Original post: Marquise De Sade
Hello... I'am sorry if these questions have been asked before but I'am just starting on my path to learn more about the sumerian religion, and perhaps to become part of an actual group if I find one. Anway from what I read about the Sumerian Gods the human race was designed for slave labor, and nothing more. After life mortals descend to the underworld which isn't really a happy place at all. It has made me see that perhaps the sumerians viewed life in a very pessimistic way. However then I read the story about how Inanna gave humanity the "me" perhpas showing a sign of compassion twords the creation. My question is, is it that the sumerian Gods don't care about their followers? Is it that those who follow the sumerian belief system must expect a very gloom afterlife? Do the Sumerian Gods somehow decide to change their view and care for humanity later on?
What exactly is Dilmun, and what is Nibiru? Whats with all the alien fuss about, and is there any symbolic meaning behind these things which do not relate to the whole alien thing?
What exactly are the annunaki?
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The anunnaki are the earth gods/ess contrasting with the igiggi, the deities of heaven. Spirits of the Earth, who were here before us...
Niburu is Stitchen's ficticious planet of the crossing, which personally I find to be silly, because his equalateral cross that he uses for the symbol of Nibiru is in my opinion the symbol for Earth. But in any case, Stitchen doesn't even know Sumerian or cuniform.
I like to think some of the Sumerian deities correspond to the seven lower sephiroth, but maybe not the ruach as a whole.
The sons of a certain high deity could be different emanations of him as his symbolic planet moves through the zodiac. Sons and daughters could also possibly be one in the same as time went on, they just changed into different deities for the people.
Being the lower seven sephiroth, which partially dip into the shells depending on the energy we give to the certain sphere, which must manifest, I see the annunaki as benevolent and malevolent.
It's interesting to think about if they care or not. All I can say is I see for instance, Ishtar cares very much for her followers, and will work for them in ritual and the like. And yet, over time I have begun to see Ishtar as the empress card, but looked at from a different viewpoint. Maybe an aspect of her is the mother of the fallen shekinah. Some say that when she is degrated into a prostitute, she becomes the sentinel of the 14th tunnel of set. But they're all still holy divisions of the forefather, so all of them still demand respect no matter what sort of interactions you may have.
edit: Not to mix theologies up, but in the Apocryphon of John, Yaldabaoth creates a human not out of love, but because he sees Adam Kadmon lighting up the astral wherever he goes, and envies the power, so after man is created, his angels must have put them to work, ha ha.
The anunnaki are the earth gods/ess contrasting with the igiggi, the deities of heaven. Spirits of the Earth, who were here before us...
Niburu is Stitchen's ficticious planet of the crossing, which personally I find to be silly, because his equalateral cross that he uses for the symbol of Nibiru is in my opinion the symbol for Earth. But in any case, Stitchen doesn't even know Sumerian or cuniform.
I like to think some of the Sumerian deities correspond to the seven lower sephiroth, but maybe not the ruach as a whole.
The sons of a certain high deity could be different emanations of him as his symbolic planet moves through the zodiac. Sons and daughters could also possibly be one in the same as time went on, they just changed into different deities for the people.
Being the lower seven sephiroth, which partially dip into the shells depending on the energy we give to the certain sphere, which must manifest, I see the annunaki as benevolent and malevolent.
It's interesting to think about if they care or not. All I can say is I see for instance, Ishtar cares very much for her followers, and will work for them in ritual and the like. And yet, over time I have begun to see Ishtar as the empress card, but looked at from a different viewpoint. Maybe an aspect of her is the mother of the fallen shekinah. Some say that when she is degrated into a prostitute, she becomes the sentinel of the 14th tunnel of set. But they're all still holy divisions of the forefather, so all of them still demand respect no matter what sort of interactions you may have.
edit: Not to mix theologies up, but in the Apocryphon of John, Yaldabaoth creates a human not out of love, but because he sees Adam Kadmon lighting up the astral wherever he goes, and envies the power, so after man is created, his angels must have put them to work, ha ha.
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Original post: vulnera
by some accounts some of the annunaki (namely enki and ninhursag... among others) do care about the workers they created, and even intervened in the case of utnapishtim and the flood... primarily because there were "birth goddesses" and dna donors among them, and in some ways we could be considered their own offspring..
sitchin schmitzchin.... a great source for fantastic ideas, but please read the translated texts for yourself.
by some accounts some of the annunaki (namely enki and ninhursag... among others) do care about the workers they created, and even intervened in the case of utnapishtim and the flood... primarily because there were "birth goddesses" and dna donors among them, and in some ways we could be considered their own offspring..
sitchin schmitzchin.... a great source for fantastic ideas, but please read the translated texts for yourself.
