Original post: Frater V.V.L
Has anyone here performed this particular ritual? If so please explain the results, I have been studying its structure and it seems overwhelmingly interesting to me!
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Original post: Qryztufre
While no one in this thread claims to have done it (that I noticed) it may shed a bit of light on it fer ya...
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread. ... ess+ritual
If it's where you got the idea to post this thread, maybe ya shoulda asked in there
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While no one in this thread claims to have done it (that I noticed) it may shed a bit of light on it fer ya...
http://www.occultforums.com/showthread. ... ess+ritual
If it's where you got the idea to post this thread, maybe ya shoulda asked in there
*hits the search button again*
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Original post: Frater V.V.L
nope, was not aware thankee, fellow michigander lol
nope, was not aware thankee, fellow michigander lol
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Original post: palindroem
This
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n7/bornless.html
is an interesting article . . . worth looking at if your studying the Bornless.
This
http://www.jwmt.org/v1n7/bornless.html
is an interesting article . . . worth looking at if your studying the Bornless.
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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Dear Frater V.V.L.
[QUOTE=Frater V.V.L]Has anyone here performed this particular ritual? If so please explain the results, I have been studying its structure and it seems overwhelmingly interesting to me![/QUOTE]
I have used the Bornless Ritual for some few years now (although I have been rather lax of late).
The Bornless Ritual a la Liber Samekh was created by Crowley, based on a fragmentary Graeco-Egyptian papyrus, as a means of achieving the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.
I will often use this ritual to "power-up" prior to the main invocations of a ritual, but for me it's main purpose is for the HGA.
Initially, the movements, visualisations etc of the ritual can be rather confusing (assuming one is doing it physically, rather than in the body of light) but with persistence comes reward.
Results are unique to the individual, but they all seem to include an expanded consciousness, an influx of power, and a connection with the HGA.
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Dear Frater V.V.L.
[QUOTE=Frater V.V.L]Has anyone here performed this particular ritual? If so please explain the results, I have been studying its structure and it seems overwhelmingly interesting to me![/QUOTE]
I have used the Bornless Ritual for some few years now (although I have been rather lax of late).
The Bornless Ritual a la Liber Samekh was created by Crowley, based on a fragmentary Graeco-Egyptian papyrus, as a means of achieving the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.
I will often use this ritual to "power-up" prior to the main invocations of a ritual, but for me it's main purpose is for the HGA.
Initially, the movements, visualisations etc of the ritual can be rather confusing (assuming one is doing it physically, rather than in the body of light) but with persistence comes reward.
Results are unique to the individual, but they all seem to include an expanded consciousness, an influx of power, and a connection with the HGA.
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Original post: Nero
Just want to clear something up Fiat_lux_777
It is something odd I have noticed recently. The bornless ritual is what most GD folks call the invocation by itself. The invocation combined with what looks like a modified SIRP was what was orginally called the Preliminary Invocation of the Goetia, and is the same ritual called Liber Samekh by followers of Thelema. Not that anything is wrong with that, just pointing out the fact that it seems when you use the term Bornless Ritual two big groups think of two completly different rituals. Hoping to clear up some confusion....
With that out of the way I would like to say IMHO Liber Samekh is Crowley's greatest achievement. A very well put together ritual.
Additionally I would like to say I am working on a theory that Liber Resh and Liber Samekh have much more in common than most people realize.
Just want to clear something up Fiat_lux_777
It is something odd I have noticed recently. The bornless ritual is what most GD folks call the invocation by itself. The invocation combined with what looks like a modified SIRP was what was orginally called the Preliminary Invocation of the Goetia, and is the same ritual called Liber Samekh by followers of Thelema. Not that anything is wrong with that, just pointing out the fact that it seems when you use the term Bornless Ritual two big groups think of two completly different rituals. Hoping to clear up some confusion....
With that out of the way I would like to say IMHO Liber Samekh is Crowley's greatest achievement. A very well put together ritual.
