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Centralized power is best left to the gods, they already have it over this existence. People not having centralized power ensures no contradiction and allows them to be ruled by these less/non-fallible beings. Also prepares them to be ruled should the beings called "the gods" start intera...

Are you kidding? The western world's government is already fascist, especially now since the TPP has officially passed. It's been proven the U.S president is not truly chosen by the people. What we need is Libertarian-Socialism(Neither government nor corporate dominion) with expansion of group owne...

Your only problem with Hitler is his ego? I'm saying his form of government was genius but he was a psycho inside and out. Him and his generals got desperate half way through the war after losing the Moscow invasion, so they decided they'd permanently eliminate any potential communist supporters, w...

"The order of nine angles" stand for Neo-Nazism and Social-Darwinism which I am strongly against and want destroyed. Any others associated to tampering with the casual world that are the opposite, what would be considered the "extreme opposite" of social-darwinism/Neo-Nazism or ...

It's strange, you don't really evoke the other gods / the acausal / chaos, it's more like you're brought before them, like they don't manifest in this world. The clearest experience was with an entity technically not Lovecraftian, the King in Yellow. Something I would highly recommend avoiding to t...

To me, the Lovecraftian gods are the darkness before the light, the primal blackness from which all things came acausally. Most mystics go internally for the light within us, but the dark is deeper than that. I wouldn't say it's predatory, but it's a very empathetic and humbling realm. All the pala...

Hadit wrote: I dig the Egyptian and Lovecraftian archetypes. There really is only one Being though, and one Non-Being, however you attempt to understand that.

Just curious, what kind of things have you accomplished with the lovecraftian entities? They tend to be kinda predatory, don't they?

Hadit wrote: I suppose they probably haven't, actually. You make a sad point. But why go reaching for a bunch of spherical matter clumps flying predictably through the sky? That's not where magic is.

True. lol What kind of beings do you work with then?

the_spiral wrote:I don't think ONA is too focused on Hermetic high magick right now, to say the least.

I meant the 'serious orders' he mentioned.

Now I understand where your anger is coming from. Have you read the bible for yourself? Much of it. I had attended classes throughout 8th grade and into my sophomore year in high school. We had a family-friend pastor who visited on a regular basis to go over the lessons. To put it this way, the ear...

The Order of Nine Angles does a lot of planetary magic, but the presence has deteriorated to a bunch of want to be criminals who, as the ONA texts often laugh at, couldn't see past their Exoteric shell. Besides, I'm sure you can have a speciality in any order, as most have sub orders. I think most ...

Yeah, seriously. And I'm not a dude. You really don't think youre the first person to come out of Christianity pissed off about being lied to. Different denominations bitch about different things. They were Seventh Day Adventists. Evangelicals that teach prophecies from the New Living International...

RoseRed wrote:What lies were you told?

Seriously dude?! lol

There has been a lot of this question going around lately and just about as many answers for it as there are people. There are people here from many traditions and different geographic locations. In general, more information is helpful when asking a question like this as different orders have diffe...

You broadened your horizons. Congratulations. Now, start thinking about how reason works and how you can better learn not just how every tradition is different, but also how every tradition is similar . There is a book by Sri Yukteswar Giri called The Holy Science. I recommend it. ~:Shin:~ Thanks. ...

Not to mention the old Protestant hoodoos and Dutch Hex/Pow Wow practitioners who use the Bible, particularly the Psalms, to work serious sorcery. And try telling those folks they aren't "real" Christians. My mother and grandmother were two of the most respectable little church ladies you...

Are you a Christian? If so, why are you so obsessed with Goetia? And if not, why are you taking a translation of a translation of a loose collection of texts written by different people at different points in history so literally? Let alone appealing to it as an authority to support your specious a...

Dude, Christians wrote the Goetia. The whole Lemegeton is called "The Lesser Key of Solomon ," crediting the whole paradigm of "Grimoire Tradition" style Evocation to Traditional Abrahamic Magick (and yes, that does exist). You really need to study some occult history instead of...

You do realize there are Christians who also work with Goetics, right? And if you've developed your Sight you'll notice a lot of them have built up some hefty energetic shields with their faith. There are workarounds, but it's not necessarily as easy as throwing a curse and walking away. Assuming R...

As much as Christians love to think they are protected from magic by their dead jew, they aren't. In fact, they are very vulnerable to it. They can't even control their own minds, let alone wage spiritual warfare. Drop a violent curse on all of them and contact your lawyer. lol You may need a very p...

Hi, I have been burying my head in research on Planetary Magick and the Qabalah for a while now, and have been performing numerous meditations rituals. I would like to start seeking the support and connections that an order of some kind might be able to offer. I have been looking into lists of the o...

If many magicians utilized the traditional methods of evocation for so long (I would imagine also those of the Golden Dawn and OTO), why don't they also believe in the any of the Abrahamic religions. I imagine that at least some would. So If some do, then by their belief in that god, they are admitt...

Would anyone happen to have any experiences they could share having to do with Orobas? I know he is a goetic spirit, so I know he is very powerful. From several accounts I have seen though, he seems to be one of the calmer, kinder ones of the bunch. But I am not sure how to think of that so I was wo...

Vovi wrote:You want me to tell you how to run before you can walk. I can't do that and you are ignoring the warnings of Shinichi and myself. I have no concern for the left hand path that you wish to walk and will speak no more of it.

By your avatar, are you golden dawn by any chance?

I find it definitely helps to invoke their planetary correspondence, yes. Sorry, I'm on and off here at the moment - I'm a bit overwhelmed with looking for work and running my own business. There are several very useful sites online that cover demonic correspondence - although the Joy of Satan are ...