Original post: MuRdeR
If someone went in a circle attack situation and his/her circle didnt hold the demon off, How can he/she fight the spirit back!
The thing that crosses my mind at this time is the LBRP .. ** I cant imagine someone under attack by some demon to tell him " Hold up Mr. Demon .. I wanna try something ( LBRP ) " and start with the qabalistic crosss, vibrations, etc.. which would take atleast 5 minutes!~ I guess by that time the summoner would be gone to a different world of suffer and pain and probably death!!
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Experience will give unto Thee thy obvious answer - the pentagram! Besides, the demon cannot attack the circle without first breaking the triangle.
Experience will give unto Thee thy obvious answer - the pentagram! Besides, the demon cannot attack the circle without first breaking the triangle.
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Original post: Frater Manjet
Before the evokation ever takes place your LBRP/SBRP/BRH etc... would have already been done. In this case I would say that if you doubt the potency of your circle that doing another LBRP is pointless as the same doubts you have would only manifest in subsequent performances.
If you doubt the validty or potency of your circle in any way I would NOT proceed with such evokations.
I will also add that thinking of LBRP purely in this manner is missing almost completely it's point.
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Before the evokation ever takes place your LBRP/SBRP/BRH etc... would have already been done. In this case I would say that if you doubt the potency of your circle that doing another LBRP is pointless as the same doubts you have would only manifest in subsequent performances.
If you doubt the validty or potency of your circle in any way I would NOT proceed with such evokations.
I will also add that thinking of LBRP purely in this manner is missing almost completely it's point.
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Original post: Qryztufre
I'm not that far in my studies, so take my advice with a grain of salt...
When I get far enough I plan on not only knowing the LBRP, I plan of have 2 or 3 additiona banishing under my belt as well as any other precaution I can happen across. I'd certainly prefer to be overly prepared then under.
I posted a thread awhile back with two Necronomicon type banishings, and I've heard that the lords prayer can work wonders if it's backed up with faith (though, a babylonian banishing might not fend off the more christian type demons, as the more christian type banishings seem to have little effect on the Nec entities).
If you doubt your skills (your ritual, circle, whatever) then I'd check out the talking points thread on Knowing Magic. You might also be able to gleen a bit of information from the 'dangers of evokation'. I'm sure there are other threads that can give a bit more insight...but I've had a long day...and don't feel like searching fer any more
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I am interested in what others have to say on this topic as well, as, like I said, I'm new...but should be more familiar with things very soon (I just picked up a few new books from the library).
Good luck, and I hope I helped at least a little.
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I'm not that far in my studies, so take my advice with a grain of salt...
When I get far enough I plan on not only knowing the LBRP, I plan of have 2 or 3 additiona banishing under my belt as well as any other precaution I can happen across. I'd certainly prefer to be overly prepared then under.
I posted a thread awhile back with two Necronomicon type banishings, and I've heard that the lords prayer can work wonders if it's backed up with faith (though, a babylonian banishing might not fend off the more christian type demons, as the more christian type banishings seem to have little effect on the Nec entities).
If you doubt your skills (your ritual, circle, whatever) then I'd check out the talking points thread on Knowing Magic. You might also be able to gleen a bit of information from the 'dangers of evokation'. I'm sure there are other threads that can give a bit more insight...but I've had a long day...and don't feel like searching fer any more
.I am interested in what others have to say on this topic as well, as, like I said, I'm new...but should be more familiar with things very soon (I just picked up a few new books from the library).
Good luck, and I hope I helped at least a little.
Q
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Original post: Radiant Star
If you are into summoning, then I would think that you would choose the banishing according to your requirements (ie: Enochian for Enochian) and in any case I would not summon until you were absolutely confident about what your circle is for you and means to you and having seen that it works. My circle was tested when I first started using it and I was just not ready to summon.
If you are doing the LBRP, then you should understand all of its parts and what they do and why.
Within the circle, you will meet the unseen and they may offer to help if you have an emergency. It happens. Very useful if you wake in the night to a little 'visit'.
Speaking for myself, the LBRP is not just a little ritual that I happen to do before a summoning; for me it is a part of my life and indeed my circle is a part of me. It is where I go daily and where I sort out a lot of dross and find the way forward.
