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For first, hi i am new here. And sorry for my bad americano, englanido isn't my main language.

I just started practising and i am going with course "moderna magick: 12 lessons in the hight magickal arts" ( i hope its well known book).

Only problem is.... quabbala symbolism is NOT for me. I know kabbalah is for everyone (also for pogans) but i am not christian/muslim/jew and images of angels or names of "god" rly dont help me. I thought... mby can someone help me make a egyptian version of lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram and mby in future other rytuals.
I was looking in the internet but I found only olympic lbrp. And no, i am not intrested in star ruby/gnostic rytual of the pentagram/ greater banishing ritual of the pentagram (i know it includes egyptian symbolism).

My the biggest problem is how to change/swap tau cross (into ankh cross???).

Oryginal:

tau cross

1. Ateh - into -
2. malkuth - into -
3. ve'geburach - into -
4. ve'gevurach - into -
5. leoam - into -
6. amen - into - (mby this shouldnt be changed?)

Dont comment, i know u cant know other versions.

Pentagrams

Should i change pentagrams into smth other? Pentagrams are very common symbloism so i think they should be like they are but what about names?
i thought about
1. ehjeh - into - horus
2. adonai - into - bastet
3. JHVH - into -ra
4. agla - into - no idea

and last part, ewokaction or archangels
1. michael - into - ra (but again ra?)
2. raphael - into bastet
3. gabriel - into - amon-ra (isnt this sme god as a normal ra)
4. uriel - into -kherpi 9in theory its just a ra.....)


I really need help, plzzz. I am rly bad in QBL

Ateh - You
malkuth - kingdom
vigboorah - and the power
vih-gboolah - an he glory
liholahm forever
amen - truthfully

"For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen."

So I would start with finding an egyptian translatian for matthew 6:13 and just swap the words.

BoldRune wrote:
Pentagrams

Should i change pentagrams into smth other? Pentagrams are very common symbloism so i think they should be like they are but what about names?
i thought about
1. ehjeh - into - horus
2. adonai - into - bastet
3. JHVH - into -ra
4. agla - into - no idea

Why not triangles??? Pyramids seems egyptian.

East - Khepri - sunrise
South - Ra - sun, strength, male
West - Amentet - sunset
North - Nut - night, moon, female

Khepri
God of rebirth, the sunrise and scarab. Ra's aspect in the morning
RA
God of the Sun and Radiance
Amentet
Her name, meaning "the female hidden one", was simply the feminine form of Amun's own name.
Nut
Goddess of the Sky, Stars, the Sun, the Moon, Light, Heaven, Astronomy, the Universe, Air, and the Winds

michael - warrior ,protector
raphael - doctor
gabriel - writer, messenger
uriel - the lighth


Michael = Horus, god of the king, the sky, war and protection
Raphael = Sekhmet, goddess of healing and medicine of Upper Egypt
Gabriel = Thoth, God of Knowledge
Uriel = Shu (Su) was the god of light and air and as such personified the wind and the earth´s atmosphere.

1. Good idea, thx, but.... atually in egitp they speaks arabic and i quess there is no way to find good translation in heroglyps

I have found some sites, but there are not very helpfull
http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/translit ... ionary.pdf
http://www.lisaanmasry.com/online/dictionary.html
http://karathutmose.tripod.com/dictiona ... ry3.html#K

2. Are u sure? with some i can be wrong but for expale lets take a look on west - hebrew god's name - ehjeh (AHYH) on tree of life where its a Kether this does represents a love, harmony, bliss etc and also in pogan religions represents a son who replaced his father (so this should be a horus hmmmm).
Can u mby explain why u make this way 9and other names ofc) and no otherways?

3. Seems good, much thanks.

BoldRune wrote:1. Good idea, thx, but.... atually in egitp they speaks arabic and i quess there is no way to find good translation in heroglyps

I have found some sites, but there are not very helpfull
http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/translit ... ionary.pdf
http://www.lisaanmasry.com/online/dictionary.html
http://karathutmose.tripod.com/dictiona ... ry3.html#K

2. Are u sure? with some i can be wrong but for expale lets take a look on west - hebrew god's name - ehjeh (AHYH) on tree of life where its a Kether this does represents a love, harmony, bliss etc and also in pogan religions represents a son who replaced his father (so this should be a horus hmmmm).
Can u mby explain why u make this way 9and other names ofc) and no otherways?

3. Seems good, much thanks.

I'm not 100% happy with my choices either. So change everything you want until it feels right to you.

The first part is really just a prayer to god, so you can exchange it with a prayer to RA or whomever you think is the highest god.

I really don't see the point in this. The Golden Dawn has its own unique system of cosmology, upon which the LBRP (and all the other rituals) are built. Egyptian Cosmology is very different, and the Egyptian tradition has plenty of its own spiritual and magical exercises to practice. So what's the purpose of this conversion? It seems like you would be better suited to either learning the GD system more fully, or tossing the LBRP aside entirely to pursue other practices.



~:Shin:~

Shinichi wrote:I really don't see the point in this. The Golden Dawn has its own unique system of cosmology, upon which the LBRP (and all the other rituals) are built. Egyptian Cosmology is very different, and the Egyptian tradition has plenty of its own spiritual and magical exercises to practice. So what's the purpose of this conversion? It seems like you would be better suited to either learning the GD system more fully, or tossing the LBRP aside entirely to pursue other practices.



