Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
This is just a thought: can you invoke your HGA without going through six long months of prepping to evoke him/her? Am I just an Idiot missing the point? If so, enlighten me!
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Original post: kirk88
Your not going to accomplish the contact with your holy guardian angel within a day, so get to it because it's going to be hard work.
Your not going to accomplish the contact with your holy guardian angel within a day, so get to it because it's going to be hard work.
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Original post: Nero
Gaining open exchange with your higher self takes awhile and a lot of energy. The HGA is a completly different animal but time is always a factor.
Ben Rowe and Crowley have lots of writings about contacting your HGA, as well as others. Try looking into their works.
Gaining open exchange with your higher self takes awhile and a lot of energy. The HGA is a completly different animal but time is always a factor.
Ben Rowe and Crowley have lots of writings about contacting your HGA, as well as others. Try looking into their works.
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
I figured the first three or four people would say this. Maybe the question wasn't clear. Is the process in Liber Samekh or the abramelin or any modern version the ONLY WAY? If I can Invoke godforms at will why can't i contact my HGA? I just mean as a means of communication. Perhaps my HGA knows a better method for ME. I'm trying to ask is the Abramelin and his like way the only way you can possibly speak to your HGA? Not attain, speak to.
I figured the first three or four people would say this. Maybe the question wasn't clear. Is the process in Liber Samekh or the abramelin or any modern version the ONLY WAY? If I can Invoke godforms at will why can't i contact my HGA? I just mean as a means of communication. Perhaps my HGA knows a better method for ME. I'm trying to ask is the Abramelin and his like way the only way you can possibly speak to your HGA? Not attain, speak to.
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Original post: T~Gothe
No, those aren't the only ways. They are merely ways of doing so that have been used many times and have been shown to be effective in accomplishing their goal.
Because godforms are a far cry from the HGA in terms of the depths at which they lie in the psyche/the aether/whatever suits your reality tunnel, IMO.
No, those aren't the only ways. They are merely ways of doing so that have been used many times and have been shown to be effective in accomplishing their goal.
If I can Invoke godforms at will why can't i contact my HGA?
Because godforms are a far cry from the HGA in terms of the depths at which they lie in the psyche/the aether/whatever suits your reality tunnel, IMO.
No doubt. You should ask them yourself, though. Just because one doesen't have the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Gaurdian Angel doesen't mean the HGA won't give you some subtle pointers in the right direction, you just have to listen closely enough.Perhaps my HGA knows a better method for ME.
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
Thanks T thats what I was trying to ask. Just making sure if I embark on this that I do it right. Right for me.
Thanks T thats what I was trying to ask. Just making sure if I embark on this that I do it right. Right for me.
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Original post: T~Gothe
You're very welcome, however, I would journey to say that the whole "six months" business is not without reason. It's not some random amount of time that a few people thought sounded good to them, needless to say. I'll leave it up to you to examine why this might be, but I would at least try to see why they might think such a relatively short amount of time (considering the task) was appropriate.
You're very welcome, however, I would journey to say that the whole "six months" business is not without reason. It's not some random amount of time that a few people thought sounded good to them, needless to say. I'll leave it up to you to examine why this might be, but I would at least try to see why they might think such a relatively short amount of time (considering the task) was appropriate.
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
I hear what your saying. We all want the shortcut, huh? But I've been practicing long enough to know better. I'm no Crowley but I've been around the block and I KNOW anything worthwhile does not come any other way then hard work. What I was trying to say is maybe my HGA would have me undergo a process that takes nine months! (whew) I would want to do it RIGHT. Not abramelin right, just right. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in this forum own up to having accomplished this. Perhaps its too lofty a claim. I suppose I wouldn't tell anyone either. What for? But This is a part of the great work one way or another. We are ALL here to find our higher self, IMHO. Whether in magick, religion art or science ect...
I hear what your saying. We all want the shortcut, huh? But I've been practicing long enough to know better. I'm no Crowley but I've been around the block and I KNOW anything worthwhile does not come any other way then hard work. What I was trying to say is maybe my HGA would have me undergo a process that takes nine months! (whew) I would want to do it RIGHT. Not abramelin right, just right. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in this forum own up to having accomplished this. Perhaps its too lofty a claim. I suppose I wouldn't tell anyone either. What for? But This is a part of the great work one way or another. We are ALL here to find our higher self, IMHO. Whether in magick, religion art or science ect...
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Original post: kirk88
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll post another way to converse with the HGA for you.
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll post it tomorrow since I'm tired and all...
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll post another way to converse with the HGA for you.
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll post it tomorrow since I'm tired and all...
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Original post: Gryzlgreedigutt
you da man Kirk
you da man Kirk
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Original post: Lovemagus
Personally it took me 6 years to to come into contact with my HGA...and that was through an arduous journey...It really isn't about a time frame it is about a process depending on one's spiritual evolution...the HGA WILL come to you and it is something that occurs through what I term alchemically the infernal illumination process...it is the assessment of the Sataniym, Shediym and Saairiym and their work in your life....respectively: Aries/Scorpio, Moon, and Capricorn. I believed I have attained that perfect feeling of knowing where I am going...but evocation of the HGA is another matter...it is when you love the work that you don't worry about the timeframe...hence I call myself lovemagus, or the love of magick, or the magician of love, the law -- I am still trying to learn how to evoke.
