Help with Goetia please

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

BTW, I don't agree that electrical fluid is chi. IMHO, chi corresponds to Bardon's vital fluid (the goldish white one). But actually it is not relevant to the discussion, since all those fluids supposedly are affected by the fluid condensers anyhow.

Okay but don't look at me! I don't differentiate between different types of energy very much so if you listen to me you will be very misguided in that respect.

LadyHydralisk, what methods do you use for evocation? Do you do evocations by yourself? How do you percieve the spirits? Do you have some suggestions for attracting the demon?

The methods I use are mostly Solomonic and slightly Bardonian system along with traditional Lakota methods. I do not usually evocate by myself. I percieve the spirits through my third eye. Attracting demons isn't really what I do. I order them to show up. If I wanted to just attract demons, I might start slaughtering my neighbors or host an orgy at my house. But generally I avoid that.

I always summon demons at night.

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Original post: Ekron

Here is one supplier of Collodial Gold.

http://www.theoxygenshop.com/product.asp?CatID=107&ProdID=476

I would think for the purpose of making a fluid condenser you could make your own by filing some unwanted piece of gold jewellery into an oil (you wouldn't need much, a single chain link would be ample). You would then have a suspension of gold which is basically what a colloid is.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

I used this site http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesogold.htm

Oh if you want to make it yourself, instead of just filing off the gold, you might want to instead superheat the gold over a flame and then douse it in some cold water, repeatedly this will oxidize the metal and create a superior colloid. You probably want some of the gold to find it's way onto the surface of whatever it is you're trying to enchant. It's more expensive if you use large chunks of gold, even specks of filings, which will be too heavy and settle at the bottom anyways

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Original post: Ekron

LadyHydralisk I would think a fluid condenser would be more effective if one used pure metallic gold in suspension rather then an oxide of gold. Gold is also difficult to oxidise. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

mmmm I don't know, Bardon reccomends oxidization if a true colloid or gold chloride is not available

sorry i couldn't be more help

but hey if you do blow a wad of dough on the true colloid, you can use what you don't need for magic as a daily supplement for your body. works magic on your health. most diets are woefully deficient in this essential mineral.

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Original post: MaeveQ

Thanks. I'll see what I can do. Since I dont have a lot of time I might not be able to get the colloid. But I do should be able to obtain the herb tincture. At least that should so something. Next time will be better I can feel it

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Oh good, confidence

Well if you lived next door I would spot you a coupla tablespoons ah well

I think even a little piece of gold suspended in the liquid would be better than nothing.

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Original post: MaeveQ

Oh ok. I failed again. But I tried to do the evocation during the day. And there was distractions and noise. Also I had this funny feeling in me. So I didnt continue for long. Why the hell the spirits dont come quickly when I even order them to :p ?

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

I absolutely cannot evocate under circumstances where I have distraction. In fact, if my cats are yowling at the door, or if one little thing goes wrong, I call the whole thing off.

How far along into the evocation did you go?

Please tell me you banished :}

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Original post: MaeveQ

lol yes I did perform a LBRP. I pretty much did everything. Stopped after reading the conjurations a few times. Waited for a while. Then got a little pissed off. And did the LBRP

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

What equipment are you using to aid in your performance?

Also, the demon only appears before god, and no one else. They will not appear before a mortal. This makes sense to you, yes?

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Original post: MaeveQ

Circle and triangle. A robe, a regular dagger, a bigger sword like dagger, a magick mirror, incense, the herbs that spirit likes, a few candles for lighting, a feather, a wand. They are not too fancy or anything, mostly self made too but I like them. I also sometimes represent the elements in the circle with other things.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

Hard to say without being in the room. It could be your sight is not developed. It could be you are not in the right mindset. Hard to say. How do you feel before you perform the call to the demon and unlock the door to their realm with the sigil? Do you feel like you could blast a few galaxies into oblivion?!?! :twisted: Or perhaps if that's not your style, do you feel like thou art the one who hath created the heavens and the earth, thou who oversees the flight of the thunderbirds in the sky, thou who guides the very planets upon their course through the heavens? or if that's not your style, do you feel like an unholy self intoxicated fool, do you feel like wiley coyote, who can be killed a thousand times yet never dies?!

so....?

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Original post: MaeveQ

Actually I think it may be because of the mindset. Since I am doing this to resolve a problem, it comes and goes. I am enflamed with my desire and everything but I get this butterflyie feeling in my stomach. At first I was a bit scared. Now that's gone but still there are some wierd feelings. I sometimes even feel like I'm being rude commanding the spirit. Sometimes I get angry at the spirit for not coming.
Maybe it's my sight but I think the spirit can overcome the evokers lack of skill with its own. No change in room or voices as well.

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

You could try repeated application of the bornless incantation. Without evocating. You don't feel rude, because...the demon owes its very existance to you. To respond the call of its creator is an honor. You're not scared because you are infinitely more powerful and free. You're not angry because you're infinitely merciful. Well not to say there isn't a time for anger, there is, but it's never unjust, and one never rages as demons do.

But it's important to note, they will never respond to anyone except the call of the divine source.

hey it's not called occult for nothing

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Original post: Grab

I have a different problem. I can evoke these guys no matter how I feel. Sometimes I feel like the Creator himself no less, sometimes I just feel like a self-possessed asshole who wants to tease demons. I could probably do it while doing jumping-jacks! Everything seems to work fine no matter what mood I'm in. That contradicts your experience, Lady.

However, it's very rarely that my wishes manifest. Or perhaps they do, but in ways that are just too impossible for me to perceive...

So in one sense I am incredibly successful with my evocations, and in another sense I'm a complete disaster.

/Grab

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Original post: LadyHydralisk

sounds like a trickster to me....

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Original post: Grab

who? me? :lol:

But seriously, what do you mean?

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Original post: MaeveQ

Is this thing about days other than 2,4,6...14 days of moon not being profitable true?? Or is it like one of the other exaggerations?

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Original post: Overflowed_Buffer

I assume you're refering to either a grimoire or a post from earlier on this thread. I don't want to look on this thread so I'll assume it is the former. This is just my opinion. While the astrological influences are not necessary to take into consideration while preparing for an evocation, they could possibly aid you further in evocation.