Additionally I would like to say I am working on a theory that Liber Resh and Liber Samekh have much more in common than most people realize.
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Original post: insert_name_here
I heard it was based on Allen Bennets' Evocation of Taphtartarath, I have only seen this name mentioned by William Blake, who is Taphtartarath?
I heard it was based on Allen Bennets' Evocation of Taphtartarath, I have only seen this name mentioned by William Blake, who is Taphtartarath?
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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[/font]You are, of course, quite correct. I tend to use the terms interchangeably, often calling the ritual the Headless One as well!
From memory, he is the spirit of Mercury.
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The bornless ritual is what most GD folks call the invocation by itself. The invocation combined with what looks like a modified SIRP was what was orginally called the Preliminary Invocation of the Goetia, and is the same ritual called Liber Samekh by followers of Thelema. Not that anything is wrong with that, just pointing out the fact that it seems when you use the term Bornless Ritual two big groups think of two completly different rituals
[/font]You are, of course, quite correct. I tend to use the terms interchangeably, often calling the ritual the Headless One as well!
who is Taphtartarath?
From memory, he is the spirit of Mercury.
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Original post: gafasoren
i find the comments here concerning the borneless, or as i think you mentioned fiat, also the headless ritual to be fascinating. i appreciate the learned comments made here.
i've seen the bornless ritual done in various ways and different effects. it is interesting how the rite can be adapted at certain points. i especially appreciate the comments of fiat and the very true signiture comments of nero.
i find the comments here concerning the borneless, or as i think you mentioned fiat, also the headless ritual to be fascinating. i appreciate the learned comments made here.
i've seen the bornless ritual done in various ways and different effects. it is interesting how the rite can be adapted at certain points. i especially appreciate the comments of fiat and the very true signiture comments of nero.
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Original post: Kallisti
I'm glad that someone started this thread. The Bornless Ritual is really cool.
I have done the Bornless Invocation a few times, as a means of contacting the HGA. It is kind of difficult for me to do because it's so complicated, but I had some very interesting results. I performed it maybe three times over the course of a week, and then I around that time I experienced something which I call 'ego-flickering'. My personality would change for a few moments, and I'd be someone completely new, someone I didn't know, and then I'd revert back to my usual self. It's a bizzare experience. It still happens now and then; it's been about six months since I last performed it, though. Elements of the imagery show up in my artwork now.
I was working from the version given in Regardie's Golden Dawn, slightly rearranged.
I'm glad that someone started this thread. The Bornless Ritual is really cool.
I have done the Bornless Invocation a few times, as a means of contacting the HGA. It is kind of difficult for me to do because it's so complicated, but I had some very interesting results. I performed it maybe three times over the course of a week, and then I around that time I experienced something which I call 'ego-flickering'. My personality would change for a few moments, and I'd be someone completely new, someone I didn't know, and then I'd revert back to my usual self. It's a bizzare experience. It still happens now and then; it's been about six months since I last performed it, though. Elements of the imagery show up in my artwork now.
I was working from the version given in Regardie's Golden Dawn, slightly rearranged.
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Original post: Frater V.V.L
Very interesting, these are the results I wanted ! I like to hear what people have to say about it now, not a while ago or what the ritual is
thanks.....
Very interesting, these are the results I wanted ! I like to hear what people have to say about it now, not a while ago or what the ritual is
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Original post: Skeptismo118
I'll toss a bit in on here.
A few years ago while in Olduvai Gorge I was made to take an anti-Malaria drug that causes the threshold between the subconscious and the conscious to get a little bit narrowed. A sort time before I had headed out some reports started to come out that some of the Special Forces members who had served in Afghanistan and who were on the same drug had been involved in a series of murder-suicindes of their famlies. I figured this was at least in part because of this narrowing of their threshold and the fact that most of them came home from a war-zone with no period of decompression and debriefing. None the less I decided I could use something to help keep both subconscious and conscious coherent through this period and to also open certain doorways of communication at the same time.
