Original post: jpenthol
First of all, coming to this forum again was something that I've done only ambivalently; I feel it was wise to break off all ties and views of reality that had to do with anything involving occultism, and felt that it was possible that:
1) I was doing extremely pernicious things due to fear, lust, and other things.
or 2) I was an instrument for people or powers which have agendas I will not mention, and was deluded into believing I had power which I did not.
That said, I obtained what I consider an understanding of things which are extremely dangerous and perhaps not meant for someone who is in my position in the world.
I will not mention these specifically; they are in my view things that truly are occult and should not be mentioned publicly, and I have never seen mentioned publicly, with good reason. I desperately need to confer with someone who can discuss things; as such I will hint.
- A certain approach to death, time, and evolution, and great detriment to those like one's old self, and which should by all means remain occult.
- Modern psychology and it's relation to the metaphysical beliefs of religions
- What the Christian, Islamic, and Jewish devils actually are, and their relationships to the priesthoods of all three religions.
- A certain phenomenon which may manifest when interacting with certain types of mentally ill individuals, with possible extreme cruelty being a necessary outcome of interacting with them.
- The role of language in the occult, with possibly extremely bad repercussions.
- Being too smart, and yet stupid (TO SAY THE LEAST)
PM me if you understand what I'm talking about; this is very, very serious. No dilletantes please. I can not emphasize this enough. Depending on your perspective on what I am, the I that you see could be in a very bad way, but not the me that is speaking? Who knows...that's the problem.
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Original post: Rend Sever
How cereal is it? Super cereal?
How cereal is it? Super cereal?
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Original post: Raziel.AE
lawl I was under the impression someone would make a thread like this... Heck, I was almost doing a similar one, though I don't know if I would speak of the same things...
Good luck with your secret keeping thingie =P
lawl I was under the impression someone would make a thread like this... Heck, I was almost doing a similar one, though I don't know if I would speak of the same things...
Good luck with your secret keeping thingie =P
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You know all those people who speak in such a way that everything they say has multiple meanings, many opposite of each possible meaning? That's like, totally wicked man.
You know all those people who speak in such a way that everything they say has multiple meanings, many opposite of each possible meaning? That's like, totally wicked man.
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Original post: thisisnecessary
why not just come out with it man? I'm all curious now.
why not just come out with it man? I'm all curious now.
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Original post: Venefica
I have sent you a PM. I do not say I believe your claim, but I am willing to listen. But you should know one thing. I am an honorable person. If I say I will not speak about something, I will not. however you do not know that. All you have is the word of some stranger on an online forum. A nick that sign her PM's Anja. It will be the same with everyone you talk with here. If there is anything to what you claim, spreading the information by PM will not keep it secret for every long. There are many pepole that say one thing, and do another so in practice you might as well post the information.
I have sent you a PM. I do not say I believe your claim, but I am willing to listen. But you should know one thing. I am an honorable person. If I say I will not speak about something, I will not. however you do not know that. All you have is the word of some stranger on an online forum. A nick that sign her PM's Anja. It will be the same with everyone you talk with here. If there is anything to what you claim, spreading the information by PM will not keep it secret for every long. There are many pepole that say one thing, and do another so in practice you might as well post the information.
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Original post: shadow flame
again mind playing games
"i know a secret, but i'm not telling
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zaklela se zemlja raju da se sve tajne saznaju
again mind playing games
"i know a secret, but i'm not telling
"zaklela se zemlja raju da se sve tajne saznaju
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Original post: moonburn33
I'll wait for your e-book.
I'll wait for your e-book.
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Original post: jpenthol
To start, this requires a non-view of reality which is a bit foreign to the Western mind, and possibly the Eastern mind but is extremely relevant and may be seen as the reality which all views, beliefs, philosophies and religions build on. I guess you could call it "not even nihilism". Certain forms of Vedanta, such as Advaita Vedanta are close, Buddhism is closer, Taoism even closer. To approach this requires an understanding of language, and the inability of the vast majority of humankind to exorcise its influence from their realities, and to understand the horror of what the notion of self opens them up to, and how it really allows anyone who could be described as an individual person but really isn't to totally, well, own that person. This is is a cruel statement; one of the most cruel that could possibly made, and is made largely due to fear (Stop! Think about why this could be, and consider why gurus, priests, and the "illumined" have many times been pedophiles and psychopaths...and consider the nature of universal love, as extended to the suffering, and the sadistic implications of this in a world that increases in suffering; the Kali Yuga as put by the Hindus in a rather superstitious manner (superstition comes from the Latin words which mean "over" and "standing").
In Vedanta, the guru considers himself part of the infinite, indefinable brahman. But isn't it strange, that the infinite residing in such an illumined person would say that everyone else is trapped in a "veil of maya"? The guru is not illumining the individual, he is weaving a spell. He says "All of humanity is trapped in a spell made of words". In this light, the guru could be considered an asshole.