Rays
PS: Thanks to entities and Archangels for love and help given. Le olam.
If you are into summoning, then I would think that you would choose the banishing according to your requirements (ie: Enochian for Enochian) and in any case I would not summon until you were absolutely confident about what your circle is for you and means to you and having seen that it works. My circle was tested when I first started using it and I was just not ready to summon.
If you are doing the LBRP, then you should understand all of its parts and what they do and why.
Within the circle, you will meet the unseen and they may offer to help if you have an emergency. It happens. Very useful if you wake in the night to a little 'visit'.
Speaking for myself, the LBRP is not just a little ritual that I happen to do before a summoning; for me it is a part of my life and indeed my circle is a part of me. It is where I go daily and where I sort out a lot of dross and find the way forward.
Rays
PS: Thanks to entities and Archangels for love and help given. Le olam.
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Original post: Ekron
Believe in thyself and that you are of God....nothing will 'break' you.
Believe in thyself and that you are of God....nothing will 'break' you.
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Original post: Grey Magician
Ok i don't think the question is being answered all the way. So here is my attempt to answer it.
If the triangle or circle is broken, the tool you are using to summon the entity, then i suggest you do a immeditate banishing spell. Now the lbrp probably wouldn't come into mind because i don't think it would fit that particular situation but a banishing spell none the less. Call upon the elements to banish the entity. Simply by using your voice, say whatever you choose but call on them to banish this spirit. Personally if i was in that situation i would grab my wand and immeditately draw the banishing pentagram in the air, kind of a shield. I don't think it would be able to get past that. If no wand then you can visualize it or draw it with your hand. Plus if it is on this plane, corporeal or not, it is still surrounded by energy. So maybe a blast of energy or a spell for the energy around the spirit to harden so the spirit will be stuck where he is. THere are numerous things i can think of but there was just a few. IF you want anymore i can provide more.
Sincerely,
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Ok i don't think the question is being answered all the way. So here is my attempt to answer it.
If the triangle or circle is broken, the tool you are using to summon the entity, then i suggest you do a immeditate banishing spell. Now the lbrp probably wouldn't come into mind because i don't think it would fit that particular situation but a banishing spell none the less. Call upon the elements to banish the entity. Simply by using your voice, say whatever you choose but call on them to banish this spirit. Personally if i was in that situation i would grab my wand and immeditately draw the banishing pentagram in the air, kind of a shield. I don't think it would be able to get past that. If no wand then you can visualize it or draw it with your hand. Plus if it is on this plane, corporeal or not, it is still surrounded by energy. So maybe a blast of energy or a spell for the energy around the spirit to harden so the spirit will be stuck where he is. THere are numerous things i can think of but there was just a few. IF you want anymore i can provide more.
Sincerely,
GM
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
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I would agree with most of GM's summation - especially after an occurence the other night! I was in the middle of a rather nasty nightmare, being harrassed by all sorts of nasty entities (I would classify them as demonic). I was confused, scared and on the verge of panic...when suddenly my dream became lucid. I stood up amongst the confusion, drew an earth-banishing pentagram and literally screamed "In the name of the most Holy God, I command you to depart and bother me no more!" I woke up instantly, and have been troubled no more since then. Strange, no?
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I would agree with most of GM's summation - especially after an occurence the other night! I was in the middle of a rather nasty nightmare, being harrassed by all sorts of nasty entities (I would classify them as demonic). I was confused, scared and on the verge of panic...when suddenly my dream became lucid. I stood up amongst the confusion, drew an earth-banishing pentagram and literally screamed "In the name of the most Holy God, I command you to depart and bother me no more!" I woke up instantly, and have been troubled no more since then. Strange, no?
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Original post: Grab
That's what I was screaming to my trouble-making ex girlfriend! And it worked, she's gone! Oh, the power of Tetragrammaton! :lol:
On a more serious note, I would say that I frequently dream about doing rituals... it's pretty wacky, especially in one dream where the evoked DEMON told me to stand back because he would continue the ritual himself!