So I decided in using the Stele of Jeu rite which formed the basis for the Bornless Rite of the Golden Dawn system and Crowley's reformation of the same for the A.'.A.'. Since the original Rite was designed to bring about the slow unfolding of one's divinity and seems to have a record of sucess for people in geologically violitile areas I figured this one was a lock. For the entire time I was on the anti-Malaria drug, both before and after being in Africa I was performing the Rite in one form or another, save for one night on the Serengeti when I performed one of the Invocations of Arkte from the PGM.
The process set in motion by that decision is still unfolding, but I'll give you a few hints on how best to use this sort of thing. The dictum from Abramelin, "Invoke Often," holds especially true in relation to this Rite. It is not geared towards a single moment or flash of revelation but the slow unfolding of your being. You'll learn a great deal about the Rite, and its later GD spawn, by doing the necessary analaysis of the Vox Magica used in the rite (Stephen Flowers' _Hermetic Magic_ will give you the necessary Key for doing that). The original German translators were probably correct in associating the Rite with the Hellenic period understanding of Set, and one of that cults offshoots/survivals, the Sethian Gnositcs, will have more then a few things to teach you once you've undergone its process, as will some of the Nilotic groups which also exhibit certain Setian characteristics.
As far as your own use of the Rite goes, good luck, have fun and keep good notes. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
I'll toss a bit in on here.
A few years ago while in Olduvai Gorge I was made to take an anti-Malaria drug that causes the threshold between the subconscious and the conscious to get a little bit narrowed. A sort time before I had headed out some reports started to come out that some of the Special Forces members who had served in Afghanistan and who were on the same drug had been involved in a series of murder-suicindes of their famlies. I figured this was at least in part because of this narrowing of their threshold and the fact that most of them came home from a war-zone with no period of decompression and debriefing. None the less I decided I could use something to help keep both subconscious and conscious coherent through this period and to also open certain doorways of communication at the same time.
So I decided in using the Stele of Jeu rite which formed the basis for the Bornless Rite of the Golden Dawn system and Crowley's reformation of the same for the A.'.A.'. Since the original Rite was designed to bring about the slow unfolding of one's divinity and seems to have a record of sucess for people in geologically violitile areas I figured this one was a lock. For the entire time I was on the anti-Malaria drug, both before and after being in Africa I was performing the Rite in one form or another, save for one night on the Serengeti when I performed one of the Invocations of Arkte from the PGM.
The process set in motion by that decision is still unfolding, but I'll give you a few hints on how best to use this sort of thing. The dictum from Abramelin, "Invoke Often," holds especially true in relation to this Rite. It is not geared towards a single moment or flash of revelation but the slow unfolding of your being. You'll learn a great deal about the Rite, and its later GD spawn, by doing the necessary analaysis of the Vox Magica used in the rite (Stephen Flowers' _Hermetic Magic_ will give you the necessary Key for doing that). The original German translators were probably correct in associating the Rite with the Hellenic period understanding of Set, and one of that cults offshoots/survivals, the Sethian Gnositcs, will have more then a few things to teach you once you've undergone its process, as will some of the Nilotic groups which also exhibit certain Setian characteristics.
As far as your own use of the Rite goes, good luck, have fun and keep good notes. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
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Original post: Leviathan
[QUOTE=Nero]Additionally I would like to say I am working on a theory that Liber Resh and Liber Samekh have much more in common than most people realize.[/QUOTE]
The Central Sun?
[QUOTE=Nero]Additionally I would like to say I am working on a theory that Liber Resh and Liber Samekh have much more in common than most people realize.[/QUOTE]
The Central Sun?
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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) I found that performing the Bornless Ritual four times daily (after Resh) engendered exponential results.
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I very much agree - in my own magickal "retirement" (read: a week off work to practice magickThe dictum from Abramelin, "Invoke Often," holds especially true in relation to this Rite
) I found that performing the Bornless Ritual four times daily (after Resh) engendered exponential results.93 93/93
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Original post: Leviathan
Eventually, as you progress-you'll find that you need to Invoke less often, that you will Become the Operation in its entirety.
