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Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:12 am**

Has anyone had experience with the following for helping them see any type of "energy"?:
- Aura goggles (cobalt)
- Gotu kola supplements
- Blue lotus wine
- Magnetic experiments
- Acupuncture/Acupressure on the third eye

A Summary of each:

- Aura goggles are pretty self explanatory, they're the goggles that you wear for a while to help you see auras until you dont need them anymore.
- I read from a user on another forum that by taking 6 maximum dose Gotu kola pills a day, he was able to perceive chi. This seems to line up with the fact that I have read in other places that Gotu kola is a potent pineal gland activator. So I am going to try this.
- Blue Lotus Wine is basically red wine with blue lotus petals and bulbs steeped in for about a week. This supposedly increases psychic perceptions more potently than just smoking blue lotus; something about the properties of alcohol bringing out the effects.
- By magnetic experiments I mean the old method of placing a strong magnet's + side on your third eye, taping it there, and leaving it there for a while to stimulate the pineal gland. A more advanced method is to build a magnetic stimulation device such as the SHIVA device from Altered States, which is supposed to be similar to the god helmet.
- In Jill Ammon-Wexler's book on awakening the third eye, she mentions acupuncture and acupressure on the third eye point as a method for awakening it.

I will personally be trying all of these. I am saving up for the SHIVA device, but for now will use a simple neodymium magnet.

But, I would like to know, have any of you already tried any of these? If so, what were the effects, if any?

EDIT: Took out a question as to the best place to put the post.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:48 am**

Since these all mostly involve consumption of things, you'll have as much success as a regular dose of psychoactive drugs.
Biologically, One would probably prefer to be "tripping" all the time - naturally or drug assisted or otherwise.
Please post your resulting experiences.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:59 pm**

Most of those techniques sound a little dubious, especially if you're looking to induce long term and controllable clairvoyance. Why not go with the time honored classic of meditation and energy work? Sure it takes time and effort, but over the millennia it's proven to be the most reliable way to induce clairvoyance, and it's much safer (as long as you practice carefully, using a proven system) than messing with all sorts of unproven shortcuts with unknown (and quite possibly dangerous, in the case of drugs or magnets) effects.

Speaking for myself, I found the Flying Phoenix system of chi kung to be extremely effective in inducing clairvoyance, with results coming on within 3 months of 30 - 45m/day practice (especially the Monk Gazing at Moon exercise, which can be found on the first DVD in the series at taichimania.com), and like all decent systems of energy work, it also did a lot to improve physical health.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:46 pm**

Yes, it is correct that energy work and meditation are the most essential, however, I am trying to do this in combination with those (Qigong, Huna, etc.) in the hopes of more dramatic results than I'd get naturally.

If done properly, and not abused or used as a crutch, maybe these tools can be of assistance. For example, Gotu kola is an herb used in aushadhi, or awakening siddhis by the way of herbs.

I won't try EVERYTHING because to try everything that is supposed to awaken the third eye is simply too expensive (if you add in the regular intake of activator x, liquid zeolites, noni juice, monoatomic gold, and more)...plus it can't be safe to combine EVERYTHING...But the things mentioned in the initial post I'll try one at a time. And see what happens, if anything.

And Rin, thank you for suggesting the Flying Phoenix System - I will have to integrate that into my routine!

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:27 pm**

Honestly, I don't think you need any of it. I believe you have the abilities already within yourself. It's one thing to use these things as training wheels - so long as they don't stay too long and turn into a crutch.

You could also try more 'witchy' things like mugwort tea and such. I think you might be surprised at what can be accomplished with some simple herbalism as well.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:45 pm**

i can recommend the following exercise (hope it's ok if i don't respond to the question after the tools you listed - i don't use any of them). perhaps you know it already, but my energetic perception is definitly improving because of it, and i also think it's quite fun to do...

put an object in front of you and look at it for a bit, until you have established a good optical connection. then you start to see the object from the right and left side of the room as well, and from the side opposite you. you can end up seeing the object from 360 degrees all around it, and then add seeing it from above as well.
when i'm at this point, i quite often start to see the aura of the object...
if you want to, add perceiving the object in time to the whole - it will start to look like it's hovering in time and space.

