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Original post: Achreus

I'm a subscriber to artofmanliness.com and there have been some articles and polls in response to "Is it manly?" questions. Questions ranged from stay-at-home dads to cooking. Now here's my question:

Is magick manly?

Original post: QuietJoy

It's not unmanly. It's not womanly, either. But it's not unwomanly.

It should be neutral act, really.

Religious congregation isn't considered as either as well, to my knowledge.

Original post: Vindictus

Er... If you dont consider bending the forces of the universe to your will manly, then hell if I know what is.

Original post: Venefica

The Vikings considered magick to be so unmanly that no man could use it without shame. Male magick users where often shunned and some wore woman's clothing to emphasis their unmanliness. Magick, and especially Seid, where considered a woman's art.

But then what is manliness? Some of the rationale of the Vikings was that a real man met the enemy fair ans square on the battle field, he did not try to undo him with a ritual while he was safe and warm back home or try to see the future to give him and unfair advantage. But by that thinking would not a man with a bow and arrow shooting somone down or in more modern times, somone with a gun against some that do not have one also be doing something unmanly.

I often frequent Gorean lifestyle forums and there the question often come up, what exactly is being manly. Very often the conclusion is not in the things one do like cooking, knitting or magick. A man that cooks are not unmanly, a man that make things out of yarn and fabric is not unmanly. To be manly or not is a question of attitude. A man should be strong, confident, honorable and act with integrity, and care enough about the things inportant to him to be willing to die for them. Being a man is a state of mind, and if a person in a man in mind, then all he do from cooking to magick become manly, if he is not a man in min, everything he do from fighting to fixing cars to any traditionally male activity become unmanly.

Just to round off my post. Here is a fitting quote from Diablo 2. About the female mage mercenary leader in town.

Oh, Asheara's a good customer. She buys a potion of manliness from me every week.

Original post: Marquise De Sade

It's manly if your mysterious about it, and keep people wondering.

Like James Bond.

Original post: Venefica

James Bond is not manly.

Original post: Vindictus

James bond is a freaking fop. AND insecure in his sexuality [Why else does he need to screw every chick he meets?]

Original post: Kaster

Because death is James Bond's only friend. He only solace is in the mission.

And if he should survive for the next one only then will he stop running.

Original post: Venefica

No somone that is nearly cut to pieces by a propeller, eaten by crocodiles, shot at and dropped out of an airplane and not a hair on his head lie wrong and he even take the time to check that the hair is ok before continuing to run away from those that try to kill him is not manly.

Original post: shadow flame

[QUOTE=Venefica;374192]The Vikings considered magick to be so unmanly that no man could use it without shame. Male magick users where often shunned and some wore woman's clothing to emphasis their unmanliness. Magick, and especially Seid, where considered a woman's art.

But then what is manliness? Some of the rationale of the Vikings was that a real man met the enemy fair ans square on the battle field, he did not try to undo him with a ritual while he was safe and warm back home or try to see the future to give him and unfair advantage. But by that thinking would not a man with a bow and arrow shooting somone down or in more modern times, somone with a gun against some that do not have one also be doing something unmanly.

I often frequent Gorean lifestyle forums and there the question often come up, what exactly is being manly. Very often the conclusion is not in the things one do like cooking, knitting or magick. A man that cooks are not unmanly, a man that make things out of yarn and fabric is not unmanly. To be manly or not is a question of attitude. A man should be strong, confident, honorable and act with integrity, and care enough about the things inportant to him to be willing to die for them. Being a man is a state of mind, and if a person in a man in mind, then all he do from cooking to magick become manly, if he is not a man in min, everything he do from fighting to fixing cars to any traditionally male activity become unmanly.

Just to round off my post. Here is a fitting quote from Diablo 2. About the female mage mercenary leader in town.[/QUOTE]
pretty much what i wanted to say.
but remember- odin used magick. is there anybody who would call him unmanly(except loki)?

Original post: Venefica

pretty much what i wanted to say.
but remember- odin used magick. is there anybody who would call him unmanly(except loki)?

No but many called his use of magick unmanly. And I think the magick is unmanly quote is attributed to him so he sort of called his own practice unmanly if that is true.