Buddhists say "You have an ego", but the supposedly egoless keep on saying "you have an ego" over and over again. This is simply a way of messing with the person and trapping them in something called an "ego" to the enlightened man. The enlightened understand that by saying "you", they're trapping the person in an illusion which those who do not have a notion of a self can use to control them; of course, illumined Buddhists, at least in ancient times also say that the notion of "you" is a further problem. But it's still reaffirming the problem. The illumined Buddhist stays in this world, which he for some reason sees fit to try to relieve other people of being in, and of course, they must be suffering to the bodhisattva; there's no joy to be found in the grim life of an unillumined Buddhist. At least Buddhism is somewhat honest.
Taoists say that the Tao is absolutely unnamable. This is great actually, but then it goes on to say that "naming is the origin of all particular things". This seems to reaffirm particular things at the same time; therefore it is still, to some extent, messing with the unillumined.
Shamanism is the most honest. The shaman is the guy who makes up the rules about how death works, and basically tells everyone. He is illumined, then discovers how people are to, you know, die and people just accept this. The shaman at least can be given some kind of credit for largely being obsessed by death his whole life, as he lives in the darkest circumstances, closest to a part of nature where superstitions are quite a part of life and accepted.
The Western philosopher, who is like a tight-lipped shaman, using only language, is a no good, lying piece of shit to an extent that he makes the eastern philosophers and priests look positively honest, which they almost are all things considered. I'm sorry, but it has to be said. To understand life in western civilization it's necessary to trod through 2500 years of pernicious lies. This is somewhat due to a problem with Western religion as started in Sumeria, however; the notions of sending human beings to be enslaved by some kind of gods serving a priesthood, who would rain their wrath down upon humanity if they did not do the will of a greedy priesthood and monarchy (which was supposedly the fate of all Sumerians) is a really stupid idea that practically begged for someone to make up some other kind of bullshit to negate it. The western philosopher considers himself the "improver" of mankind, but he lies to people in his own way and gives them only a chance to become a fellow liar while subjecting them to insane amounts of bullshit and gives only a fleeting chance to see through it.
Let's consider the psychologist. The psychologist is like the philosopher, but is more practical and without as broad of a view of things. The start of a bifurcation of humanity may have started with this, particularly with Jung, but any Christian, Jewish, Muslim psychologist is really a part of the problem, as they believe in the power of "words to become flesh". This represents people forming a view of reality that is not accurate: Psychologists sit with their little grimoire of demons called the DSM-IV and, as far as I can tell, rape humanity. They follow each illness, and each one gets sent out into the world, bringing patient after patient to them.
This could be called, perhaps, the "rape of the credulous"?
In other words, it could be interpreted that they're sending out bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, depression, autism, attention deficit disorder, borderline personality disorder, or anything else out to rape and corrupt humanity, turning them into degenerate shells of what they were before all this happened. In other words, it could be said, if one were to interpret things this way, that humanity is being raped by knowledge.
Now, let's bring up the question of the Christian, Islamic, and Jewish devil: if this entity were real to these people, it has at its disposal:
1) Any Christian, Muslim, or Jewish psychologist to deceive.
and 2) Any form of psychology with which to "make flesh" in any human who believes in the devil, or even the ancient superstition of the power of words to become manifest in reality.
It should be noted that in Christianity that the devil is deliberately made "lord of the Earth". Considering the Earthly power and fixation of the Catholic priesthood, I have no choice but to consider the Catholic priesthood to be Devil-worshippers.
Consider this for a second; this is serious. There is nothing more dangerous than this territory. This would give the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic devils free reign to rape the minds of anyone on the Earth who believes in the power of words. Any text, any view is at the disposal of the devil to rape, destroy, and deceive these people.
When you take into account the lapsed religious member of each religion: How free is a lapsed Christian, Jew, or Muslim really? If they believe in the possibility to be deceived, than to what extent are they deceived, and are instruments of the devil which they thought they were free from, but really only were deceived by?
There's way more, but you probably shouldn't listen to me, as even mentioning the possibility of these things and openning up someone to believe in them might possibly make me the biggest asshole on Earth. Just something to think about...
I came upon these conclusion by healing a psychosis, and interaction with schizophrenic, bipolar woman who had the same understanding of things I gained...I feel it is necessary to protect myself by not allowing words to be seen as having power in my reality. This is just what I'm talking about for all of you, as a possible mirror. Yes, that's why I'm the biggest asshole on the planet. Think about it.