That's what I was screaming to my trouble-making ex girlfriend! And it worked, she's gone! Oh, the power of Tetragrammaton! :lol:
On a more serious note, I would say that I frequently dream about doing rituals... it's pretty wacky, especially in one dream where the evoked DEMON told me to stand back because he would continue the ritual himself!
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Original post: babyalien
if this entity is dangerious or powerful, then if it (breaks your circle) then it could or would(break you). If I was you, I would look at the history regrading this issue, how many entitys eat there magicians. lol
also personally for your instant armour...thee visualize a sword, and thee either fight the entity or cut thy fresher circle or draw a metal wall!
if this entity is dangerious or powerful, then if it (breaks your circle) then it could or would(break you). If I was you, I would look at the history regrading this issue, how many entitys eat there magicians. lol
also personally for your instant armour...thee visualize a sword, and thee either fight the entity or cut thy fresher circle or draw a metal wall!
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Original post: MuRdeR
That was smart Grey Magician and babyalien ... Thanks for answering everyone :razz:
That was smart Grey Magician and babyalien ... Thanks for answering everyone :razz:
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Original post: Grey Magician
Yup no prob, need any other advice, im here most of the day.
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Yup no prob, need any other advice, im here most of the day.
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Original post: I AM
Hey MuRdeR!
While I am a little confused by your question I will attempt answer it. First, the LBRP creates the Circle so doing another LBRP while the Demon is breaking it is redundant. However, if you meant that you created a Circle in some other way and after the Demon broke the Circle then did the LBRP that might work but you will not have the time to do the ritual. Your analysis of the amount of time is correct and the entity will NOT give you the time to do the LBRP.
In these cases you can fall back on the Grimoires. Fiat-lux-777 hit the nail on the head with his COMMAND "In the name of the most Holy God, I command you to depart and bother me no more!". This is in accordance with what some of the Grimoires suggest and it IS effective. The effective part of this is two-fold. First you are COMMANDING. Second, it is in the Name of God. This does not mean that you have to be religious...you do not. If you understand that YOU are a God and command in that fashion then the entity will respond.
Additionally, if one understands that THEY are the Circle, then it cannot be broken. One should also understand that they are also the BANISHING. Visualize a Banishing wave going out from WITHIN you in all directions. See this wave as a solid force that removes ALL in its path. If you have seen pictures of a nuclear weapon going off and the blast wave that is created...your wave should look like this. This has been effective for me and may be for you as well.
The suggestion of Armor works fine in the Astral but may NOT be as effective against a Goetic entity. At least this has been my experience.
You can also take the approach that I took when I first started and things went wrong...I called to every God I had ever heard of and begged. Begging is good. A good Magickian is a humble one and needs to know when they are over their head.
I hope some of this answer helps.
Humbly, I AM
Hey MuRdeR!
While I am a little confused by your question I will attempt answer it. First, the LBRP creates the Circle so doing another LBRP while the Demon is breaking it is redundant. However, if you meant that you created a Circle in some other way and after the Demon broke the Circle then did the LBRP that might work but you will not have the time to do the ritual. Your analysis of the amount of time is correct and the entity will NOT give you the time to do the LBRP.
In these cases you can fall back on the Grimoires. Fiat-lux-777 hit the nail on the head with his COMMAND "In the name of the most Holy God, I command you to depart and bother me no more!". This is in accordance with what some of the Grimoires suggest and it IS effective. The effective part of this is two-fold. First you are COMMANDING. Second, it is in the Name of God. This does not mean that you have to be religious...you do not. If you understand that YOU are a God and command in that fashion then the entity will respond.
Additionally, if one understands that THEY are the Circle, then it cannot be broken. One should also understand that they are also the BANISHING. Visualize a Banishing wave going out from WITHIN you in all directions. See this wave as a solid force that removes ALL in its path. If you have seen pictures of a nuclear weapon going off and the blast wave that is created...your wave should look like this. This has been effective for me and may be for you as well.
The suggestion of Armor works fine in the Astral but may NOT be as effective against a Goetic entity. At least this has been my experience.
You can also take the approach that I took when I first started and things went wrong...I called to every God I had ever heard of and begged. Begging is good. A good Magickian is a humble one and needs to know when they are over their head.
I hope some of this answer helps.
Humbly, I AM