Original post: Winnipeg1919

The question has no relevance. It is unmanly to spend any time worrying about what is manly or unmanly.

It is simply foolish to devote time to such questions when there are much more important issues in the world. A true man or woman acts in a manner that is true to their beliefs and does not worry about what others may say about it. They do this even at cost to themselves (think Socrates).

Notice that this does not exclude heterosexuals or homosexuals.

Original post: Venefica

Well sometimes such questions is just entertainment, is it unmanly to be entertained?

Original post: Vindictus

[QUOTE=shadow flame;374233]pretty much what i wanted to say.
but remember- odin used magick. is there anybody who would call him unmanly(except loki)?[/QUOTE]

You have obviously never heard of the time Odin went around in drag... That was Odin, right?

Original post: Ceriel Nosforit

Discussing manliness is unmanly.

Original post: shadow flame

[QUOTE=Vindictus;374261]You have obviously never heard of the time Odin went around in drag... That was Odin, right?[/QUOTE]
dunno, thor went around in drag. and loki could change himself in any shape. like when he got pregnant in female horse form. ah those were good days....

Original post: Winnipeg1919

Venefica;374256 wrote:Well sometimes such questions is just entertainment, is it unmanly to be entertained?

You seem to be the one with a problem regarding straight answer to a straight question.

No - it is not unmanly to be entertained, but it is foolish to make unfounded accusations. Judging from your past behaviour, you rather make a habit of such things.

Original post: Venefica

You have obviously never heard of the time Odin went around in drag... That was Odin, right?

No that was Thor. Thor's hammer was kidnapped and the kidnappers demeaned to get to marry Freya to release it. Freya said no so Thor dressed up like Freya to get his hammer back.

Discussing manliness is unmanly.

You seem to be the one with a problem regarding straight answer to a straight question.

No - it is not unmanly to be entertained, but it is foolish to make unfounded accusations. Judging from you past behaviour, you rather make a habit of such things.

What the hell is wrong with you, did you wake up with the wrong foot to day? Have I ever done anything to offend you since you do not seam to be able to take a joke? Have I accused anyone of anything in this tread?

Original post: Vindictus

well, you did accuse THE FOP of being unmanly... Judging from the reactions, I'd say that wasn't taken very well by james blonde fan[atic]s.

Original post: Achreus

Here's what I think. Magick is a lot of things and one of those things is manliness. It requires the virtues of discipline, volition, perseverance and courage to make it work. If that's not manly, I don't know what is.

To put it simply: yeah, magick is manly enough.

Original post: Venefica

well, you did accuse THE FOP of being unmanly... Judging from the reactions, I'd say that wasn't taken very well by james blonde fan[atic]s.

That might be it. Obiously one should not mess with James Bond.

Here's what I think. Magick is a lot of things and one of those things is manliness. It requires the virtues of discipline, volition, perseverance and courage to make it work. If that's not manly, I don't know what is.

I could not agree more.

Original post: Kaster

Magic contains both male and female aspects.

Saying its manly is like calling water fishy.

Original post: Venefica

Magick being manly do not mean it is not femenine to.

Original post: Marquise De Sade

Venefica you said:

James Bond is not manly.

Then you said:

To be manly or not is a question of attitude. A man should be strong, confident, honorable and act with integrity, and care enough about the things inportant to him to be willing to die for them.

Hmmm... Sounds like James Bond to me. Even better... Sounds like you contradicted yourself cause you have something against the character. If you hated the movies then you'll really hate the books.

No somone that is nearly cut to pieces by a propeller, eaten by crocodiles, shot at and dropped out of an airplane and not a hair on his head lie wrong and he even take the time to check that the hair is ok before continuing to run away from those that try to kill him is not manly.

Your right thats called guts, and... MANLY. Oh, and watch the Bond movies closer - the hair thing is just something you made up.

James bond is a freaking fop. AND insecure in his sexuality [Why else does he need to screw every chick he meets?]

What the hell's a fop? So you don't like to get laid? Ok. Well if getting laid by beautiful, intelligent, classy women makes someone insecure about their sexuality then damn I must be a real homophobe since I've had great sexual experiences with beautiful women.

Oh well. Call me a fanboy :mad:

Original post: IAO131

93,

People who criticize James Bond are unmanly.

IAO131