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Do you believe in the Jinn?

Many people experienced those spirits either mentally or physically. In Islam we believe in them just as we are told to believe in the angels otherwise our faith in God and his chosen religion with the testimony won't be accepted. Because for the very simple reason is that God wants us to believe in the unseen world in order for people to have “Have faith” and “keep the faith” in that sense to test all of us in different ways.

What do you know about the Jinn Race?

The Jinn (demons) is the second creation of God after the Angels. Unlike the angels that were created from Light, the Jinn were created from Smokeless Fire.

God (Allah) mixed fire and plants, so the form of the jinn was set up as an inter space between two things, It is between a bodily spirit with a place in depth and a spirit without “where”.

That which accepts embodiment seeks for food for nourishment without falsehood, And that which accepts the angels, accepts the heart in taking shape in the source. For this reason, it obeys one moment and rebels the next. He will repay those of them who disobey with two fires.

Creation of the Jinn, Angels and Man.

Allah (God) says, “He created jinn from a fusion of smokeless fire.” (55:14)

It is reported in sound hadith [saying of the Prophet]

“Allah created the angels from light and Allah created the jinn from fire and He created man from what you were told.”

As for what the Prophet said about the creation of man “from what you were told”, he was concise and did not specify it as he did in the case of the creation of the angels and the jinn. The Prophet “was given all the words”. This is part of them. The basic creation of angels and jinn did not vary.

1.The creation of man is varied as there are four categories of man’s creation.

2.The creation of Adam does not resemble the creation of Eve.

3.The creation of Eve does not resemble the creation of the rest of the children of Adam.

4.The creation of Jesus does not resemble the creation of the others.

Here the Messenger of Allah was concise. He has transmitted to us the details of the creation of man.

1-Adam was created from clay, 2-Eve from a rib, 3-Jesus is from the blowing of a spirit, and the 4-children of Adam from “a contemptible water“. (77:20)

The conceptual cohesion of heaven and earth

When Allah set up the four basic elements and smoke rose to the bottom of the Sphere of Fixed Stars, the seven heavens unwound themselves in that smoke, each separate from each other.

He “revealed, in every heaven, its ordinance” after “He established in it its nourishment” and all that was “in four days”. Then he said to the heavens and the earth :

“Come willingly or unwillingly.” (41:9-11)

i.e. they answer when they are called to produce what He wants them to produce. They said, “we come willingly.”

Then Allah established a conceptual cohesion between heaven and earth and a direction by which He desires to bring into existence products in this earth in the form of minerals, plants and animals. He made the earth like the wife and the heaven like the husband.

The heaven casts to earth the command of Allah in it as a man casts water into a woman in intercourse. In that casting, the earth brings forth the types of formations which Allah has hidden in its.

The four elements and the formation of man and jinn

When air is ignited and heated, it burns like the lamp. The burning of that fire is the flame which is the burning of the air and this is smokeless (marj, jumbled) because it is mixed with the air and is the burning air. Marj is mixture and from this the smokeless is marj since the plants are mixed in it.

The jinn are composed of the two elements of fire and air, as man is composed of the two elements of water and earth kneaded together which produced the name mud.

Similarly the mixture of air and fire has the name ‘smokeless fire’. Allah created the form of jinn in that smokeless fire. Because of the air which is in the jinn, they can assume whatever form they wish.

Because of the fire which is in them, they are insubstantial and very subtle, and they seek dominance, pride and might since fire has the highest position of the elements and it has great power to change things as nature demands.

That is the reason why he the jinn Iblis (Satan) was too proud to prostrate to Adam when Allah commanded him to do so, because of his own estimation of himself. He said :

“I am better than Him” (7:12)

i.e. meaning according to the basis by which Allah preferred fire among the four elements.

The jinn did not know that the power of water from which Adam was created was stronger than fire for it extinguishes it and earth is firmer than fire by cold and dryness.

Adam has strength and constancy by the dominance of the two elements from which Allah derived him. Even though he also possesses the rest of the elements – air and fire, they do not have the authority in him.

The jinn also have the rest of the elements…

Adam was given humility on account of the clayness of his nature.
When he is proud, that is incidental (and not intrinsic to his nature).
He accepts that because of the element of fire in him as his imagination and states accept different forms because of the element of air in him.

The jinn are given pride by the nature of fire in them. If they are humble, that is something incidental which they accept because of the element of earth in them. They also accept fixation in enticement if they are devils and fixation in acts of obedience if they are not devils.

When the Prophet recited Surat ar-Rahman to his Companions, he said,

“I was reciting it for the jinn. They listened to it better than you. When I said, ‘So which of your Lord’s blessings will you deny?’ they stated, ‘We do not deny any of the blessings of our Lord’. They affirmed them and did not quake when they were told, “So which of your Lord’s blessings will you deny?” in his recitation. That is by is in the nature of the jinn of earth and of water which remove the fieriness of fire. Some of them are obedient to Allah and some are rebellious, like us; but they can take on forms as can the angels.

Their basic form is spiritual.

Allah has made them invisible to us so we do not see them except when Allah wishes to lift the veil for certain individuals who then see them. Since the jinn are insubstantial and subtle, they can take form in whatever sensory form they wish.