To start, this requires a non-view of reality which is a bit foreign to the Western mind, and possibly the Eastern mind but is extremely relevant and may be seen as the reality which all views, beliefs, philosophies and religions build on. I guess you could call it "not even nihilism". Certain forms of Vedanta, such as Advaita Vedanta are close, Buddhism is closer, Taoism even closer. To approach this requires an understanding of language, and the inability of the vast majority of humankind to exorcise its influence from their realities, and to understand the horror of what the notion of self opens them up to, and how it really allows anyone who could be described as an individual person but really isn't to totally, well, own that person. This is is a cruel statement; one of the most cruel that could possibly made, and is made largely due to fear (Stop! Think about why this could be, and consider why gurus, priests, and the "illumined" have many times been pedophiles and psychopaths...and consider the nature of universal love, as extended to the suffering, and the sadistic implications of this in a world that increases in suffering; the Kali Yuga as put by the Hindus in a rather superstitious manner (superstition comes from the Latin words which mean "over" and "standing").
In Vedanta, the guru considers himself part of the infinite, indefinable brahman. But isn't it strange, that the infinite residing in such an illumined person would say that everyone else is trapped in a "veil of maya"? The guru is not illumining the individual, he is weaving a spell. He says "All of humanity is trapped in a spell made of words". In this light, the guru could be considered an asshole.
Buddhists say "You have an ego", but the supposedly egoless keep on saying "you have an ego" over and over again. This is simply a way of messing with the person and trapping them in something called an "ego" to the enlightened man. The enlightened understand that by saying "you", they're trapping the person in an illusion which those who do not have a notion of a self can use to control them; of course, illumined Buddhists, at least in ancient times also say that the notion of "you" is a further problem. But it's still reaffirming the problem. The illumined Buddhist stays in this world, which he for some reason sees fit to try to relieve other people of being in, and of course, they must be suffering to the bodhisattva; there's no joy to be found in the grim life of an unillumined Buddhist. At least Buddhism is somewhat honest.
Taoists say that the Tao is absolutely unnamable. This is great actually, but then it goes on to say that "naming is the origin of all particular things". This seems to reaffirm particular things at the same time; therefore it is still, to some extent, messing with the unillumined.
Shamanism is the most honest. The shaman is the guy who makes up the rules about how death works, and basically tells everyone. He is illumined, then discovers how people are to, you know, die and people just accept this. The shaman at least can be given some kind of credit for largely being obsessed by death his whole life, as he lives in the darkest circumstances, closest to a part of nature where superstitions are quite a part of life and accepted.
The Western philosopher, who is like a tight-lipped shaman, using only language, is a no good, lying piece of shit to an extent that he makes the eastern philosophers and priests look positively honest, which they almost are all things considered. I'm sorry, but it has to be said. To understand life in western civilization it's necessary to trod through 2500 years of pernicious lies. This is somewhat due to a problem with Western religion as started in Sumeria, however; the notions of sending human beings to be enslaved by some kind of gods serving a priesthood, who would rain their wrath down upon humanity if they did not do the will of a greedy priesthood and monarchy (which was supposedly the fate of all Sumerians) is a really stupid idea that practically begged for someone to make up some other kind of bullshit to negate it. The western philosopher considers himself the "improver" of mankind, but he lies to people in his own way and gives them only a chance to become a fellow liar while subjecting them to insane amounts of bullshit and gives only a fleeting chance to see through it.
Let's consider the psychologist. The psychologist is like the philosopher, but is more practical and without as broad of a view of things. The start of a bifurcation of humanity may have started with this, particularly with Jung, but any Christian, Jewish, Muslim psychologist is really a part of the problem, as they believe in the power of "words to become flesh". This represents people forming a view of reality that is not accurate: Psychologists sit with their little grimoire of demons called the DSM-IV and, as far as I can tell, rape humanity. They follow each illness, and each one gets sent out into the world, bringing patient after patient to them.
This could be called, perhaps, the "rape of the credulous"?
In other words, it could be interpreted that they're sending out bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, depression, autism, attention deficit disorder, borderline personality disorder, or anything else out to rape and corrupt humanity, turning them into degenerate shells of what they were before all this happened. In other words, it could be said, if one were to interpret things this way, that humanity is being raped by knowledge.
Now, let's bring up the question of the Christian, Islamic, and Jewish devil: if this entity were real to these people, it has at its disposal:
1) Any Christian, Muslim, or Jewish psychologist to deceive.
and 2) Any form of psychology with which to "make flesh" in any human who believes in the devil, or even the ancient superstition of the power of words to become manifest in reality.
It should be noted that in Christianity that the devil is deliberately made "lord of the Earth". Considering the Earthly power and fixation of the Catholic priesthood, I have no choice but to consider the Catholic priesthood to be Devil-worshippers.
Consider this for a second; this is serious. There is nothing more dangerous than this territory. This would give the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic devils free reign to rape the minds of anyone on the Earth who believes in the power of words. Any text, any view is at the disposal of the devil to rape, destroy, and deceive these people.
