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Original post: Manifesto

I know....I know.... "Drugs weakings one arua field"

I think this is tru, because I often find myself sleeping alot and not really "energetic" but this also can be contributed to my astrological sign (Gemini :) *best sign in the known universe*)

But i was reading the following link http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-10994.html and the guy speaks about inducing astral projection from laughing gas.

Now the reason i ask is marijuana usable in astral projection is because when ever I smoke it it relaxes me alot, and puts my state of mind into a very blissful one. When ever im high off of marijuana sleep is something equatible to the best feeling in the world lol.

I usually have a ton of dreams, not lucid but most i can remember. (which reminds me I need to keep a dream log)

Now, is it "safe" and possible to (after smoking a "bob") sit in a chair, meditate and project ?

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Well, the reason why I quit smoking it was that it interfered with my training and abilities. Heh, both from taking up time and from it's effects. Although my methods are generally (especially at the time I quit) to directly effect the situation with my will.

It depends on the person though I assume. Although I'm so good now that I can do stuff while half drunk :D sooo I donno... probably my germanic and irish blood ;)

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I moved this thread.

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Since I quit smoking grass my meditation is 500% better, I sleep more soundly, and my sleep apnea is less pronounced. That being said, there have been moments in the past when, having smoked potent grass, I felt much more aware of a division between what I would call the astral self and the physical body. However, it is entirely unclear whether that was simply garbled sensory data or something more. I am definitely in a place right now where I feel that spiritual pursuits are more focused and productive without intoxication.

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If you seriously approach the use of pot and astral travel it will work. If you only use it for shits and giggles well you can't expect much more than just garbaled sensory data. Treat it like a serious instrument and it will work like one. Now I speak purely out of accedemics and personal uses but you can use pot for spiritual experiments. The THC supresses neurons from firing (much different than depriving them of oxygen) and this leads to a relaxed and altered state of mind. If the intensity of the high prevents you from focusing enough to project but you are serious about using it get such results try this: Create incense cones (or just burn it in a cualdron or even light a joint and let it burn like an incense stick) out the mj and brun it in a fairly air tight area. Basically hot box your room but don't actually smoke any of it. The contact high should be relaxing enough to aid in astral travel and divination.

Some percautions to take would be to practice and learn how to visualize without pot first. Condition the mind to carry out the tasks of visualization and meditation ect ect so that you are not reliant on drugs to get results. Then use pot or what ever psychedelic you use, in sparing moderation. To use often is to ware down the conditioning you've programmed into yourself by practicing your craft. Once you gain a high enough tollerance it won't work and can even be counter productive to your magick, especially if you're already out of practice without getting aid. Never use the occult as an excuse to get high. If you don't treat the drug as a magickal tool it will not work and destroy your work.

I think of drugs as training wheels. They make it easier to ride the bike yet if you ever want to ride completely free you do without them. Drugs may make it easier to get visuals or relax but the greatest goals acheivable through magick are accomplished with a mind capable of functioning without training wheels.

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Well... I was going on 2 months without toke'n, but I fell of the wagon this past weekend :doh: but if there is one thing I noticed is that smoking opens something and I try to keep it open as long as possible. I guess that's why they say Cannabis is a mental addiction and not a physical one.

But to answer your question... last year, I found myself scared shitless from a 'peek into hell' if you will. I started going to church and praying alot. I was smoking really good kind buds at the time and right before I went off to sleep, I could sense myself detaching from my body. I would literally fill the whole room with myself, but... because I didnt have any kind of proper training, I would snap to, at any lil sound in the house or outside.

So now... my mission is to delve as deep as I can into knowledge of the astral sort before I smoke again. I also want to graduate, and smoking seems to 'keep me stuck' in one mode of thought. Don't get me wrong as I absolutely love the thoughts I have while high, but when I come back to Earth... I don't know where to begin and end up wanting to smoke another bowl in hopes that my new search will grant me the first step I need to take.

I believe I'm ready to remove my training wheels.

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I smoked pot regularly for 2 years. Every day, more than once a day. During this time I came to be interested in astral projection after reading about energy work on the net. I bought a cheap little book called something like, "A beginner's guide to astral projection," and read the whole thing in three days. In it was basic energy work and what I believe is an MP type ritual that heightened my aura, senses, and allowed me to draw more ambient energy into myself.