Their basic form is the spiritual one which was the first form the first jinn accepted when Allah brought him into existence. Then he took on various forms according to what Allah willed.

If Allah had opened our eyes so that we could see what the forms conceived by the conceptual faculty through the imagination (khayal), then at different times you would have seen man in various forms which are unlike one another.

Procreation in jinn and men

Then Allah breathed the spirit into the flame which was full of turbulence because of its insubstantiality. The blowing increased the turbulence and air dominated it and it did not remain in the same condition. The world of the jinn appeared in that form.

As intercourse occurred in mankind by the casting of water in the womb and progeny and birth occurs in this mortal Adamic species,
So procreation occurs in the jinn by casting air into the womb of their female, and progeny and birth occurs in the jinn.

They exist by Sagittarius and it is fiery. That was mentioned by the one who arrived – may Allah preserve him!

The years between the creation of jinn and men.

There were 60,000 years between the creation of Jann (the first jinn) and the creation of Adam. This is necessary according to the claim of some people that birth will cease among the jinn after 4000 years and that birth will end with man after 7000 years.

However, things do not occur on that basis. Things will occur occurring to what Allah wills. The jinn still procreate and we still procreate. So when did man begin, how many years of progeny does he have left and how much time remains until the end of this world and the annihilation of mankind on the face of the earth and their transfer to the Next World? This is not the stance taken by those who are firmly rooted in knowledge. It is stated by a small group of people and will not be repeated.

The Jinn are an inter space between angels and men.

The angels are spirits breathed into lights.
The jinn are spirits breathed into winds.
Men are spirits breathed into shapes.
It is said that a female was not separated from the first existing jinn as Eve was separated from Adam.

One of them said Allah created a vulva in the first existent jinn, so part of him mated with the other part and offspring like those of Adam were born to him: a male and female who married each other.

So the jinn’s nature was hermaphrodite. For that reason the jinn are part of the world of the inter space: they resemble men and resemble angels as the hermaphrodite resembles both the male and female.

The food and marriage of the jinn.

The elements of air and fire dominate the jinn. For that reason, their food is what the air carried by of fat in bones. Allah made their provision in them. So we see that the bone and its flesh is not decreased at all and we know that Allah gave them their sustenance in the bones. This is why the Prophet Muhammad said about bones :

“They are sustenance for your brothers among the jinn.”

In a hadith, “Allah appoints their sustenance in them.”

Someone to whom this was unveiled reported to us that he saw the jinn come to some bones and sniff them like beasts of pray sniff. Then they went back having taken their sustenance. Their food was taken in that sniffing. Glory be to the Subtle, the All-Aware!
As their union with each other in marriage, it is in the form of twisting – like what you see of smoke issuing from a kiln or a pottery oven.

The smoke intermingles and each of the two individuals enjoys that mutual entry. Their ejaculation resembles like the seed of the palm and is in the form of pure scent, just as is the case with their food.

The tribes and clans of the jinn.

They have tribes and clans. It is said that they are contained in twelve tribes and then they branch into sub-tribes. There are great wars between them, and some whirlwinds are, in fact, the centre of their battles. The whirlwind is the mutual opposition of two opposing winds, each preventing its companion from passing through.

So that barrier leads to the circle witnessed visually in the physical dust which is the effect of the mutual opposition of the two winds. Their battles are like that, but not every whirlwind is on of their battles. The story of ‘Amr the jinn is famous. He was killed in a whirlwind which was seen. It dispersed from him while he was dying.

It did not take long for him to die. He was a pious jinn. If the basis of this book had been to present traditions and tales, we would have mentioned some of them, but this is a book about the science of meanings. You can look for their stories elsewhere in book of history and poems.

The manner in which the spiritual world appears in forms.

When this spiritual world takes on shape and appears in a sensory form, the eyes confine it since it cannot abandon that form as long as the eye continues to look at it although that it is the human being which is looking.

When human eye defines it and continues to look at it, the spiritual (ruhani) being does not have a place into which it can disappear, so this spiritual being manifests a form which it puts on itself like a veil. Then the spiritual being makes the person imagine the form that has left him in a particular direction, so his eye follows it.

When his eye follows it, the spiritual being leaves its confinement and vanishes. When it disappears, that form vanishes from the sight of the one who is looking at it and following it with his eye. In relation to the spiritual being, that form is like light is in the case of a lamp whose light is diffused in the corners.

When the body of the lamp is absent, the light is lost. It is thus with this form. If someone knows this and wants to confine that spiritual being, he should not follow the form with his eye. This is one of the divine secrets which are only known by the instruction of Allah. The form is not other than spiritual being.

Indeed it is the same, even if it is in a thousand places, or in every place, with different shapes. If it happens that one of those forms is slain and apparently dies, that spiritual being moves from the life of this world to the interspace just as we move when we die. No information about it remains in this world, just as is the case with us.

Those sensory forms in which the spiritual beings appear are called ‘bodies’.

It is the words of Allah,

“We cast a mere body on his throne” (38:34)
and
“We did not give them bodies which did not eat food.” (21:8)

The difference between jinn and angels, even though they share in spirituality, is that the food of the jinn consists of foods found in natural bodies. The angels are not like that. That is why Allah mentioned in the story of the guests of Abraham,

“When he saw that their hands were not reaching for it, he was suspicious of them” (11:70)

i.e. the angels did not reach for the roasted calf and they did not eat it which made him afraid.

