaps and slips that occur in linear time could be most useful for you.Liminality,is important for understanding here too.
More later.Maybe.

Evander wrote:write down the vision

Adonismanchet, I'm quoting this because it's an important step in being able to control and better understand your visions. When you write them down be as detailed as possible. Carry your journal with you if you can. Both so you can write in it and read the entries when your visions come true.

Don't be afraid of bad visions. Remember the future hasn't happened yet and is fluid and changeable. Learn to use your gift as a tool. Don't listen to those who say it can be a bad thing. As long as you are okay with and can accept the truth, you shouldn't have to worry.

Amorte Nahemah,

I really need a someone who can train me in precognition.

The best person to do that is you,yourself.
Gnothi Seauton:Know thyself.

In order to go somewhere, one needs to know the way. There is almost no useful info about this topic anywhere.

Where I 'm from we call this gift 'second sight' or 'the sight' and we consider it an inborn trait.It tends to run in family lines,rather like brown eyes or freckles,lol,but seriously.Precognition is a strange term to me,though I will use it if I have to,for clarity's sake.

There is no real "proper" name for these visions, as far as I am concerned. Scrying, no. Fortune Telling? nope. Precognition seems acceptable.

Spae craft is the branch of Seid magick that relates to second sight/'precognition' and you might find this interesting to read up on,adonismanchet.
I can find you some reference material for this,if you'd like?
It's my home ground,magickally/practice wise,for the most part.

I would love to hear about this as well. Pity I wasn't told about this two months earlier?

Stay away from any kundalini, reiki etc stuff, they do directly interfere with your link to super-conciousness.

Sorry to contradict Evander,but that's not conversant with my own experiences.

What am I supposed to say? I recommended kundalini exercise everywhere for decades.
Now I feel like I was making a mistake all along - these exercises do have their uses, but not for seeing the future.

I do not think it's wise to assume a blanket of commonality with experiences like this,or a sense of universality or certainty that what you understand on this subject,is all there is to it.

I would prefer to treat things like this in terms of scientific principles, rather than new-age-leftist approach "magic is for everyone". I am going to stick to a rule, that if the result is subjective it is just a projection of someone's mind, if it is objective and repeatable, it's magic.

I also think you might have confused a lack of interest in your other topic,with a lack of knowledge on the subject itself. Sorry for the blunt.

Yeah. For a person who has more years in magical practice than adonis lived on this world, I found lack of any substantial info to be pretty amazing. It is beyond me, why people are so eager to communicate with angels/aliens/whatever, rather than to learn how to see the future and take responsibility for shaping their own destiny.

But this comes across as arrogant.Especially the bolded parts.

I think it is rather "honest".

Perhaps the realisation of others might possibly be that they are quite happy with their own perceptions/understanding of their gift and how they may or may not utilise it and that they don't feel there is any pressing need to provide you with 'useful information' ?

This is arrogant. It seems to me, that despite technically being evil person, I am more honest and true about teaching other people what I know, realising how rare are those truly gifted and how important is to share knowledge, than all these guys you mentioned above.

Or
You may indeed be right and nobody here knows,only you.
[But I am going to refute that one as I have a fair amount of experience and understanding of second sight,well as much as any of us can prove online,that is.]

I would actually stick with that version. Considering that I was first person in the world to imagine combining servitor with psychokinetic energy to power up the dynamo, I would rather place a bet on my scientific background and somewhat broader horizon. And it's not arrogant, quite the opposite - if that would be wrong, it would mean that all the people around are acting like an assholes hoarding their knowledge, and thus impeding magical progress worldwide.

I would rather assume that people simply do not know, rather that they are prone to malice on purpose.

Influencing future outcomes is not an exact science,but many gamblers and other such folks with an interest in prediction, do play with probabilites,statistics and causality.This is also worth exploring,as it will add a dynamic that can be mathemagickally useful to any 'precognitive' understanding.

Nahemah, we are not talking about probability here. It is not about "guessing" what will happen in five minutes, or what will the next card be.
Future visions are sharp and exact - down to the shape of the clouds in the sky - these are, indeed, visions of the future.
To tame such gift would be to take responsibility of shaping one's own destiny, it would be to gain freedom for the rest of one's life.
Just seeing lottery numbers is not everything(despite being useful) - one could predict natural disasters and save oneself and one's friends from dying for example.

How our concept of time works and an understanding of the gaps and slips that occur in linear time could be most useful for you.Liminality,is important for understanding here too.
More later.Maybe.

Please do not hide useful knowledge, if you have any. Should we here discover something, we will share it with you.

Regards,

I didn't want to enter the discussion, but I have to say that I partially agree with Nahemah. On the other hand, it's all up to adonismanchet. No one makes us do anything.

Amorte,

Let us not argue about such minutia, because it doesn't lead anywhere.

If you people wish to discuss my opinions and my experience, send me a PM.

In the mean time, I finally updated my precognition theory with entry about rude energies.
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 89#p465089

Regards,

[thumbup] No arguing here.