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How do I gain the attention of Sammael? Or a higher being.
I am seeking to learn, but I wish to learn not from Bits an pieces, here and there, per say: I want to learn from an analogue.
If anyone is out there who wishes to pass their knowledge to a worthy student, I am here.

I think invoking Sammael, or any of the Qlippothic demons for that matter, might be a bit over your head right at the moment. As for attracting the attention of 'higher beings', first find an entity that isnt a serious major demon or anything that might just shred your mind for fun and start talking to them. Meditate on them, address them as a living, breathing thing and dedicate acts like the consumption of wine or fine foods to them. This takes time - its not a simple one-off act, it might take months or years to build up a good enough relationship with said 'higher being' to the point that they actually respond.

Good luck though, and keep practicing [thumbup]

Vine wrote:How do I gain the attention of Sammael?

Go to a locale were people abound and walk up to someone and punch them in the face. Or you could get shit-faced drunk or rape someone and or all three.

This should do the trick.



NOTICE: This is NOT recommended but effective.

Study this: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 46&t=33696

LandOfShadows wrote:Study this: http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewto ... 46&t=33696

This is pure nonsense.

Uman,

And you have read the material and used it then ?

Opening the lock is where you will find what your after, but to gain the ability to open the gate you need to be able to activate each of your inner Oribits/Chakara's this is done through the opening of the Lock and the daily mediations and understanding your window of use.

Hence why the full reading is required.

To say its nonesense I would imagine it makes no-sense to you... All though I feel this is a basic course for some it doesn't come naturally, and can take months or years to reach a level where it will make sense.

If either of you need more answers or have questions feel free to ask.

LoS

LandOfShadows wrote:Uman,

And you have read the material and used it then ?

Opening the lock is where you will find what your after, but to gain the ability to open the gate you need to be able to activate each of your inner Oribits/Chakara's this is done through the opening of the Lock and the daily mediations and understanding your window of use.

Hence why the full reading is required.

To say its nonesense I would imagine it makes no-sense to you... All though I feel this is a basic course for some it doesn't come naturally, and can take months or years to reach a level where it will make sense.

If either of you need more answers or have questions feel free to ask

LoS

Are you sh*ting me? Let's take an guided excursion through what can be wholly considered nonsense!

To open the gate one must activate an inner orbit chakara? I ain't got time for that! Lord Jesus, run for your life with Sorors Maryanne and Ginger who will initiate you into the mysterious Order of Gilligan's Island. Once you have made contact with Mr. Howell and slain his image you must submit thyself to the hyper skepticism of the Almighty Professor whence he will purge thee of the vanity of your puerile mind. [rolleyes]


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Uman,

Just looked at your posts and see many of them are the same as the Flame type responce you have given me.

You have an interest in Symbolism and that avenue of the Occult, hermetics perhaps ?... Temple of Solomon interest you at all ?
Solomon built that by Summoning the Djinn, I see you don't really follow such concepts of physical summoning... Not sure this topic is the right one for you, until your experience such things its not something a sain/logical/skeptical mind can bend to.

Please read the part of my flight of fantasy as you seem to see it as: 07 – The relationship of all
(I feel this will be more of interest to you than the Summoning techniques).

But even still, the question was how to Summon a Being, your responce was condasending and narrow minded, not only that but suggested violence.

LoS

LandOfShadows wrote:Uman,

Just looked at your posts and see many of them are the same as the Flame type responce you have given me.

Food tastes better with hot sauce, what's your point?

LandOfShadows wrote:
You have an interest in Symbolism and that avenue of the Occult, hermetics perhaps ?... Temple of Solomon interest you at all ?
Solomon built that by Summoning the Djinn, I see you don't really follow such concepts of physical summoning... Not sure this topic is the right one for you, until your experience such things its not something a sain/logical/skeptical mind can bend to.

Solomon summoned jack sh*t. He merely offered a wage to those who would help build the Temple - they were flesh and blood human beings not interdimensional ectoplasmic entities. Spin that any which way other than that which i've presented and you may be figuratively forever banished to Gilligan's Island.

LandOfShadows wrote: Please read the part of my flight of fantasy as you seem to see it as: 07 – The relationship of all
(I feel this will be more of interest to you than the Summoning techniques).

It's not worth my time - especially if the reasoning is anything like you've shown here. Maybe i will indulge you for the sake of discussion if you take the time to post what you feel may help to better explain your position. A word of caution i have an allergen to bullsh*t which may dictate immediate ridicule.

LandOfShadows wrote: But even still, the question was how to Summon a Being, your responce was condasending and narrow minded, not only that but suggested violence.