The formation of the world of the jinn.

When the time for the formation of the world of the jinn came, He directed three of the trusty angels in the first sphere who took their deputies which they needed for this formation from the second heaven. Then they descended to the heavens and took two deputies from the second and the sixth there.

They descended to the elements and prepared the place. Three other guardians followed them, and they took whatever deputies they needed from the second heaven, and then descended to the third heaven, and to the fifth from there.

They took two angels. They passed by the sixth heaven and took another deputy from the angels. Then they descended to the elements in order to complete the formation. The remaining six descended and took the remaining deputies in the second heaven and the heavens. All were gathered for the ordering of this formation by the permission of the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.

When the formation of the world of the jinn was complete, Allah directed the spirit from the World of Command and breathed a spirit into that form by which life flowed into it. It stood uttering the praise and glorification of the One Who brought it into existence: this is the natural disposition on which He fashioned it.

Within it there was might and immensity whose cause is not recognized nor discovered since at that time there was no another creature in existence in the world of nature other than it. It remained worshipping its Lord, proclaiming His power, humble to the Lordship of the One who brought it into existence by what was in its being until Adam was created.

When the jinn saw his form, one of them, whose name was Harith, was overcome with hatred for that organism and he glowered at the sight of the form of Adam. The rest of his species saw that and they censured him for that since they saw that he had grief and sorrow because of it.

When Adam’s business was complete, al-Harith displayed what he felt in himself and refused to obey the command of his Creator to prostrate to Adam and became arrogant towards Adam because of his own constitution and he boasted of his origin [from fire which he said was better than earth].

He failed to see the secret of the power of that water from which Allah created every living thing, and from which comes the life of the jinn although they are not aware of it.

The creation of Adam and the formation of man.

If you are among the people of unveiling, reflect on the words of Allah,

“and His throne was upon the waters.” (11:7)

So the throne and the creatures around it were brought to life by water.

“There is nothing which does not glorify His praise.” (17:44)

He used the negative. Only the living glorifies. In an excellent hadith from the Messenger of Allah said,

“The angels said, ‘O Lord (in a long hadith)!

Have You created anything stronger than fire?’ He replied, ‘Yes, water.'”

So He made water stronger than fire. If the element of air in the structure of the jinn had not been ignited by fire, the jinn would have been stronger than the children of Adam, for air is stronger than water. In this hadith, the angels asked,

“O Lord, have You created anything stronger than air?” He replied, “Yes, the children of Adam.”

Allah made the human organism stronger than air. Water is stronger than fire, and it is the main element in man as fire is the main element in the jinn. This is why Allah said about Shaytan (Satan),

“Surely the guile of Shaytan is ever feeble.” (4:76)

He did not ascribe any strength to him at all. He did not deny it to the Governor (of Egypt) when he said,

“surely your guile is great” (12:27)

The reason for that is that the human organism accords deliberateness in matters, perseverance, meditation and reflection due to the predominance of the elements of earth and water in the human temperament. Thus the human being has ample intellect because earth holds him back and restrains him while water makes him supple and easy. The jinn are not like that.

The jinn’s intellect does not possess that which will enable him to hold to something as the human being does. This is why we say, “So-and-so is ‘light’ of intellect and dim-witted” when he is frivolous and foolish! This is the attribute of the jinn, and by it the jinn strays from the path of guidance due to the frivolous nature of his intellect and his lack of firmness in his thought.

So he said, “I am better than him,” (7:12)
and combined ignorance and bad manners because of his frivolous nature.

The first shaytan of the jinn.

So any jinn who rebels is shaytan (a devil),
i.e. one who is far from the mercy of Allah. Al-Harith was the first jinn to be called shaytan.
Allah drove him to despair, i.e. drove him out of His mercy and repelled mercy from him.

From him all the shaytans branch out.

Any jinn who believe, like Hama ibn Alham ibn Laqis ibn Iblis, join the believing jinn. Any who remains an unbeliever is a shaytan. It is a matter of some dispute among the scholars of the Shari’a). Some of them say that the shaytan never submits, deriving this from what the Prophet said about his shaytan who was the companion entrusted to him,

“Allah gave me power over him and he submitted (aslama).”

The one who interprets what he said as “aslamu” takes it to mean: “I am safe from him” and he has no way against me. Thus the interpretation varies. If it is interpreted as “aslama” it is submission. It means that he submitted although he was an enemy and so he only commands me to do good, compelled to do so by Allah and as a protection for the Messenger of Allah. The opponent says that “aslama” means that he believed in Allah as the unbeliever becomes Muslim and thus becomes a believer. This is more appropriate and acceptable.

Iblis (Satan) was the first of the wretched jinn.

Most people claim that al-Harith was the first of the jinn, and that he was in the same position to the rest of the jinn as Adam is to mankind.

We do not think that that is the case. Al-Harith was one of the jinn, but the first among them who is in the same position as Adam is to mankind was someone else. That is why Allah says,

“Iblis was one of the jinn” (18:50)
i.e. he was from this category of creation.