When you take into account the lapsed religious member of each religion: How free is a lapsed Christian, Jew, or Muslim really? If they believe in the possibility to be deceived, than to what extent are they deceived, and are instruments of the devil which they thought they were free from, but really only were deceived by?
There's way more, but you probably shouldn't listen to me, as even mentioning the possibility of these things and openning up someone to believe in them might possibly make me the biggest asshole on Earth. Just something to think about...
I came upon these conclusion by healing a psychosis, and interaction with schizophrenic, bipolar woman who had the same understanding of things I gained...I feel it is necessary to protect myself by not allowing words to be seen as having power in my reality. This is just what I'm talking about for all of you, as a possible mirror. Yes, that's why I'm the biggest asshole on the planet. Think about it.
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Warning: Art, even in this piecemeal image-thefting form, could be described as very cruel. That said, I hope this helps someone understand something or help someone they love.
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Original post: Venefica
I am not sure I understand what you mean with the pictures you posted. Can you explain?
I am not sure I understand what you mean with the pictures you posted. Can you explain?
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Original post: Rend Sever
[QUOTE=Venefica;364304]I am not sure I understand what you mean with the pictures you posted. Can you explain?[/QUOTE]
..ditto. :eh:
[QUOTE=Venefica;364304]I am not sure I understand what you mean with the pictures you posted. Can you explain?[/QUOTE]
..ditto. :eh:
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I can not make it much clearer, but I will try. Do NOT believe this outright, I do not wish to spread this illness, although perhaps it may be inevitable.
The book the priest reads tells the believers that all things came into being through the Word of God. One of the things the priest tells everyone is that there is a devil which is out to destroy everyone, tempt the nations, deceive, etc.
If all things come into being through the Word, and there is a believer, or a lapsed believer who is still caught up in words, (and may or may not realize this) then he is beholden to any words which would bind him.
Modern behavioral psychology is full of diagnoses, dysfunctional ways of acting, etc.
Then, there is a man who is caught up in all these: he is not a person who is free of words, and so all things on Earth made of words, including the devil which takes prominence in the place of the God he does not believe in, are able to define who he is, his problems, his troubles. He is the son of his father, nailed to a cross by him, sent into the world to die, but perhaps he can break free? His problems are the manifestation of "the Word made flesh"; any problem can be visited upon him that is made of words. Mental illness, delusion, insanity, depression, anything that's defined. As opposed to such things rising naturally, they are a direct result of a chain of destruction read from the words which come from the holy book. The devil he is not free of, from the holy book, uses any text to rape him.
He may be come aware of this. He is told that he is sent into the world by his Father; he desperately tries to use words to formulate a philosophy which negates this possibility, he is mad at his father, and mad that the mother which represents the women he would be attracted to is said to be a virgin. He is a second Adam, a product of priestly manipulation. He tries to create a philosophy which negates Christianity; perhaps he reads Nietzsche, Heidegger, Schopenhauer, or any non-Christian philosopher. Perhaps he gets involved in Eastern philosophy, such as Buddhism or Vedanta, or Taoism. At the root of his desire to escape the Christian Word, however, is a desire to kill his Father, and to achieve union with a woman; he does not want a "virgin mother figure".
If he realizes the true nature of his motives, he might find himself in a world of total despair at the nature of things, and harm himself. He might destroy or kill himself to try to escape it because of guilt.
In the end, he has not escaped the coffin with the cross on it, which is exactly what the priest, at the beginning, who reads the word, would have it.
I can not make it much clearer, but I will try. Do NOT believe this outright, I do not wish to spread this illness, although perhaps it may be inevitable.
The book the priest reads tells the believers that all things came into being through the Word of God. One of the things the priest tells everyone is that there is a devil which is out to destroy everyone, tempt the nations, deceive, etc.
If all things come into being through the Word, and there is a believer, or a lapsed believer who is still caught up in words, (and may or may not realize this) then he is beholden to any words which would bind him.
Modern behavioral psychology is full of diagnoses, dysfunctional ways of acting, etc.
Then, there is a man who is caught up in all these: he is not a person who is free of words, and so all things on Earth made of words, including the devil which takes prominence in the place of the God he does not believe in, are able to define who he is, his problems, his troubles. He is the son of his father, nailed to a cross by him, sent into the world to die, but perhaps he can break free? His problems are the manifestation of "the Word made flesh"; any problem can be visited upon him that is made of words. Mental illness, delusion, insanity, depression, anything that's defined. As opposed to such things rising naturally, they are a direct result of a chain of destruction read from the words which come from the holy book. The devil he is not free of, from the holy book, uses any text to rape him.