Pot calling kettle, I repeat, pot calling kettle. Narrow- Minded? Hmm, how about the concept of a Boogie Man? [rolleyes]

Uman,

The Boogie man is an interesting tale, from urban myth and history people have often reported shadow figures, often at night or between times of sleep/rest, this could be attributed to sleep paralisys... however I also feel the Djinn or other interdimensional beings could be part and parcel of the sightings.

I think me and you are poles apart.

And I am unsure why you are even in this forum if you feel that summoning is Bulls#it... After all one of the greatest occultist of all time, or most well noted, Aleister Crowley done various summonings.

I didn't mean to insult you by saying your comments are narrow minded, however someone comes here asking for help in conducting a summoning, a topic your clearly not in tune with and you place a responce, not only that you flame a person who then offers assistance that does have something constructive to add to an answer.

The Occult is a broad subject...
I do enjoy the symbolic side: For me though, the ritualistic side, astral projection, lucid sleep and summoning I enjoy the most.
Cultures world over envoke and summon energies and entities even today, to say that summoning is bullsh#t and your input to this forum thus far made me inclined to say your comment is narrow minded.

Unsure why you feel I am equally as bad... What I have expereinced is real, I have experienced it... it would be like telling a 3rd world person who has never been on a plane that you flew to their land, they would respond as you have, not a calling you primative... the oppersite infact, I feel the modern world has stripped away magic and replaced it with science, religon in todays world is mocked by the vast majority, spiritualism replaced with materialism... Not that I am judging or painting your to be something your not, as I could be very wrong, however you have made out I am delusional, without knowing me or what I have experienced first hand.

What I am saying is, you don't know what truth is, truth is what someone has experienced, truth should never be taught or accepted as truth, search for common axioms to find truth.

Search the net, you will find many people have experienced as I have.

LoS

LandOfShadows wrote:Uman,

The Boogie man is an interesting tale, from urban myth and history people have often reported shadow figures, often at night or between times of sleep/rest, this could be attributed to sleep paralisys... however I also feel the Djinn or other interdimensional beings could be part and parcel of the sightings.

"Here comes Peter Cotton tail hopping down the bunny trail..." A song and story I found very amusing when I was young[er]. The human imagination is a quality of mind that has virtually limitless potential - clearly some people shouldn't go in there alone.

LandOfShadows wrote: I think me and you are poles apart.

A classical dualist perception. There is no you, there is no me. "The way up and down are the same." ~Hippolytus of Rome

LandOfShadows wrote: And I am unsure why you are even in this forum if you feel that summoning is Bulls#it...

I wouldn't say it's Bulls#it... Now Bullsh*t would be a better descriptor. These demons and angels are merely mental manifestations of good and bad thoughts respectively. They are the result of early ontological excursions into the nature of reality, the nature of mind [quantum physics suggests the two are mutually dependent] which lacked the technical, conceptual wording, to properly explain the differentiated appearance of the phenomena -add to it the likelihood that most ancient people were slathering idiots and *poof* we have folklore and nonsensical imagery 9000...

LandOfShadows wrote: After all one of the greatest occultist of all time, or most well noted, Aleister Crowley done various summonings.

I find the following correlation interesting..

Savant - A learned person or scholar.
Idiot Savant - A person with a mental disability

Where Mr. Crowley, oooohhhh Mr. Allow me... falls into the gap is anyones guess.

One popular opinion:

Mr. Crowley, what went wrong in your head?
Oh, Mr. Crowley, did you talk with the dead?

LandOfShadows wrote:I didn't mean to insult you by saying your comments are narrow minded, however someone comes here asking for help in conducting a summoning, a topic your clearly not in tune with and you place a responce, not only that you flame a person who then offers assistance that does have something constructive to add to an answer.

Typical ego-driven, morally condescending, baddledash. Old McDonald had a farm, E I E I O...

LandOfShadows wrote: The Occult is a broad subject...
I do enjoy the symbolic side:

I enjoy the occult as well - I just prefer to forgo the Bullsh*t Salad its always served with.
Interesting Video in terms of providing a "thinking framework" for wading through the Bullshit - which, seemingly, you are still mired in.

LandOfShadows wrote: For me though, the ritualistic side, astral projection, lucid sleep and summoning I enjoy the most.
Cultures world over envoke and summon energies and entities even today, to say that summoning is bullsh#t

Read earlier response.

LandOfShadows wrote: and your input to this forum thus far made me inclined to say your comment is narrow minded.

Tamato, tomato...

LandOfShadows wrote: Unsure why you feel I am equally as bad...

I enjoyed the Flintstones early in my life. Now, I rarely watch TV.. just to much mind-warping Bullsh*t

LandOfShadows wrote: What I have expereinced is real, I have experienced it...