Similarly Qabil (Cain) was one of mankind, but Allah wrote him down among the wretched. He was the first of the wretched among mankind, and Iblis was the first of the wretched among the jinn. The majority of the punishment of the shaytans of the jinn in the Hellfire is by severe cold, not by heat, although they may be punished with fire. Most of the punishment of the descendants of Adam is through fire.

One day I came upon one of the saints whose intellect was deranged. He was weeping and saying to the people, “Do not stop with His words, ‘I shall assuredly fill Hellfire with you’ (38:85) and apply them to Iblis alone. Look how He alluded to you when He said, ‘…Hellfire with you‘. Iblis was created from fire, so he returns to his source – may Allah curse him! If Iblis is punished with it, the punishment of pottery by fire is greater, so take heed!”

When Hellfire (Jahannam) was mentioned, this saint only thought of fire in particular, and was heedless of the fact that Jahannam is a name for both its intense heat and its intense cold. It is called Jahannam by its frowning (jahama. Jahuma means “to have an ugly face“) because its appearance is hateful.

Jaham is the word for clouds which have already poured out their water. Abundant rain is the mercy of Allah. When Allah has removed the rain from the clouds, then the name jaham is applied to them. since the mercy, which was abundant rain, has vanished. Similarly, Allah has removed mercy from Jahannam which is hateful in appearance and report. It is also called Jahannam because of its great depth.

One says, “the depths of Jahannam” when something is very deep. We ask Allah Almighty, to give us and the believers security from it.

I think I'll stop here as there is more but I don't want to overload your brain, please share your thoughts. [wink]

Thanks for the history lesson.

This is about all I have to offer back, because that's about all you really did.

I enjoy the posts, but seriously..

You're on a site full of occultists (take that word as you will.)
There's a pretty likely chance that most of the people here believe in spirits in some fashion or another.
You don't need to keep asking us, and giving us material like we're children. While that may be useful for some members here, those who are actually interested in what you have to say show immediate disinterest due to how you present yourself.

This isn't meant to be an insult, just a blatant observation. I know a lot of other members who'd be happy to add in to your discussions if they were more appealing to read. You bring forth some good content, but as I said, it feels like you're trying to talk to someone who has never had the conception of what a spirit is in their entire lives.

I have little of knowledge our new guest is offering and I absolutly love this style of presenting. [yay]

Just personal opinions Haelos. Whats matter is knowledge behinde this words. [thumbup]

Praise Teh Sun \[T]/ [cool]

Maya The Generator wrote:I have little of knowledge our new guest is offering and I absolutly love this style of presenting. [yay]

Just personal opinions Haelos. Whats matter is knowledge behinde this words. [thumbup]

Praise Teh Sun \[T]/ [cool]

This, I cannot disagree with. I mostly make reference to the fact that this is about his 5th thread with very few people responding. Especially some of the members here I know are always anxious to drop in when and where they can (such as myself, lol.)
He has a good way of presenting things, but when it comes to the level of intellect he's addressing, many here are left out. That's just what I sense out of the matter, anyway. I could be totally wrong, and people aren't responding just because they're dicks. Who knows. I prefer the former, personally.
(Because fo'real, this 'issue' is the only reason this thread isn't already like 5 pages long.)

People work their inner lessons diffrently so their crave for diffrent knowledge and diffrent aproach. I read SpiritualMasterSlave posts and I find them interesting but I do not have knowledge to discuss with you two about a topic so I did not. Others surely want to be prepared before conversation coz they want to respect time and effort put by author of topic. [thumbup]

Haelos you are very hasty when it comes to communication via forum(and I do not mean it offensivly, you are just fast when it comes to this type of communication). Some people surely do not visit site more than once a week. And I can say for myself often I am 24/7 on forum just reading some old posts or just AFK but do not have anything valuable to say so I do not.

Sorry for Off-topic. If this is inconvinient for author I have no problem delating my msgs. [tongue]

Have a Good Day and Praise Teh Sun within a Cloud \[T]/ [cool]

Haelos wrote:Thanks for the history lesson.

This is about all I have to offer back, because that's about all you really did.

I enjoy the posts, but seriously..

You're on a site full of occultists (take that word as you will.)
There's a pretty likely chance that most of the people here believe in spirits in some fashion or another.
You don't need to keep asking us, and giving us material like we're children. While that may be useful for some members here, those who are actually interested in what you have to say show immediate disinterest due to how you present yourself.

This isn't meant to be an insult, just a blatant observation. I know a lot of other members who'd be happy to add in to your discussions if they were more appealing to read. You bring forth some good content, but as I said, it feels like you're trying to talk to someone who has never had the conception of what a spirit is in their entire lives.

I really appreciate your comment. I'm aware that im on a site full of occultists, am no exception. This is my third post and I did not kept asking anyone anything. Spirits to everyone differs so I just wanted to shed some light to people so they can benefit from it, that is all. We all should learn from each other and yes I did notice a lot of people here are still beginners, so it's even more challenging. I'm sorry if I came across like a teacher trying to give lessons, that wasn't my intention at all. I just love sharing my knowledge and make people aware and benefit at the same time so we can all evolve to the next level.

Please don't apologize.
Simply understand the other points of view.
Hopefully next time I post on one of your threads, it will be with some actual worthwhile information.

And to Maya, yes. I reply quickly here a lot, because I'm not active on any other forums. Outside of the few people I know and interact with, and the general sites I come across, the only human interaction I have comes through this site alone.