He may be come aware of this. He is told that he is sent into the world by his Father; he desperately tries to use words to formulate a philosophy which negates this possibility, he is mad at his father, and mad that the mother which represents the women he would be attracted to is said to be a virgin. He is a second Adam, a product of priestly manipulation. He tries to create a philosophy which negates Christianity; perhaps he reads Nietzsche, Heidegger, Schopenhauer, or any non-Christian philosopher. Perhaps he gets involved in Eastern philosophy, such as Buddhism or Vedanta, or Taoism. At the root of his desire to escape the Christian Word, however, is a desire to kill his Father, and to achieve union with a woman; he does not want a "virgin mother figure".
If he realizes the true nature of his motives, he might find himself in a world of total despair at the nature of things, and harm himself. He might destroy or kill himself to try to escape it because of guilt.
In the end, he has not escaped the coffin with the cross on it, which is exactly what the priest, at the beginning, who reads the word, would have it.
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Original post: Rend Sever
Sounds like he had a pretty exciting and eventful life.
Does anyone ever truly escape the coffin, anyways?
Sounds like he had a pretty exciting and eventful life.
Does anyone ever truly escape the coffin, anyways?
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"The number of American children and adolescents treated for bipolar disorder increased 40-fold from 1994 to 2003, researchers report today in the most comprehensive study of the controversial diagnosis."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/health/04psych.html
"This goes beyond just personal interest. Its my calling now, after 6 years of being diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Without going into too much detail...my initial manic episode was very much an uncontrollable unrelenting state of what Morrison called "magical consciousness". Constant interaction with the infinite, cosmic unity, collapse of linear time, the whole deal."
http://www.barbelith.com/topic/27053
Autism is about 10 times as prevalent today as it was in the 1980's, according to the country's largest study ever on the problem. Some of the increase is the result of widened definitions of the disorder, researchers say, but the explanation for the rest of the increase is unknown.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9659C8B63
I have seen the link between Autism and Satanism discussed before, and have noticed a tendency in autistic individuals to have the sort of interaction and understanding with the world that tends to exist among Satanists.
Just more food for thought...
"The number of American children and adolescents treated for bipolar disorder increased 40-fold from 1994 to 2003, researchers report today in the most comprehensive study of the controversial diagnosis."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/04/health/04psych.html
"This goes beyond just personal interest. Its my calling now, after 6 years of being diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Without going into too much detail...my initial manic episode was very much an uncontrollable unrelenting state of what Morrison called "magical consciousness". Constant interaction with the infinite, cosmic unity, collapse of linear time, the whole deal."
http://www.barbelith.com/topic/27053
Autism is about 10 times as prevalent today as it was in the 1980's, according to the country's largest study ever on the problem. Some of the increase is the result of widened definitions of the disorder, researchers say, but the explanation for the rest of the increase is unknown.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9659C8B63
I have seen the link between Autism and Satanism discussed before, and have noticed a tendency in autistic individuals to have the sort of interaction and understanding with the world that tends to exist among Satanists.
Just more food for thought...
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Let's imagine that there is some truth to all this. The real God is the priest, whom the masses call Father. The devil is his tool for murdering non-Christians and forcing them back to faith on pain of self-destruction and death. From them he can gain power, money, and if he feels like it, little boys to rape.
I think we found a "Satanist" that isn't a poser, huh?
Let's imagine that there is some truth to all this. The real God is the priest, whom the masses call Father. The devil is his tool for murdering non-Christians and forcing them back to faith on pain of self-destruction and death. From them he can gain power, money, and if he feels like it, little boys to rape.
I think we found a "Satanist" that isn't a poser, huh?
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Original post: Venefica
There is a rise in the number of pepole treated for mental problems yes. But that do not need to mean a rise in the number of pepole with mental problems. Before mental problems was a big shame and pepole tried to hide it, the idea that mental problems is something to hide and be shameful of is lessening in today's society, so more pepole will seek out help."The number of American children and adolescents treated for bipolar disorder increased 40-fold from 1994 to 2003, researchers report today in the most comprehensive study of the controversial diagnosis."
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Even more food for thought: At what point did one learn that they have to die? From whom did they learn it? What died, and screams in agony at who told them this?
"Isn't it strange, that as soon as you're born you're dying?"
Even more food for thought: At what point did one learn that they have to die? From whom did they learn it? What died, and screams in agony at who told them this?
"Isn't it strange, that as soon as you're born you're dying?"
19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
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Original post: Rend Sever
Autism has also been liked to childhood vaccinations, which from what I have seen has more merit than... wait, what is your point exactly?
Autism has also been liked to childhood vaccinations, which from what I have seen has more merit than... wait, what is your point exactly?
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Original post: filthofstars
[QUOTE=jpenthol;364391]Let's imagine that there is some truth to all this. The real God is the priest, whom the masses call Father. The devil is his tool for murdering non-Christians and forcing them back to faith on pain of self-destruction and death. From them he can gain power, money, and if he feels like it, little boys to rape.