step two could be to actually pop into the object once you established the described way of perceiving it, and try to actually "be" it. if it's a fork, try to experience the energy-pattern "fork".
this i find to be really helpful to improve my perceiving the energypatterns of things and beings around me...
don't forget to de-fork after you pulled out of it again : D

and, if that''s your style, ask the object first before entering it, and say thank you in the end for sharing it's secrets with you...

palindrom

p.s.: the exercise is a combination of exercises from pete carroll's "liber null" and franz bardon's "initiation into hermetics"

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:45 pm**

I have to say that it sounds a bit sketchy to do drugs.
I'm sure you'll see something, but it hard to say what exactly it is.
^Remember not to try drugs that is being recommended over the internet.
If you are going to do it, do it with an experienced traveler that can help you in person and actually provide medical care if something goes wrong.

"Acupuncture/Acupressure on the third eye"
Make sure you go to a licensed practitioner for this.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:07 pm**

Make sure you go to a licensed practitioner for this.

Not just a licensed one, but one who has an in depth understanding of the spiritual ramifications of their work. These days the TCM field is filled with practitioners who have no idea of the spiritual roots or influences of their practices, who have no spiritual or energetic training and who treat it like Western medicine and practice it as a by the book "if X then Y" curative process and not the organic, holistic healing technique it originated as, and these practitioners are churned out by the thousands by the mainstream schools. There's been a bit of a rebellion against this with a renaissance of what's being called "Classical Chinese Medicine" as opposed to the modernized TCM, but it's only just taking off, so we're looking at some time to see if it has any widespread impact.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:38 pm**

palindrom wrote:i can recommend the following exercise (hope it's ok if i don't respond to the question after the tools you listed - i don't use any of them). perhaps you know it already, but my energetic perception is definitly improving because of it, and i also think it's quite fun to do...

put an object in front of you and look at it for a bit, until you have established a good optical connection. then you start to see the object from the right and left side of the room as well, and from the side opposite you. you can end up seeing the object from 360 degrees all around it, and then add seeing it from above as well.
when i'm at this point, i quite often start to see the aura of the object...
if you want to, add perceiving the object in time to the whole - it will start to look like it's hovering in time and space.

step two could be to actually pop into the object once you established the described way of perceiving it, and try to actually "be" it. if it's a fork, try to experience the energy-pattern "fork".
this i find to be really helpful to improve my perceiving the energypatterns of things and beings around me...
don't forget to de-fork after you pulled out of it again : D

and, if that''s your style, ask the object first before entering it, and say thank you in the end for sharing it's secrets with you...

palindrom

p.s.: the exercise is a combination of exercises from pete carroll's "liber null" and franz bardon's "initiation into hermetics"

Thank you.

And I would certainly only go to a licensed acupuncturist to have anything done.

Posted: **Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:32 pm**

Gotu kola has lots of potential side effects at higher doses, so I'm going to cancel trying the Gotu kola and blue lotus methods (because I dont know the effects of blue lotus).

So that just leaves...aura goggles, acupressure (not doing acupuncture), and magnet.

Note that my posts are not intended to be advice, just stuff I personally am trying and reporting on.

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:36 am**

There is a really nice book I came across in the undernet a while back regarding "medicinal plants", their history (of course related to spiritualism) and past & contemporary uses. If I find it again, I'll grab it to post here. May be relevant.

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:01 am**

cyberdemon wrote:There is a really nice book I came across in the undernet a while back regarding "medicinal plants", their history (of course related to spiritualism) and past & contemporary uses. If I find it again, I'll grab it to post here. May be relevant.