Oh I'm sure you've experienced something I just don't think it qualifies as supernatural. You've had what people have Daily. It's called a subjective experience - originating entirely within your mind. Can others say they've had similar experiences? Sure look at the founder of Mormonism or perhaps Judaism or even Christianity for example. We could say that similar experiences are had while on drugs, see Native or Shamanic religions. What is your point? What your saying isn't anything new it's just so much verbal rehash, ideological vomitus.

LandOfShadows wrote: it would be like telling a 3rd world person who has never been on a plane that you flew to their land, they would respond as you have, not a calling you primative... the oppersite infact, I feel the modern world has stripped away magic and replaced it with science,

Thank God! I mean all hail Science!

LandOfShadows wrote: religon in todays world is mocked by the vast majority, spiritualism replaced with materialism...

UI suppose you would prefer to wipe your *ss with tea leaves or perhaps sleep in a grass shack? Or maybe ride a horse into town to get your groceries like in the romantic age? Or perhaps agriculture, plumbing, and media technology is just to much for you to handle?

[rolleyes]

LandOfShadows wrote: Not that I am judging or painting your to be something your not, as I could be very wrong, however you have made out I am delusional, without knowing me or what I have experienced first hand.

Not delusional just dumb. I'm not judging you...

[rolleyes]

LandOfShadows wrote: What I am saying is, you don't know what truth is,

[rolleyes]

LandOfShadows wrote:truth is what someone has experienced, truth should never be taught or accepted as truth, search for common axioms to find truth.

I experience sh*t everyday fortunately I have a vocabulary which allows me to identify it as sh*t ergo *flush*

LandOfShadows wrote: Search the net, you will find many people have experienced as I have.

LoS

In closing:

Or a higher being.

You could always try out the K and C with your HGA...?

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/ess_hga.html

Edited to add:

I also believe that getting some down time with your 'Lower Primal Self' is a vital art of the growth process.

Vine wrote:How do I gain the attention of Sammael?




Go to a locale were people abound and walk up to someone and punch them in the face. Or you could get shit-faced drunk or rape someone and or all three.

This should do the trick.



NOTICE: This is NOT recommended but effective.

Yep.This would certainly be effective.

However you would surely not like the implications of summoning The Severity [Wrath] of God,in this manner.

Tl:dr:

Samael is a bit advanced,as far as attention seeking goes.

Basically,You should aim a lot lower and work your way up experientially,over time.

Nahemah wrote:

Tamato, tomato...

[rolleyes] [lol]

[rolleyes]

Uman,

I do enjoy Black Sabeth, I instantly recognised your quotes from the Lyrics.

Not sure if you mean to come aross as offencive or if I am reading it that way, trouble with the net.
I am not meaning to come aross offencive if I have offended you then I appologise.

Calling me dumb is un~founded, I have an IQ of 132, and although I struggle with spelling (Due to dyslexia I have still published my work). I have also gained a BTEC in Quantum Physics, it was part of the Level 2 course in Information Technology I studied.

Angelic and Demonic energies I would say the human mind has atributed the terms Angelic and Demonic to them, for me they are one and the same, and what we would coin as good/Angelic could just as easily be bad/demonic. The word Demon means Knowledge, Angels are of the Devine and Occult means Hidden, none are evil persay.

I am not going to preach that the XOYLO system works to you or try and prove any of it, all I can ask is people read it and make of it as they wish, I know I would get some stick for it, but I felt compelled to share it regardless. For me the system works and if it works for others then thats great.

LoS

LandOfShadows wrote:Uman,

I do enjoy Black Sabeth, I instantly recognised your quotes from the Lyrics.

Not sure if you mean to come aross as offencive or if I am reading it that way, trouble with the net.
I am not meaning to come aross offencive if I have offended you then I appologise.

Calling me dumb is un~founded, I have an IQ of 132, and although I struggle with spelling (Due to dyslexia I have still published my work). I have also gained a BTEC in Quantum Physics, it was part of the Level 2 course in Information Technology I studied.

Angelic and Demonic energies I would say the human mind has atributed the terms Angelic and Demonic to them, for me they are one and the same, and what we would coin as good/Angelic could just as easily be bad/demonic. The word Demon means Knowledge, Angels are of the Devine and Occult means Hidden, none are evil persay.

I am not going to preach that the XOYLO system works to you or try and prove any of it, all I can ask is people read it and make of it as they wish, I know I would get some stick for it, but I felt compelled to share it regardless. For me the system works and if it works for others then thats great.

LoS

Whatever floats your boat buddy.