I think we found a "Satanist" that isn't a poser, huh?[/QUOTE]
YOU BET!!!
[QUOTE=jpenthol;364391]Let's imagine that there is some truth to all this. The real God is the priest, whom the masses call Father. The devil is his tool for murdering non-Christians and forcing them back to faith on pain of self-destruction and death. From them he can gain power, money, and if he feels like it, little boys to rape.
I think we found a "Satanist" that isn't a poser, huh?[/QUOTE]
YOU BET!!!
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Original post: filthofstars
[QUOTE=jpenthol;364164]To start, this requires a non-view of reality which is a bit foreign to the Western mind, and possibly the Eastern mind but is extremely relevant and may be seen as the reality which all views, beliefs, philosophies and religions build on. I guess you could call it "not even nihilism". Certain forms of Vedanta, such as Advaita Vedanta are close, Buddhism is closer, Taoism even closer. To approach this requires an understanding of language, and the inability of the vast majority of humankind to exorcise its influence from their realities, and to understand the horror of what the notion of self opens them up to, and how it really allows anyone who could be described as an individual person but really isn't to totally, well, own that person. This is is a cruel statement; one of the most cruel that could possibly made, and is made largely due to fear (Stop! Think about why this could be, and consider why gurus, priests, and the "illumined" have many times been pedophiles and psychopaths...and consider the nature of universal love, as extended to the suffering, and the sadistic implications of this in a world that increases in suffering; the Kali Yuga as put by the Hindus in a rather superstitious manner (superstition comes from the Latin words which mean "over" and "standing").
In Vedanta, the guru considers himself part of the infinite, indefinable brahman. But isn't it strange, that the infinite residing in such an illumined person would say that everyone else is trapped in a "veil of maya"? The guru is not illumining the individual, he is weaving a spell. He says "All of humanity is trapped in a spell made of words". In this light, the guru could be considered an asshole.
Buddhists say "You have an ego", but the supposedly egoless keep on saying "you have an ego" over and over again. This is simply a way of messing with the person and trapping them in something called an "ego" to the enlightened man. The enlightened understand that by saying "you", they're trapping the person in an illusion which those who do not have a notion of a self can use to control them; of course, illumined Buddhists, at least in ancient times also say that the notion of "you" is a further problem. But it's still reaffirming the problem. The illumined Buddhist stays in this world, which he for some reason sees fit to try to relieve other people of being in, and of course, they must be suffering to the bodhisattva; there's no joy to be found in the grim life of an unillumined Buddhist. At least Buddhism is somewhat honest.
Taoists say that the Tao is absolutely unnamable. This is great actually, but then it goes on to say that "naming is the origin of all particular things". This seems to reaffirm particular things at the same time; therefore it is still, to some extent, messing with the unillumined.
Shamanism is the most honest. The shaman is the guy who makes up the rules about how death works, and basically tells everyone. He is illumined, then discovers how people are to, you know, die and people just accept this. The shaman at least can be given some kind of credit for largely being obsessed by death his whole life, as he lives in the darkest circumstances, closest to a part of nature where superstitions are quite a part of life and accepted.
The Western philosopher, who is like a tight-lipped shaman, using only language, is a no good, lying piece of shit to an extent that he makes the eastern philosophers and priests look positively honest, which they almost are all things considered. I'm sorry, but it has to be said. To understand life in western civilization it's necessary to trod through 2500 years of pernicious lies. This is somewhat due to a problem with Western religion as started in Sumeria, however; the notions of sending human beings to be enslaved by some kind of gods serving a priesthood, who would rain their wrath down upon humanity if they did not do the will of a greedy priesthood and monarchy (which was supposedly the fate of all Sumerians) is a really stupid idea that practically begged for someone to make up some other kind of bullshit to negate it. The western philosopher considers himself the "improver" of mankind, but he lies to people in his own way and gives them only a chance to become a fellow liar while subjecting them to insane amounts of bullshit and gives only a fleeting chance to see through it.
Let's consider the psychologist. The psychologist is like the philosopher, but is more practical and without as broad of a view of things. The start of a bifurcation of humanity may have started with this, particularly with Jung, but any Christian, Jewish, Muslim psychologist is really a part of the problem, as they believe in the power of "words to become flesh". This represents people forming a view of reality that is not accurate: Psychologists sit with their little grimoire of demons called the DSM-IV and, as far as I can tell, rape humanity. They follow each illness, and each one gets sent out into the world, bringing patient after patient to them.
This could be called, perhaps, the "rape of the credulous"?
In other words, it could be interpreted that they're sending out bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, depression, autism, attention deficit disorder, borderline personality disorder, or anything else out to rape and corrupt humanity, turning them into degenerate shells of what they were before all this happened. In other words, it could be said, if one were to interpret things this way, that humanity is being raped by knowledge.