David
Personally it took me 6 years to to come into contact with my HGA...and that was through an arduous journey...It really isn't about a time frame it is about a process depending on one's spiritual evolution...the HGA WILL come to you and it is something that occurs through what I term alchemically the infernal illumination process...it is the assessment of the Sataniym, Shediym and Saairiym and their work in your life....respectively: Aries/Scorpio, Moon, and Capricorn. I believed I have attained that perfect feeling of knowing where I am going...but evocation of the HGA is another matter...it is when you love the work that you don't worry about the timeframe...hence I call myself lovemagus, or the love of magick, or the magician of love, the law -- I am still trying to learn how to evoke.
David
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Original post: fiat_lux_777
[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]This is just a thought: can you invoke your HGA without going through six long months of prepping to evoke him/her? Am I just an Idiot missing the point? If so, enlighten me![/QUOTE]
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IMO the Invocation of the HGA is a gradual process that requires single-minded dedication. The means of accomplishing this task are as many as the individuals undertaking it - there is no *one* way. I am sure for some gifted individuals the process is rather expedient, but for most of us it is a long, drawn-out process where the results often seem to be elusive until a certain peak is reached.
I think this link was posted on OF recently - a great article -
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/ess_hga.html
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[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]This is just a thought: can you invoke your HGA without going through six long months of prepping to evoke him/her? Am I just an Idiot missing the point? If so, enlighten me![/QUOTE]
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IMO the Invocation of the HGA is a gradual process that requires single-minded dedication. The means of accomplishing this task are as many as the individuals undertaking it - there is no *one* way. I am sure for some gifted individuals the process is rather expedient, but for most of us it is a long, drawn-out process where the results often seem to be elusive until a certain peak is reached.
I think this link was posted on OF recently - a great article -
http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/ess_hga.html
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Original post: Caradoc
[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Perhaps my HGA knows a better method for ME. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=T~Gothe]No doubt. You should ask them yourself, though. Just because one doesen't have the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Gaurdian Angel doesn't mean the HGA won't give you some subtle pointers in the right direction, you just have to listen closely enough.[/QUOTE]
I can say from personal experience that this is indeed the case. In my situation though, this contact wasn't initiated by myself so I can't speak to performing evocations or invocations of the HGA, 'he' came to me.
[QUOTE=Gryzlgreedigutt]Perhaps my HGA knows a better method for ME. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=T~Gothe]No doubt. You should ask them yourself, though. Just because one doesen't have the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Gaurdian Angel doesn't mean the HGA won't give you some subtle pointers in the right direction, you just have to listen closely enough.[/QUOTE]
I can say from personal experience that this is indeed the case. In my situation though, this contact wasn't initiated by myself so I can't speak to performing evocations or invocations of the HGA, 'he' came to me.
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Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum
In some systems, I believe, the magickal task/wonder/power of Malkuth, 1=9, is the vision of the HGA. To quote Bonner Qabalah: A Magickal Primer:
In some systems, I believe, the magickal task/wonder/power of Malkuth, 1=9, is the vision of the HGA. To quote Bonner Qabalah: A Magickal Primer:
The power of Malkuth , however, should in no ways be confused with that of the 6th Sephirah. In Malkuth, the work is prepatory to Tipareth's achievement; a foreshadowing of the full experience, being an increasing awareness of the presence of the angel, but with out the possibility of genuine communication.
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Original post: kirk88
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll just p.m. you the ritual...
Gryzlgreedigutt, I'll just p.m. you the ritual...
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Original post: visceral/spagyrical
I read the Hine essay. I find it very interesting that the HGA appeared in the form of a seraph, especially since St. Francis of Assisi received the stigmata from a seraph.
I wonder what other names have been given to the HGA throughout history and what other forms the HGA has taken on.
Maybe more of us have met our HGA than we realize.
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I read the Hine essay. I find it very interesting that the HGA appeared in the form of a seraph, especially since St. Francis of Assisi received the stigmata from a seraph.
I wonder what other names have been given to the HGA throughout history and what other forms the HGA has taken on.
Maybe more of us have met our HGA than we realize.
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Original post: Fr. Qim
Read "21st Century Mage" by Jason Augustus Newcomb. Its an indepth look into modern methods of acheiving the Abra-Melin experience
Read "21st Century Mage" by Jason Augustus Newcomb. Its an indepth look into modern methods of acheiving the Abra-Melin experience
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Original post: Nalyd23
Well I am of the opinion that you may, if you just go about your business and get on with life and forget about it, chance upon your Holy Guardian Angel casually one afternoon when you least expect it. Kind of the same way you meet that special someone you fall head over heels in love with. IMO, you may set a up an opportunity for self-deception otherwise. This may be the best way to go about it, but that's just me.
EDIT : And Todd, I posted that article. Glad some around appreciate my contributions.
Well I am of the opinion that you may, if you just go about your business and get on with life and forget about it, chance upon your Holy Guardian Angel casually one afternoon when you least expect it. Kind of the same way you meet that special someone you fall head over heels in love with. IMO, you may set a up an opportunity for self-deception otherwise. This may be the best way to go about it, but that's just me.
EDIT : And Todd, I posted that article. Glad some around appreciate my contributions.