Please remember that you can't post an entire book, as to do so would probably break international copyright laws. I have no problem with people referencing books so that others can look them up, or posting links to key pages that relate to the topic being discussed, but please don't post a whole book. [grin]

Posted: **Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:48 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:54 am**

Good aura googles are expensive and difficult to get the real thing. BUT, if you can obtain a real pair of them, they DO work very quickly, and one can expect results almost immediately with them. I have myself used the real version. One can do AURA VISION practise by taking your own hands and gazing directly at a point past them while slowly separating them from touching each others fingertips, in a darkly lit room. Once you can see emanations coming off of the fingertips when pulling the hands apart, something like pale white smoke emanating off the tips of the fingers, you can go to the next phase of peering past a persons head in a darkly lit room, and with "peripheral vision", sense around the head to feel or see any subtle energy or color difference. After that aspect is successfully completed, you should be able to sense, feel, or see clearly and DIRECTLY, auras around all living beings, and including stones, and invisible beings too.

Be careful when using any substances to open the gates to invisible worlds, especially if you haven't learned techniques of Psychic self-protection beforehand.

I used true Alchemical Mercury on the "3rd eye", and left it there while I accidentally fell asleep. I woke up to an intense PHYSICAL feeling of something boring straight into my brain, but the sensation stopped when I had removed the Mercurial Stone. I also had powerful Visions of past lives when using the Stone at 1st.

Posted: **Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:54 am**

I haven't tried any of what was listed, although I've always been interested in trying Blue Lotus, both as tea and as an herbal smoking blend.

I've experimented with psychedelics quite a bit, and they've led to my discovery of how simple it is to view auras, and other forms of worldly energy. I'ts just a matter of knowing "how" to see.
Open-eye meditation is a very potent technique, and learning to do it will assist a lot in seeing energy.

I'm not sure how much the pineal gland actually has to do with any of it. And I've been dissuaded by many members here as to the relevance of the pineal at all.
I can say, however, that the deeper I attempt to gaze into the unseen, the quicker my eyesight is being sealed. I'll eventually end up with blindness, I'm sure. I can't even hold a meditation with my eyes open for more than a few moments, without feeling like my eyes are turning in on themselves.
I'm not sure if this is the same for others, but I try not to use soft-vision very much, if possible.

Soft-vision is the act of seeing with each eye individually, and is both what happens naturally on hallucinogenic drugs (at least LSD), and what is forced during open-eye meditation. A few books I've read have called it other things as well, but I refer to it as "seeing through the veil." Half way between soft-vision and normal sight is your aim when attempting to see auras.

Posted: **Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:22 pm**

Here are the aura glasses I just bought:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AURA-GLASSES-ra ... 27f7e08872

I will do a review of these glasses here about a week of use, once I receive them. These glasses do not use the exact dye that Kilner's glasses did, but a similar one...the only reason I took a chance on these, given that they do not use the exact same dye, is because some of its reviews seem legit. Since you cannot control what feedback a buyer leaves on Ebay, I would expect a significant portion of the reviews to be negative if these did not work to some degree, but the item's reviews are overwhelmingly positive. So I decided to test them out.

I will say whether they work or not, to what degree, and I will also see how they work during and after qigong and energy work. The only time I have been able to see auras is right after qigong, so it wilp be interesting to see if my natural abilities are compounded by the glasses.

Tonight is the first night I will be sleeping with a neodymium magnet over my third eye point, also. Will tell you guys if that results in anything as well.

Posted: **Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:28 am**

Well.
I never knew ebay had an "Occult aisle". Interesting.

Posted: **Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:12 pm**

I have returned to post my review of the aura glasses.

They definitely work, in my opinion, which I was honestly a bit surprised about considering that I got them for approximately $20 on Ebay. Although I can say they work because I could see my own aura more easily and strongly than ever before with these glasses, I cannot yet vouch for their quality compared to other aura glasses: with these particular glasses, I could see what looked like the first layer of the aura, but nothing beyond that. Maybe with some practice, I will be able to see more, hopefully.

Pros: They work fast, in my case within 5 minutes of concentration. They are cheap. They come with instructions on how to use them to see the aura.

Cons: they are flimsy because the frames are made of thin cardboard.

There is a more expensive version of these glasses that are better quality (not made of cardboard...) and I will buy those, I just had to make sure they worked first.

I have read that after consistent wearing of aura glasses for a period of time, you should be able to see auras on your own and not need them anymore. I will see where I am with that in a few months.