Obviously I was an addict of the pot. I was chemically dependent, and still am (I realise this). But when I was smoking pot and projecting the one thing that I noticed was that my visions seemed more like daydreams of grandeur; not really a true projection. Although some may have been real, I felt as if more than most were just figments of my imagination. Since I have *cough*quit*cough* my abilities have sharpened and I am actually following the path I want more.

Marijuana is not something that you should waste your time on, or your money. Not only does it interfere with your workings, but your money is being syphoned out of your country, into someone else's pocket. Who knows who it is? Maybe it's Osama, or even a communist or socialist group...

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There's also a lot of home grown stuff ya know...

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Which is actually what works best, since its a female plant and not that hemp/cannibinoid hybrid shit grown in fields in mexico or where ever. Not only that but if you're gonna waste your money on drugs you might as well as waste it getting something worth while and get some of that grade A american quality chronic.

However you're still not paying taxes for it so shame on you, and me.

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A) Marijuana does not cause physical dependance.

B) My marijuana is home grown in the good ol' U.S. of A.

C) Communist or socialist group? Oh, heavens to Betsy, it's the end of the world. Run and get the duct tape.

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[QUOTE=Will B. Dunn]A) Marijuana does not cause physical dependance.[/QUOTE]
You would think so, but after waking up in COLD SWEATS four to five times per night in the withdrawal stages I would think that -YES- marijuana is physically addictive and I was chemically dependent. Any chemical you put in your body long enough will be processed normally and your body will get used to it. Obviously you've never been in a rehab clinic, but I have.

Dopamine is released an an accelerated rate within the brain and more receptor sites are created to fit this new amount. When the amount is lowered to the "normal," you will feel cravings, and experience other unpleasurable side-effects. I don't have to live in denial that I was and still am an addict.

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[QUOTE=Delaran]You would think so, but after waking up in COLD SWEATS four to five times per night in the withdrawal stages I would think that -YES- marijuana is physically addictive and I was chemically dependent. Any chemical you put in your body long enough will be processed normally and your body will get used to it. Obviously you've never been in a rehab clinic, but I have.

Dopamine is released an an accelerated rate within the brain and more receptor sites are created to fit this new amount. When the amount is lowered to the "normal," you will feel cravings, and experience other unpleasurable side-effects. I don't have to live in denial that I was and still am an addict.[/QUOTE]
well i was JUST about to call my weed-girl, but nevermind looks like i wont mess wit the stuff as much as i use to.

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I don't believe marijuana to be physically addictive - certainly, there is a process of normalization after a period of extended use during which different bodies will undergo different processes as all affected bodily process begin to function without it in your body, but I think you'd have to be smoking a TON of pot in order to be waking up in cold sweats, or perhaps more inclined towards the expression of mental symptoms of withdrawal/addiction.

now, to the topic:

After periods during which I've given myself a good amount of "time-off" or smoking potent grass, I have noticed an altered state far beyond the normal feeling of being stoned, during which I find myself able to focus on a feeling of detachment from the body - while astral projection is nothing I've attempted for a while now, there are similarities between it and being powerfully faded that I'm sure could be exploited by those wanting to explore it further.

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[QUOTE=eliogabalus] while astral projection is nothing I've attempted for a while now, there are similarities between it and being powerfully faded that I'm sure could be exploited by those wanting to explore it further.[/QUOTE]


aye... the trick is in the follow through. I believe if you're determined to do something (anything really) while stoned, the potentials of the human mind are infinite. Of course the mind is already infinite in scope without the use of said substance, but like someone already noted... the chemical can get you to and through the door, but it's up to the user/viewer to search the room for additional doors and resist going through the same door over and over again.


I gotta ask my fellow bud-brothers... after smoking really good stuff (skunk, kind, hydro, etc.) is it just me, or is your thinking ALOT 'clearer' too? Clear isn't quite the word I want to use, but the shear speed of the mind on any given task is astonishing, when compared to sober thinking. For me, it's like my ego gets shoved out of the way so I can 'connect'. With what... I'm not quite sure. But that 'connection' is what I'm addicted to.

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I used to suck dick for coke. You ever suck dick for marijuana?

I'm sorry, but in my own experience and in all the medical literature, marijuana does not cause a physical dependance. I personally used to smoke as much as four times daily for many moons and stopped cold turkey when I traveled, to no ill effect. And no, I never was in rehab, because I don't do drugs- I just smoke weed.