Haelos wrote:Please don't apologize.
Simply understand the other points of view.
Hopefully next time I post on one of your threads, it will be with some actual worthwhile information.

And to Maya, yes. I reply quickly here a lot, because I'm not active on any other forums. Outside of the few people I know and interact with, and the general sites I come across, the only human interaction I have comes through this site alone.

I'm not really apologizing in that sense, but I do take others point of view seriously. If you think that this post didn't have any worthwhile information then I'm sorry for wasting your time reading it all, hm interesting.

SpiritualMasterSlave wrote:

Haelos wrote:Please don't apologize.
Simply understand the other points of view.
Hopefully next time I post on one of your threads, it will be with some actual worthwhile information.

And to Maya, yes. I reply quickly here a lot, because I'm not active on any other forums. Outside of the few people I know and interact with, and the general sites I come across, the only human interaction I have comes through this site alone.

I'm not really apologizing in that sense, but I do take others point of view seriously. If you think that this post didn't have any worthwhile information then I'm sorry for wasting your time reading it all, hm interesting.

I said that I did not post with any useful information. And I hoped to change that.

This is terrific material SpiritualMasterSlave. Very interesting. Thank you for posting.

I must ask you SpiritualMasterSlave, as a Muslim and a magickian wherabouts in the world do you live? Do you live in the Middle East, or somewhere in Africa, as that is where most Muslims seem to be? Or do you live elsewhere? As a practicing magickian in the Middle East I imagine it is very dangerous for you as they have little tolerance for people with occult knowledge unless they be Imans. In Africa it is a little more acceptable but still, a reputation as a magickian can get you killed.

The Jinn's are largely thought of as being very evil and very dangerous. Are you in contact with them/one? How do they aid you? What is the difference between a Jinn and a demon?

As a Muslim I must ask you your views on what is happening in the Middle East today with particular reference to the group known as ISIS/ISIL/Daesh? What do you think of the various private armies that have invaded Syria? What do you think of the Jihadi's and their determination to kill and die for Allah? Will they get their 72 virgins as promised by the preachers? What do you think of the use of the death penalty? The lack of democracy? The lack of human rights? And the secterian killings between Sunni and Shia Muslims?

Well, that's a lot of questions to ask. Thank you.

Haelos wrote: You're on a site full of occultists (take that word as you will.)
There's a pretty likely chance that most of the people here believe in spirits in some fashion or another.
You don't need to keep asking us, and giving us material like we're children. While that may be useful for some members here, those who are actually interested in what you have to say show immediate disinterest due to how you present yourself.

This isn't meant to be an insult, just a blatant observation. I know a lot of other members who'd be happy to add in to your discussions if they were more appealing to read. You bring forth some good content, but as I said, it feels like you're trying to talk to someone who has never had the conception of what a spirit is in their entire lives.

This may have been addressed by others already, but not everyone who views the boards are seasoned occultists. Many who come here are not even members and find this place through Google searches and what not. Having introductory information for those looking for it does not diminish more advanced discussions we have here. We are a large umbrella and try to welcome all with few reasonable exceptions.

Stukov wrote:

Haelos wrote: You're on a site full of occultists (take that word as you will.)
There's a pretty likely chance that most of the people here believe in spirits in some fashion or another.
You don't need to keep asking us, and giving us material like we're children. While that may be useful for some members here, those who are actually interested in what you have to say show immediate disinterest due to how you present yourself.

This isn't meant to be an insult, just a blatant observation. I know a lot of other members who'd be happy to add in to your discussions if they were more appealing to read. You bring forth some good content, but as I said, it feels like you're trying to talk to someone who has never had the conception of what a spirit is in their entire lives.

This may have been addressed by others already, but not everyone who views the boards are seasoned occultists. Many who come here are not even members and find this place through Google searches and what not. Having introductory information for those looking for it does not diminish more advanced discussions we have here. We are a large umbrella and try to welcome all with few reasonable exceptions.

It could actually increase the value of this forum and the credibility any one poster may have.

I'm all for it. Personally I prefer different words to express myself, but its whats behind the words thats gold.

Horny Goat wrote:This is terrific material SpiritualMasterSlave. Very interesting. Thank you for posting.

I must ask you SpiritualMasterSlave, as a Muslim and a magickian wherabouts in the world do you live? Do you live in the Middle East, or somewhere in Africa, as that is where most Muslims seem to be? Or do you live elsewhere? As a practicing magickian in the Middle East I imagine it is very dangerous for you as they have little tolerance for people with occult knowledge unless they be Imans. In Africa it is a little more acceptable but still, a reputation as a magickian can get you killed.

The Jinn's are largely thought of as being very evil and very dangerous. Are you in contact with them/one? How do they aid you? What is the difference between a Jinn and a demon?

As a Muslim I must ask you your views on what is happening in the Middle East today with particular reference to the group known as ISIS/ISIL/Daesh? What do you think of the various private armies that have invaded Syria? What do you think of the Jihadi's and their determination to kill and die for Allah? Will they get their 72 virgins as promised by the preachers? What do you think of the use of the death penalty? The lack of democracy? The lack of human rights? And the secterian killings between Sunni and Shia Muslims?

