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May sound ignorant- however since I believe that all that we believe is real- I was under the impression Lovecraft's Necronomicon was very much fictitious. Has the wide following given life to something that otherwise was regarded as a joke? If I'm not mistaken it has no real roots in historical events nor correlation to other Ancient followings? Never followed it enough to state that i feel one way or the other.

JohnTitor wrote:May sound ignorant- however since I believe that all that we believe is real- I was under the impression Lovecraft's Necronomicon was very much fictitious. Has the wide following given life to something that otherwise was regarded as a joke? If I'm not mistaken it has no real roots in historical events nor correlation to other Ancient followings? Never followed it enough to state that i feel one way or the other.

If enough people believe in something it is real.

Lovecraft made a piece of fiction.
Simon made a haux.
People made it real.

Much as the goathead gaining popularity was actually a depiction of Moses. I was shocked utterly to discover this fun fact. Moses was depicted with goathorns and the idea spiraled out of control and was more or less deified

Desecrated wrote: If enough people believe in something it is real.

Lovecraft made a piece of fiction.
Simon made a haux.
People made it real.

Which is basically 'pop-magick' in a nutshell. [grin]

Thank you all for the insight Very similar to what I had assumed. I think I have grounds for a new topic.

Peter Levenda's "The Dark Lord" is the best thing someone into Lovecraftian magic can buy. Probably authout of Simon Necronomicon, he's well versed in Grant's Typhonian order, Lovecraftian magic, Thelema, ascent literature, etc. Whether the Necronomicon means anything or not (it's not a "hoax" it was 80s psychodrama) Lovecraft seems to have tapped into the same current as Crowley did, and that makes his work "objectively" important.

Lovecraft seems to have tapped into the same current as Crowley did

How do you figure?

Rin wrote:

Lovecraft seems to have tapped into the same current as Crowley did

How do you figure?

Lots of reasons. The date of the Cthulhu ritual in Call of Cthulhu is the same date Crowley wrote most of his holy books. Kenneth Grant's Typhonian order is based around Lovecraft as well. The description of the universe in Lovecraft's works depict spheres, extra-dimensional beings, etc. like in From Beyond and The Dunwch Horror.. The deities can perfectly inversely correspond to the light tree of life. Careful study of his works also includes circumpolar ascension as seen in works like Polaris and Whisperer in the Darkness. Where as Crowley can be seen as a tool used to communicate for outside forces of the Aeon Lovecraft is viewing those forces from an ignorant, non-initiated perspective.

I highly recommend The Dark Lord by Levenda for an in depth thesis on this. Also I just started studying the Order of Nine Angles material and it's very obviously Lovecraftian based magic.

JohnTitor wrote:Much as the goathead gaining popularity was actually a depiction of Moses. I was shocked utterly to discover this fun fact. Moses was depicted with goathorns and the idea spiraled out of control and was more or less deified

I've always thought it seemed most likely that goat features of Baphomet and such go back to Pan. But yes, I do know that many people used to think Moses had horns because of a biblical mistranslation.

Lovecraft himself said that the Necronomicon was fictitious and his own invention. However, it seems there are some people who think that he only claimed that it was fictitious to keep people from seeking it out and bringing about the destruction of the world (which I think is very farfetched, to say the least). But I do remember from the MySpace days, being in touch with Venger Satanis, High Priest of the Cult of Cthulhu, who had identified as a Satanist before becoming... whatever he considers himself (said with all due respect). From what I understand it seems like maybe he uses the "belief as a tool" approach (which is something I love about chaos magick), in which you make things real by believing in them and applying them to modify your life, etc.