Now, let's bring up the question of the Christian, Islamic, and Jewish devil: if this entity were real to these people, it has at its disposal:
1) Any Christian, Muslim, or Jewish psychologist to deceive.
and 2) Any form of psychology with which to "make flesh" in any human who believes in the devil, or even the ancient superstition of the power of words to become manifest in reality.
It should be noted that in Christianity that the devil is deliberately made "lord of the Earth". Considering the Earthly power and fixation of the Catholic priesthood, I have no choice but to consider the Catholic priesthood to be Devil-worshippers.
Consider this for a second; this is serious. There is nothing more dangerous than this territory. This would give the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic devils free reign to rape the minds of anyone on the Earth who believes in the power of words. Any text, any view is at the disposal of the devil to rape, destroy, and deceive these people.
When you take into account the lapsed religious member of each religion: How free is a lapsed Christian, Jew, or Muslim really? If they believe in the possibility to be deceived, than to what extent are they deceived, and are instruments of the devil which they thought they were free from, but really only were deceived by?
There's way more, but you probably shouldn't listen to me, as even mentioning the possibility of these things and openning up someone to believe in them might possibly make me the biggest asshole on Earth. Just something to think about...
I came upon these conclusion by healing a psychosis, and interaction with schizophrenic, bipolar woman who had the same understanding of things I gained...I feel it is necessary to protect myself by not allowing words to be seen as having power in my reality. This is just what I'm talking about for all of you, as a possible mirror. Yes, that's why I'm the biggest asshole on the planet. Think about it.[/QUOTE]
This by far is the best thing I have read on OF as of late. You laid it all out on the table. Priests are constantly telling other people, "You are sinful!" and then the christians affirm this every time they go to church. Therefore there is a cycle of sin that is constantly nurtured and fed. This is what Churches are for. Churches are to create disorder, reinforce sin and to keep people sinful. Psychology has flowed into the vein of churches. People become irrational through singing about how sinful they are and then in this "high" of worshiping the priest, they give money out. Payment to be sinful. Almost like prostitution.
[QUOTE=jpenthol;364164]To start, this requires a non-view of reality which is a bit foreign to the Western mind, and possibly the Eastern mind but is extremely relevant and may be seen as the reality which all views, beliefs, philosophies and religions build on. I guess you could call it "not even nihilism". Certain forms of Vedanta, such as Advaita Vedanta are close, Buddhism is closer, Taoism even closer. To approach this requires an understanding of language, and the inability of the vast majority of humankind to exorcise its influence from their realities, and to understand the horror of what the notion of self opens them up to, and how it really allows anyone who could be described as an individual person but really isn't to totally, well, own that person. This is is a cruel statement; one of the most cruel that could possibly made, and is made largely due to fear (Stop! Think about why this could be, and consider why gurus, priests, and the "illumined" have many times been pedophiles and psychopaths...and consider the nature of universal love, as extended to the suffering, and the sadistic implications of this in a world that increases in suffering; the Kali Yuga as put by the Hindus in a rather superstitious manner (superstition comes from the Latin words which mean "over" and "standing").
In Vedanta, the guru considers himself part of the infinite, indefinable brahman. But isn't it strange, that the infinite residing in such an illumined person would say that everyone else is trapped in a "veil of maya"? The guru is not illumining the individual, he is weaving a spell. He says "All of humanity is trapped in a spell made of words". In this light, the guru could be considered an asshole.
Buddhists say "You have an ego", but the supposedly egoless keep on saying "you have an ego" over and over again. This is simply a way of messing with the person and trapping them in something called an "ego" to the enlightened man. The enlightened understand that by saying "you", they're trapping the person in an illusion which those who do not have a notion of a self can use to control them; of course, illumined Buddhists, at least in ancient times also say that the notion of "you" is a further problem. But it's still reaffirming the problem. The illumined Buddhist stays in this world, which he for some reason sees fit to try to relieve other people of being in, and of course, they must be suffering to the bodhisattva; there's no joy to be found in the grim life of an unillumined Buddhist. At least Buddhism is somewhat honest.
Taoists say that the Tao is absolutely unnamable. This is great actually, but then it goes on to say that "naming is the origin of all particular things". This seems to reaffirm particular things at the same time; therefore it is still, to some extent, messing with the unillumined.
Shamanism is the most honest. The shaman is the guy who makes up the rules about how death works, and basically tells everyone. He is illumined, then discovers how people are to, you know, die and people just accept this. The shaman at least can be given some kind of credit for largely being obsessed by death his whole life, as he lives in the darkest circumstances, closest to a part of nature where superstitions are quite a part of life and accepted.