Well, that's a lot of questions to ask. Thank you.

Hmm it's a lot of questions but I'll try and answer a few. Thanks for taking the time to read I appreciate it.

I live in the UK and yes it's very dangerous practising magic in the middle east and some parts of Africa. To be honest I don't call myself a magician because I'm not, but rather I prefer a spiritual master travelling the journey to the Divine Presence. The reason I call myself that is because being spiritual has got many branches and one of them is being a magician and there are many more so I got a lot to work with.

Jinn are indeed dangerous because they're very malicious and rebellious. They don't like to be discovered and contacted hence why God made them unseen for a reason. I only seek the believing (muslim) jinn as they're more trustworthy because they fear God so you need to have a good conduct of living spiritually. Half of the jinn on earth are muslims and the rest follow different religions.

The non-believing jinn are the demons who are much stronger than the average jinn. As I wrote in my post when the first jinn Iblis (Satan) disobeyed God, that was the first sin ever and because God cursed him till eternity he automatically became rebellious and turned into Shaytan (demon). Jinn don't live forever but demons and devils do. Believe it or not, each and every one of us at birth is accompanied with one companion of the jinn, also called a qarin, and if the qarin is evil it could whisper to people's souls and tell them to submit to evil desires. The notion of a qarin is not universally accepted among all Muslims, but it is generally accepted that Shayṭan whispers in human minds, and he is assigned to each human being.

'The Prophet Muhammad said: 'There is not one of you who does not have a jinni appointed to be his constant companion (qarin).' They said, 'And you too, O Messenger of Allah?' He said, 'Me too, but Allah has helped me and he has submitted, so that he only helps me to do good.'

According to the Quran, jinn have free will, and Iblis abused this freedom in front of Allah by refusing to bow to Adam when Allah ordered angels and jinn to do so. For disobeying Allah, Iblis was expelled from Paradise and called "Shayṭan" (Satan). Jinn are frequently mentioned in the Quran 72 (named Surat al-Jinn) is named after the jinn, and has a passage about them.

Another chapter (Surat al-Nas) mentions jinn in the last verse.[7] The Quran also mentions that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both "humanity and the jinn", and that prophets and messengers were sent to both communities.

They are usually invisible to humans, but humans do appear clearly to jinn, as they can possess them. Jinn have the power to travel large distances at extreme speeds and are thought to live in remote areas, mountains, seas, trees, and the air, in their own communities. Like humans, jinn will also be judged on the Day of Judgement and will be sent to Paradise or Hell according to their deeds.

As for what's happening in the world I believe it's only natural to happen as it's already written, it just gives me more of a reason to prepare for what's coming ahead. That's one of the reason I decided to learn occult and equip my self with knowledge and power. It's like a movie or those japanese anime, the way I see it is as follows. There are secret societies all over the world some good and some evil. The most secret society that stands out is the Illuminati and Freemasons (no they're not the same) both very evil and one of them got the whole world in its hands (sad but true). So as we all know america and isreal are the main puppet masters they control.

The reason they managed to gain that power and control the world is mainly through the Jewish black magic. The Jinn and demons are their servants without them they wouldn't be able to achieve anything. But of course the main assistant is non other than Iblis/Satan himself so you can imagine what great lenghts they took to make a pact. Even though they worship his son the Dajjaal (antichrist) that will appear in the next few decades, he will emerge from the east claiming he's God but he's one eyed and God is not. His powers are beyond description and the only person that will defeat him is Jesus, when he descends from the heavens in the end times.

We live in the end times but believe it or not, the very start of next century is the beginning of the end (judgement day). I believe everything will kick off from 2067/2070 and the Day of Judgement will be probably either 2120/2140/2145. I know it sounds ridiculous but the promise of God is true and very near.

Let me explain more:

How old is the Universe?

"the angels and the spirit ascend unto Him in a day, the measure of which was fifty thousand years." (Quran 70:4)

This verse refers to the ascent of angels and the spirit (meant to be Gabriel) back to heaven after settling all matters of life in the universe. The verse clearly said a day that "was" and not a day that 'is', which clearly indicates that that day was in the past (50,000 years ago).

"…a day relative to your God is equivalent to a thousand years of your count." (Quran 22:47)

With a few simple equations:

If 1 day (for God) = 1000 years (for man)
1 year (for God) = 1000 x 365 (for man) = 365,000 years
50,000 years (for God) = 365,000 x 50,000 (for man) = 18.25 billion years

The 50,000 years mentioned is God's years and not men's. This is because man was not mentioned at all in that verse, and more importantly because the subject of the verse (creation of the universe) is obviously a matter executed by God and not by man and, so, its description must also be as related to God and not to man. This becomes evident when we compare this verse to other verses that clearly speak of years as related to man's count, like the verse:
"…on a day, the measure of which was a thousand years of your count." (Quran 32:5)

How old is the Earth?

Muslims believe that 6 days passed at God's Throne but we experienced 18.25 billion years (according to Quran) on Earth: Muslims believe that God is not bound to His Throne; rather He created it and set it as a reference. "We [Allah] created the heavens and the Earth and all what's between them in six days, and We were not touched by fatigue." (Quran 50.38)

"Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds." (Quran 41.9)

When God says that He created the Heavens, the Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN in six days this means that He is referring to the period of existence. Earth has been in existence for 2 days (out of 6). In God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens and Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). The age of the universe is 18.25 billion years and the Earth is 1/3 of that. So, the Earth is 6.1 billion years according to numerical values in Quran.