~:Shin:~

It is a starting point. Many odify their own version of the LPRB just to have somewhere to start doing something more then just reading about the occult.

Yeah, but that's like modifying a martial arts form or technique without learning it first. There's no knowledgeable or skillful basis for the change.

The original LBRP was constructed a very specific way using very specific things in order to cause very specific effects. Modifying it without understanding any of that not only lessens its potency, but also destroys its purpose, since you are modifying it without understanding its purpose in the first place. Translating it like this into something Egyptian completely destroys the ritual, because it is not an Egyptian ritual and a hell of a lot is going to get lost in translation.

It's better to just do the LBRP, or just learn Egyptian stuff, or at the very least learn both properly before combining them haphazardly.



~:Shin:~

Shinichi wrote:Yeah, but that's like modifying a martial arts form or technique without learning it first. There's no knowledgeable or skillful basis for the change.

The original LBRP was constructed a very specific way using very specific things in order to cause very specific effects. Modifying it without understanding any of that not only lessens its potency, but also destroys its purpose, since you are modifying it without understanding its purpose in the first place. Translating it like this into something Egyptian completely destroys the ritual, because it is not an Egyptian ritual and a hell of a lot is going to get lost in translation.

It's better to just do the LBRP, or just learn Egyptian stuff, or at the very least learn both properly before combining them haphazardly.



~:Shin:~

Desecrated was faster but i just would say... i dont think there is something that can replace a LBRP. Or mby u have any propositions?

You don't need a replacement for the LBRP. It's a Golden Dawn ritual, so you only need to practice it if you are initiating into the GD or one of the GD's child Orders, like Crowley's stuff. I've done a lot of magical work and I've done the LBRP only a few times. Ever. If you want to do the LBRP, then do it right. If you don't, then leave it be.

For the Egyptian stuff, I would suggest you begin studying Kemetic material. It's based on real Egyptian tradition and cosmology, and you can learn several spiritual rituals and magical methods there, like Heka.



~:Shin:~

Shinichi wrote:Yeah, but that's like modifying a martial arts form or technique without learning it first. There's no knowledgeable or skillful basis for the change.

The original LBRP was constructed a very specific way using very specific things in order to cause very specific effects. Modifying it without understanding any of that not only lessens its potency, but also destroys its purpose, since you are modifying it without understanding its purpose in the first place. Translating it like this into something Egyptian completely destroys the ritual, because it is not an Egyptian ritual and a hell of a lot is going to get lost in translation.

It's better to just do the LBRP, or just learn Egyptian stuff, or at the very least learn both properly before combining them haphazardly.



~:Shin:~

I do understand what you are saying, it makes sense.
BUT, then again, you can modify a kata by adding or removing techinques just to build some basic strength.

You can use the LBRP as a baseline for a magic ritual, you have a prayer, wae your hands around say some weird words, dance around ina circle vibrating angel names and done. Short, simple and gives you a general idea of a ritual.

Now, I'm usually the conservative so I don't know how I ended up on this side of the argument, But basically. If you want to add some legkicks to your basic kata, go ahead. As long as it's just for practice, who gives a fuck?

I also think it is a good idea to translate a ritual to a languge/system just to break it down and understand every detail. Otherwise the actuall ritual might very well end up bering just waving your hands around and vibrating words.

Shinichi wrote:You don't need a replacement for the LBRP. It's a Golden Dawn ritual, so you only need to practice it if you are initiating into the GD or one of the GD's child Orders, like Crowley's stuff. I've done a lot of magical work and I've done the LBRP only a few times. Ever. If you want to do the LBRP, then do it right. If you don't, then leave it be.

For the Egyptian stuff, I would suggest you begin studying Kemetic material. It's based on real Egyptian tradition and cosmology, and you can learn several spiritual rituals and magical methods there, like Heka.



~:Shin:~

As i see in egyptian magic there is nothing what can replace any banisking ritual. I quess its not too safe to make any magick work without banishing after nad before...

Desecrated wrote:As long as it's just for practice, who gives a fuck?

Nobody, as long as you're practicing correctly. Remember, in martial arts, if you aren't doing a movement correctly then you will either hurt yourself just by repeating bad form (same with weight lifting, etc) or you will hurt yourself when you actually connect the strike to something (broken fingers/toes, etc). So it's fine to change things, as long as you know what you're doing. [wink2]

BoldRune wrote: As i see in egyptian magic there is nothing what can replace any banisking ritual. I quess its not too safe to make any magick work without banishing after nad before...

Needing to banish before and after is a myth of "modern magick," and has little to do with the potency of the ritual or exercise itself. That's like cleaning up before and after exercise and thinking that the five minutes of cleaning are more important than the hour long workout. Sure, it can help. But it's not the most important part. To begin with, the LBRP is not an atmospheric banishing practice, but an internal refinement practice. The external banishing effects are entirely secondary to the rituals primary purpose.

And as for Egyptian stuff not having anything to replace a banishing practice, that's incorrect too. It's just done a different way. Heka is Word Magick, so what's wrong with just walking into a room, stretching your awareness over the room and simply commanding bad energy to go away? I've been trained in the Japanese practice Kiai Jutsu, so I can banish most things from a room just with a sharp exhale and the emission of energy that accompanies it. You could also write a talisman (another aspect of Heka / Word Magick), and charge it like a sigil so that the talisman banishes everything.

There are many, many, many ways to banish. Or do anything else magically. Don't get caught up in the trends of the current period and think that's the only way to do something.



~:Shin:~