The Western philosopher, who is like a tight-lipped shaman, using only language, is a no good, lying piece of shit to an extent that he makes the eastern philosophers and priests look positively honest, which they almost are all things considered. I'm sorry, but it has to be said. To understand life in western civilization it's necessary to trod through 2500 years of pernicious lies. This is somewhat due to a problem with Western religion as started in Sumeria, however; the notions of sending human beings to be enslaved by some kind of gods serving a priesthood, who would rain their wrath down upon humanity if they did not do the will of a greedy priesthood and monarchy (which was supposedly the fate of all Sumerians) is a really stupid idea that practically begged for someone to make up some other kind of bullshit to negate it. The western philosopher considers himself the "improver" of mankind, but he lies to people in his own way and gives them only a chance to become a fellow liar while subjecting them to insane amounts of bullshit and gives only a fleeting chance to see through it.
Let's consider the psychologist. The psychologist is like the philosopher, but is more practical and without as broad of a view of things. The start of a bifurcation of humanity may have started with this, particularly with Jung, but any Christian, Jewish, Muslim psychologist is really a part of the problem, as they believe in the power of "words to become flesh". This represents people forming a view of reality that is not accurate: Psychologists sit with their little grimoire of demons called the DSM-IV and, as far as I can tell, rape humanity. They follow each illness, and each one gets sent out into the world, bringing patient after patient to them.
This could be called, perhaps, the "rape of the credulous"?
In other words, it could be interpreted that they're sending out bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, depression, autism, attention deficit disorder, borderline personality disorder, or anything else out to rape and corrupt humanity, turning them into degenerate shells of what they were before all this happened. In other words, it could be said, if one were to interpret things this way, that humanity is being raped by knowledge.
Now, let's bring up the question of the Christian, Islamic, and Jewish devil: if this entity were real to these people, it has at its disposal:
1) Any Christian, Muslim, or Jewish psychologist to deceive.
and 2) Any form of psychology with which to "make flesh" in any human who believes in the devil, or even the ancient superstition of the power of words to become manifest in reality.
It should be noted that in Christianity that the devil is deliberately made "lord of the Earth". Considering the Earthly power and fixation of the Catholic priesthood, I have no choice but to consider the Catholic priesthood to be Devil-worshippers.
Consider this for a second; this is serious. There is nothing more dangerous than this territory. This would give the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic devils free reign to rape the minds of anyone on the Earth who believes in the power of words. Any text, any view is at the disposal of the devil to rape, destroy, and deceive these people.
When you take into account the lapsed religious member of each religion: How free is a lapsed Christian, Jew, or Muslim really? If they believe in the possibility to be deceived, than to what extent are they deceived, and are instruments of the devil which they thought they were free from, but really only were deceived by?
There's way more, but you probably shouldn't listen to me, as even mentioning the possibility of these things and openning up someone to believe in them might possibly make me the biggest asshole on Earth. Just something to think about...
I came upon these conclusion by healing a psychosis, and interaction with schizophrenic, bipolar woman who had the same understanding of things I gained...I feel it is necessary to protect myself by not allowing words to be seen as having power in my reality. This is just what I'm talking about for all of you, as a possible mirror. Yes, that's why I'm the biggest asshole on the planet. Think about it.[/QUOTE]
This by far is the best thing I have read on OF as of late. You laid it all out on the table. Priests are constantly telling other people, "You are sinful!" and then the christians affirm this every time they go to church. Therefore there is a cycle of sin that is constantly nurtured and fed. This is what Churches are for. Churches are to create disorder, reinforce sin and to keep people sinful. Psychology has flowed into the vein of churches. People become irrational through singing about how sinful they are and then in this "high" of worshiping the priest, they give money out. Payment to be sinful. Almost like prostitution.
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Original post: S33k3R
...which is why nobody here is Catholic...
I'm sorry, but can somebody, (succinctly), please tell me WTF this thread is about...the Holy people are the root of the evils they are supposed to preach against by re-enforcing these evils into you....or something?
...which is why nobody here is Catholic...
I'm sorry, but can somebody, (succinctly), please tell me WTF this thread is about...the Holy people are the root of the evils they are supposed to preach against by re-enforcing these evils into you....or something?
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Original post: LoD
Ave,
I agree, Filthofstars... there is a lot to be read and understood from what the OP states. I wouldn't go as far as calling this individual a troll at all. There is sense in what he/she is saying, and I think I understand... it may seem like 'yeah, duh, everybody knows this...' but there is a way of wording something and there is another way of wording something and... ad infinitum. I like this one and hopefully more will come out of this.
Blessings,
LoD
Ave,
I agree, Filthofstars... there is a lot to be read and understood from what the OP states. I wouldn't go as far as calling this individual a troll at all. There is sense in what he/she is saying, and I think I understand... it may seem like 'yeah, duh, everybody knows this...' but there is a way of wording something and there is another way of wording something and... ad infinitum. I like this one and hopefully more will come out of this.
Blessings,
LoD