But to our modern sciences (which is still in progress), the universe is 13.7 billion years. So, the Earth is 1/3 of that ... then the age of the Earth according to modern science is only 4.5672 billion years. But still, I believe and choose Quran's version. And God knows best.

Thank you for responding SiritualMasterSlave, your information is all good.

I asked you the questions that I did as I am fearful of what is coming to the world. One of the most famous quotes is that 'history repeats itself.' Well the history of the human race is war followed by war followed by war followed by more war. But it is also genocide too. There have been many wars, but there have also been many genocides.

No-one alive today can be so foolish as to think that there can be no more wars. But likewise, no-one should be so naive as to think that there will be no more genocides. Both war and genocide are inevitable.

I wonder where this genocide will occur. Within Europe or the Middle East? I believe this is where we're heading. It's where we're all being led.

Stukov wrote:

Haelos wrote: You're on a site full of occultists (take that word as you will.)
There's a pretty likely chance that most of the people here believe in spirits in some fashion or another.
You don't need to keep asking us, and giving us material like we're children. While that may be useful for some members here, those who are actually interested in what you have to say show immediate disinterest due to how you present yourself.

This isn't meant to be an insult, just a blatant observation. I know a lot of other members who'd be happy to add in to your discussions if they were more appealing to read. You bring forth some good content, but as I said, it feels like you're trying to talk to someone who has never had the conception of what a spirit is in their entire lives.

This may have been addressed by others already, but not everyone who views the boards are seasoned occultists. Many who come here are not even members and find this place through Google searches and what not. Having introductory information for those looking for it does not diminish more advanced discussions we have here. We are a large umbrella and try to welcome all with few reasonable exceptions.

Thank you, couldn't say it better myself.

This may have been addressed by others already, but not everyone who views the boards are seasoned occultists. Many who come here are not even members and find this place through Google searches and what not. Having introductory information for those looking for it does not diminish more advanced discussions we have here. We are a large umbrella and try to welcome all with few reasonable exceptions.

Seconded. [grin]

Please do continue, SpiritualMasterSlave, I also appreciate your posts and think they will be helpful to many members and lurkers. [thumbup]

SpiritualMasterSlave wrote: According to the Quran, jinn have free will, and Iblis abused this freedom in front of Allah by refusing to bow to Adam when Allah ordered angels and jinn to do so. For disobeying Allah, Iblis was expelled from Paradise and called "Shayṭan" (Satan). Jinn are frequently mentioned in the Quran 72 (named Surat al-Jinn) is named after the jinn, and has a passage about them.

Do you interpret this story literally? I know a literal interpretation of the Genesis story is still quite popular with Christians in certain countries, but I'm not sure the extent to which Muslims believe it to be historically factual.

There are secret societies all over the world some good and some evil. The most secret society that stands out is the Illuminati and Freemasons (no they're not the same) both very evil and one of them got the whole world in its hands (sad but true). So as we all know america and isreal are the main puppet masters they control.

I must protest at this. As far as I can tell there is no evidence the Illuminati has even existed for the last two centuries. There have been members on this forum, and in all likelihood there are members currently who are Freemasons, and calling them "very evil" is a pretty extraordinary statement that should have some evidence behind it; not to mention the claim that they have the whole world in their hands, which is even more extraordinary.

Why do you think secret societies rule the United States and Israel?

The reason they managed to gain that power and control the world is mainly through the Jewish black magic.

What Jewish black magic?

The Jinn and demons are their servants without them they wouldn't be able to achieve anything. But of course the main assistant is non other than Iblis/Satan himself so you can imagine what great lenghts they took to make a pact. Even though they worship his son the Dajjaal (antichrist) that will appear in the next few decades...

Says who? Where did you get this information?

We live in the end times but believe it or not, the very start of next century is the beginning of the end (judgement day). I believe everything will kick off from 2067/2070 and the Day of Judgement will be probably either 2120/2140/2145. I know it sounds ridiculous but the promise of God is true and very near.

To be honest, it does sound ridiculous, simply because the end of the world has been prophesied by every man and his dog since the dawn of time, and every single prediction ever made has been wrong (obviously).

Let me explain more:

How old is the Universe?
"…a day relative to your God is equivalent to a thousand years of your count." (Quran 22:47)

With a few simple equations...

I want to point out that all of the Holy texts were written by men, and not by God. God doesn't write anything. Why we should want to interpret pretty vague scriptures like "…a day relative to your God is equivalent to a thousand years of your count" as literal truth is quite beyond me. I mean, to my reading, the author was simply saying "Divinity doesn't have the same perception of time that humans do." I don't understand why people have to get so hung up on all this stuff.

What Jewish black magic?

Working with the Qlippoth and the "Left Hand Path"
Technically, it's not 'black magic' as the purpose of working with them is to strengthen the soul towards YHVH and bring light into the darkness.

But, whether or not these broken shells can be reformed is the question. It is most common for the Qlippoth to drive men insane.