Posted: **Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:44 pm**

Might be a bit of a long-shot, but could you try taking pictures using these glasses? Put them over a camera, I mean. Results might be interesting.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:21 am**

do the glasses really work for you . i really need to know cuz ive been wanting to buy them for a long time but was unsure of there effectiveness.
thanks if you can answer.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:25 am**

cyberdemon wrote:Might be a bit of a long-shot, but could you try taking pictures using these glasses? Put them over a camera, I mean. Results might be interesting.

its a long shot.
for some reason eye's and a brain are needed to be able to see the effect.
your eye's and a camera do not see the world the same way. camera's still have a long way to go before they can see the way we do i believe.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:34 am**

nightjade wrote:
cyberdemon wrote:Might be a bit of a long-shot, but could you try taking pictures using these glasses? Put them over a camera, I mean. Results might be interesting.
its a long shot.
for some reason eye's and a brain are needed to be able to see the effect.
your eye's and a camera do not see the world the same way. camera's still have a long way to go before they can see the way we do i believe.

One could say that certain things seen through infrared or ultraviolet lenses are relatable to seeing auras. If we could separate the proper level of light in which the aura exists, I suppose it could be a possibility to record them with a camera.

Someone versed in electronics should be doing work. We need more occultists who contribute to the scientific community.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:20 pm**

all aura glasses and goggles work by cutting out all but the extreme ends of the human visible spectrum. the deepest blues into ultraviolet's & the deep reds into the infrareds.
all external visable light needs to be blocked out for true and proper aura goggles/glasses to work. no one knows how it really works but what we do know is that
by cutting out most visible light and leaving the extreme end of the spectrum for the eye's and brain to process it somehow extends how much of the spectrum your able to see permanently leading to full blown etheric sight .

now something thats common knowledge but really wrong about the eye's is that people think that human sensitivity is only from 400nm to 700nm of the entire em spectrum when it's really from 310nm to 1060. theres been at least two studies back in the day that i know of on the eye's sensitivity. what was found was that we see deep into both ends of the spectrum but because the light where most sensitive too blocks out our perception on both ends we don't process the light we are less sensitive too.

with just a bit of googleing this and much more can be found out.

i have alote more to say on aura goggles so il come back later when ive fleshed out my thoughts a little more

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:06 am**

nightjade wrote:all aura glasses and goggles work by cutting out all but the extreme ends of the human visible spectrum. the deepest blues into ultraviolet's & the deep reds into the infrareds.
all external visable light needs to be blocked out for true and proper aura goggles/glasses to work. no one knows how it really works but what we do know is that
by cutting out most visible light and leaving the extreme end of the spectrum for the eye's and brain to process it somehow extends how much of the spectrum your able to see permanently leading to full blown etheric sight .

now something thats common knowledge but really wrong about the eye's is that people think that human sensitivity is only from 400nm to 700nm of the entire em spectrum when it's really from 310nm to 1060. theres been at least two studies back in the day that i know of on the eye's sensitivity. what was found was that we see deep into both ends of the spectrum but because the light where most sensitive too blocks out our perception on both ends we don't process the light we are less sensitive too.

with just a bit of googleing this and much more can be found out.

i have alote more to say on aura goggles so il come back later when ive fleshed out my thoughts a little more

It sounds like, if anything, they could be used for increasing your own ability to see into other spectrums of light. for this reason alone I might consider getting a cheap set of lenses. Or, if I can find the proper knowledge, create my own lenses. That's all you really need, you can design frames yourself with absolutely no problem.

Posted: **Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:30 pm**

thats actually what the goggle/glassess do. they allow the eye's ability the see the spectrum to increase beyond what we thought was possible for humans.
the original spectrum of the first ever aura goggles are online so it is possible to make your own .

when it comes to clairvoyance. know one really had any methods to acquire etheric sight. the other clairvoyant powers yes but etheric sight no.
because unlike the higher forms of clairvoyance etheric sight and the etheric world are part of the physical workd. it can be thought of as the higher physical that connects the lower physical with the astral.

go here

http://primummobile.org/tiki-index.php? ... r+Dicyanin

take a look around the site it should have everything you need to try to make your own

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