Eventually, as you progress-you'll find that you need to Invoke less often, that you will Become the Operation in its entirety.
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Original post: Skeptismo118
Sure, but most people kid themselves that they are there decades before they are. Then the "magic of my own being" becomes little more then an excuse to do nothing and claim it profound.
Which is just fine by me. Keeps them off the roads.
Sure, but most people kid themselves that they are there decades before they are. Then the "magic of my own being" becomes little more then an excuse to do nothing and claim it profound.
Which is just fine by me. Keeps them off the roads.
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Original post: Nero
[QUOTE=Leviathan]The Central Sun?[/QUOTE]Yes.... or partly.....
It is still an idea I am working on and I have not even come close to working the details out yet but I will show you my train of thought.
Liber Resh and Liber Samekh were both created by the same man and for the same long term purpose I believe. That purpose leads us to abramelin and the HGA.
The abramelin operation has many aspects of a solar working or even solar worship. The seat of the higherself or the HGA is said to reside in Tiphareth. That this is the door way and the meeting place for the HGA.
Crowley understood that the abramelin operation could be adapted to to current conditions. That not everyone had the luxery to take a few months of prayer and fasting at the expense of working. So if you cannot do six solid months of intense spiritual seeking, then it would have to be stretched out for a much longer period of time.
In the abramelin you are given four major familers to protect you through out the day. The first comes on at dawn, the next at noon, the next at sun down, and the last at midnight. This follows the rotation of the Sun and reflects the four quadrants of east to dawn, etc. This leads many people into believing they are directional and elemental in nature. I believe that they are likely the four Kerbem angels.
So we have the solar worship, the four directions which symbolize the course of the sun and the four elements and two rituals created by the same man. Just a few thoughts......
[QUOTE=Leviathan]The Central Sun?[/QUOTE]Yes.... or partly.....
It is still an idea I am working on and I have not even come close to working the details out yet but I will show you my train of thought.
Liber Resh and Liber Samekh were both created by the same man and for the same long term purpose I believe. That purpose leads us to abramelin and the HGA.
The abramelin operation has many aspects of a solar working or even solar worship. The seat of the higherself or the HGA is said to reside in Tiphareth. That this is the door way and the meeting place for the HGA.
Crowley understood that the abramelin operation could be adapted to to current conditions. That not everyone had the luxery to take a few months of prayer and fasting at the expense of working. So if you cannot do six solid months of intense spiritual seeking, then it would have to be stretched out for a much longer period of time.
In the abramelin you are given four major familers to protect you through out the day. The first comes on at dawn, the next at noon, the next at sun down, and the last at midnight. This follows the rotation of the Sun and reflects the four quadrants of east to dawn, etc. This leads many people into believing they are directional and elemental in nature. I believe that they are likely the four Kerbem angels.
So we have the solar worship, the four directions which symbolize the course of the sun and the four elements and two rituals created by the same man. Just a few thoughts......
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Original post: daxyl
Does a recording of AC performing Liber Samekh exist?
Does a recording of AC performing Liber Samekh exist?
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Original post: Leviathan
To our knowledge; No.
Supposedly, the only recordings of A.C. in existence are those of The Great Beast Speaks album distributed by David Tibet of Current 93, who listed 418 of a Limited Edition to those who purchased his album.
But, you may download these various recordings if you have access to a filesharing network.
To our knowledge; No.
Supposedly, the only recordings of A.C. in existence are those of The Great Beast Speaks album distributed by David Tibet of Current 93, who listed 418 of a Limited Edition to those who purchased his album.
But, you may download these various recordings if you have access to a filesharing network.
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I've found that the shortened version in New Avatar Power is great for that power up described above, but there's really no substitute for the Golden Dawn version. I've seen reworked versions in The Temple of High Witchcraft, but for me the original is more powerful and beautiful.
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