Jews don't need black magic to control the world. They have been pretty influential in world affairs for a long time. As for saying Qlippothic magic drives people insane, it is true but only if you are not careful and do it as a dabbler. Not everyone agrees with the Qabbalistic viewpoint that the qlippoths are broken shells. They are just another part of the Tree of Life one goes through to achieve powers and to complete their spiritual quest. Besides the Qabbalistic tradition there are many spiritual paths around the world whose followers do Qlippothic magic. The Draconian tradition is one of them. So even if the Jews perform any black magic to control the world I don't think it is related. These are just my two cents.

Napoli wrote:Not everyone agrees with the Qabbalistic viewpoint that the qlippoths are broken shells. They are just another part of the Tree of Life one goes through to achieve powers and to complete their spiritual quest.

I don't doubt it. The books I've read, however, are partial to the 'broken shells' theory.

I'd be very interested if you could provide some sources on alternative theories of formation and purpose of the qlippoths , for my own benefit

corvidus wrote:

Napoli wrote:Not everyone agrees with the Qabbalistic viewpoint that the qlippoths are broken shells. They are just another part of the Tree of Life one goes through to achieve powers and to complete their spiritual quest.

I don't doubt it. The books I've read, however, are partial to the 'broken shells' theory.

I'd be very interested if you could provide some sources on alternative theories of formation and purpose of the qlippoths , for my own benefit

You can try reading 'The Book of Sitra Achra', or maybe you have since it is a very well-known book. Even though it is based on the Qabbalah nowhere it mentions any such thing. The qlippothic part of the tree of life came into existence because of the dual nature of this universe. It began forming when it's sephirothic counterpart started to form. Satan is actually the opposite of YHVH- his dark version to put it crudely. As for reforming the broken shells of the qlippothic realms it is just one of the many theories out there. Some say that the qlippoths are the shells of the corresponding sephiroths or they are located behind the latter. Not all consider them an abomination of God's creation. I remember someone saying it is the root of the tree of life that nourishes it. Examples of Qlippothic magic include getting rid of indecision by using the Thaumiel. You can also meditate on something in Gamaliel and it will manifest the opposite in Yesod. So if you imagine yourself as a broke in Gamaliel, you are likely to become more prosperous in real life. But such magic are not without its dangers. In Demonolatry the qlippoths are considered merely as another hierarchy, not something to be considered as 'sitra achra'.

Interesting. You know its going to be interesting to see what happens to this world when the 'air elementals' get given the green light to shut down electrical grids across the world. That Shaytan class of jinn are itching to wreak havoc on this world.

However, what if the jinn and humans lived side by side before the Annunaki landed on this planet 350,000 years ago and turned some humans into slaves.

This would make Allah (Enlil / Yahweh) who played with human DNA and turned mankind into slaves. Then Allah orders all of the jinn to obey their new super neanderthal species. Well of course Iblis would go ballistic. He actually did a good deed by taking the Apple of Knowledge to Eve and allowing the human slaves to wake up to the fact that the evil Annunaki has taken their freedom and turned them all into slaves.

Morpheus is like Iblis in the film 'The Matrix' showing Neo (Adam) that he is nothing more than a slave. The Archons live off fear which is why the Annunaki keep using their slave humans (elite) to create endless religious wars. Archons feed off low vibration misery.

Imagine a cat living with mice. Both get on together very well. Then a mad scientist arrives and gives a few (white) mice improved DNA. Then the scientist orders the cat to obey his mouse's orders. Well, i wonder what the cat is going to think. "F U mad scientist" will probably be in his meow. The jinn naturally rebelled.

So the Annunaki mutate humans and then order the jinn to be their slaves. Amazing how the evil Annunaki write books (Bible, Quran) that makes them God / Angels and the jinn are bad and evil. Naturally the world population of slaves rebelled and this is why the coward Enlil uses scalar weaponry to create the Great Flood. All he could find was one pitiful slave family (Noah) who were happy to be slaves.

You know, its going to be so much fun watching Yahweh (a.k.a Allah) (Enlil) with his brother Lucifer (Enki) falling into the Lake of Fire on Judgement Day for their crimes against humanity. The God Presence beyond this universe is the ultimate Judge.

Wait, I thought Enki was Satan, Lucifer or Iblis who gave the forbidden knowledge to humankind in order to free them. So why will he be punished?

I thought the djinns were fire elementals.

Napoli wrote:Wait, I thought Enki was Satan, Lucifer or Iblis who gave the forbidden knowledge to humankind in order to free them. So why will he be punished?

I thought the djinns were fire elementals.

That is what the Annunaki want you to think. Satan, as mentioned by SpiritualMasterSlave, is just another word for the entire Shaytan class of jinn.

Remember, the Vatican stopped people reading the true words written until they had re-written the Bible to paint Iblis as Mr Bad guy and Yahweh (Enlil) as the Good guy. Note Enlil will be judged because he literally has a ocean of blood on his hands for drowning every anti-slavery person during the Great Flood.

You are correct in terms of the jinn being all types of elementals.

The Bible re-written by the Vatican wants you to think that Iblis is the bad guy and will end up in hell. So on Judgement Day, the aliens (Annunaki, Archons and Draconians) who completely screwed up Day 6 with world slavery will be judged. Iblis will be thanked by the God Presence for at least trying to show the new human race (Adam and Eve) that they were slaves.