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Original post: PaulS
The Anunnuki (greater children of An and Ki) and Annuna (An's children)
Here is a link to better show who the Anunnaki and Annuna were.
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html#A1.3.3
This link and others can be explored in the sticky on the front page of this forum labeled as AM&M Resources. If you are interested in the history of Sumer there are some reliable educational links there.
If you wish to believe in Sitchin's science fantasy as fact then you won't be happy with the knowledge that is in educational sites. If you want to hear the truth about sitchin I am sure I could find my notes on him.
PaulS
The Anunnuki (greater children of An and Ki) and Annuna (An's children)
Here is a link to better show who the Anunnaki and Annuna were.
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html#A1.3.3
This link and others can be explored in the sticky on the front page of this forum labeled as AM&M Resources. If you are interested in the history of Sumer there are some reliable educational links there.
If you wish to believe in Sitchin's science fantasy as fact then you won't be happy with the knowledge that is in educational sites. If you want to hear the truth about sitchin I am sure I could find my notes on him.
PaulS
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Original post: Marquise De Sade
Thank you all for your replys. What do you mean abou the truth about Mr.Stichin? If you have the time PaulS I would really appriciate the information you have. To be honest I really don't like his whole science fiction version of the story. However I would like to know and understand as much as I can.
Thank you all for your replys. What do you mean abou the truth about Mr.Stichin? If you have the time PaulS I would really appriciate the information you have. To be honest I really don't like his whole science fiction version of the story. However I would like to know and understand as much as I can.
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Original post: PaulS
Our mr. Sitchin is a minor degree holder (AA) in financial history. He was born in Russia and moved to The middle east where he attended grade shcool. At seventeen he moved to England to attend the School of finance and left after two years. He joined the Ancient Astronauts Society but was drummed out for his lack of grounding in the real world. He writes science fantasy about aliens doing gene therapy on apes to make humans and tells stories about Sumerians mining gold for the alien "gods". He has no background in Cuneiform - can't decifer his own name in Cuneiform - and yet writes stories that are supposed to be his interpretations of the ancien texts. I have less respect for the man than for the science fiction writers who identify themselves as such because there are those who don't know any better than to believe Sitchin-ism as fact. people do not learn to look things up and test them before believing in all the (stuff) that is spewing from the bottom sources.
If you e-mail me I will give you the whole biographical text that I have but that is enough for here.
There are good resources right here to find out about Sumer.
PaulS
Our mr. Sitchin is a minor degree holder (AA) in financial history. He was born in Russia and moved to The middle east where he attended grade shcool. At seventeen he moved to England to attend the School of finance and left after two years. He joined the Ancient Astronauts Society but was drummed out for his lack of grounding in the real world. He writes science fantasy about aliens doing gene therapy on apes to make humans and tells stories about Sumerians mining gold for the alien "gods". He has no background in Cuneiform - can't decifer his own name in Cuneiform - and yet writes stories that are supposed to be his interpretations of the ancien texts. I have less respect for the man than for the science fiction writers who identify themselves as such because there are those who don't know any better than to believe Sitchin-ism as fact. people do not learn to look things up and test them before believing in all the (stuff) that is spewing from the bottom sources.
If you e-mail me I will give you the whole biographical text that I have but that is enough for here.
There are good resources right here to find out about Sumer.
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Original post: Qryztufre
You can discuss this guy in a bit more detail here:Zecharia Sitchin @ Skepdic.com <-- an OF thread link
It's up in OT-O & is mostly Evilsock & myself taking about him...but feel free to bump the thread with new questions, comments, or further insights...
(On a side note, not ALL of what Sitchen has to say is bogus...those that think that have not read all of his books
though, I must admit that sinse I have read all of his books my mind is now a jumble of miss-matched translations, and exagerations that I find annoying...I wish someone would pull his valid ideas out into the open and publish them *sigh*)
Q
You can discuss this guy in a bit more detail here:Zecharia Sitchin @ Skepdic.com <-- an OF thread link
It's up in OT-O & is mostly Evilsock & myself taking about him...but feel free to bump the thread with new questions, comments, or further insights...
(On a side note, not ALL of what Sitchen has to say is bogus...those that think that have not read all of his books
though, I must admit that sinse I have read all of his books my mind is now a jumble of miss-matched translations, and exagerations that I find annoying...I wish someone would pull his valid ideas out into the open and publish them *sigh*)Q
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Original post: vulnera
ive read a vast majority of his work... as well as translations of the original texts of varying quality.
sitchin does indeed have his strong points. well worth the read(s).
ive read a vast majority of his work... as well as translations of the original texts of varying quality.
sitchin does indeed have his strong points. well worth the read(s).