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[QUOTE=Will B. Dunn]I used to suck dick for coke. You ever suck dick for marijuana?
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wow, the only words that come to mind


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[QUOTE=Will B. Dunn]I used to suck dick for coke. You ever suck dick for marijuana?
[/QUOTE] Well no not excactly..but I have used the money from sex work to buy weed. So kinda..

Well I think its the hardest drug to get off. I have smoked weed for about 12 yrs now and when I say smoked weed....I mean everyday. I have a cone when I wake up and smoke every few hours until I go to sleep. It cost me heaps ffs($25 a day). But I cant seem to quit...as hard as I try I just cant. Everyday I say in the morning after I've had a smoke..." ok man quit"...but by lunch I've already bought another stick. I even went away on a holiday to get away from it and managed to do a whole week without smoking....but the night I got back I had a cone to celebrate my week without. I was so glad to be home but not happy to be at square one again.

Its not like Im weak minded either because I managed to get off smack which I had used everyday for a couple of years.

But how do I get off weed? You know I have even thought of using smack again just for abit to break the weed cycle. I know thats a really really stupid thing to do but thats the only thing that has ever stopped me from smoking. Im desperate because I just want a normal life and weed seems to keep me on the outta of everyday life. I live in a haze with bursts of motavation...it would be nice to be free for abit to make some $$$ instead of buying weed with what little I have.

I dunno if its good or bad with majic...I know it makes me not remember my dreams as much though. So I am weakened.

Anyway all this talk bout it....sheeeeesh.








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I wouldnt feel so 'bad' about it Kazahel. With Cannabis... in my experience anyway, its a state of mind that you're addicted to. And the only way I can prove this is, I know I feel alot better during the day just knowing that I have a bowl waiting for me at home. However, when I'm out - I'm all about scoring another sack just so I know I have a bowl waiting for me if I need it. My trouble is confusing having it and needing it, 'cause I know that if I have it, I'm smoking whether I need it or not.

Why is this wrong though? People don't need cigarets, but yet they'll tell you they need one after eating a meal. People don't need alcohol either, and yet these 2 drugs are quite legal.

what I'm getting at (hopefully someone who has never smoked can answer this) why must we feel like "bad-guys" for simply self-medicating something that isnt as harmful as some say? Why cant we have our little addiction too? Why are we told that we are funding terrorism if we buy our high from God knows who?

Honestly... anyone that smokes or has smoked will tell you it isnt nearly as bad as most make it out to be. Sure... Cannabis isnt for everyone, but neither is Pepsi. Some choose Coka-Cola. Why is Cannabis any different than tobacco in this sense?


sorry to go so off-topic with this, but I really want to know why it is bad to 'feel good'.

and to try and jump back on topic... yes... I've noticed that while I'm smoking everyday, dreams are very random, and hard - if not impossible - to remember. I was once told by a wise woman that if you meditate while high, that you will only be able to recall those same thoughts while you're high. The sober mind isn't quite up for the task, unless it's been through it without the use of substance to acquire higher consciousness.

And I have to agree with her. So I am trying to quit until I learn to meditate on my own... I just gotta find a nice quite place to settle down and relax. Not an easy task while living in a big city.

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Oh boy we've just hit a lot of different aspects about drugs, but still relavent to the topic. I'll start here:
You would think so, but after waking up in COLD SWEATS four to five times per night in the withdrawal stages I would think that -YES- marijuana is physically addictive and I was chemically dependent. Any chemical you put in your body long enough will be processed normally and your body will get used to it. Obviously you've never been in a rehab clinic, but I have.

D I think your pot was laced since what you described was text book example of cocaine withdrawl. Yes I did those fucking retarded classes and theropy too, but for probably different reasons. Anyhow the chemical make up of pot is virtually benign to humans. That means it stays in your system for many years, but it does nothing to alter the functions of the body, EXECPT the brain. See THC is a neural supressant. All it does it get between the synapses of your brain cells and prevents them from firing and signals from being complete. This affects mostly coordination, empathy, creativity (why some can think more "clearly"), and cognitive perception. This is what leads to the "high" sensation and altered perception. But the chemical itself doesn't change the functioning of the rest of the body. Therefore the body will never develope dependance on THC. The brain however can develope dependance. Spend 12 years smoking a quarter or more a day, and no offense, you will have pyschological dependance on pot. And that is probably harder to break than a heroin addiction, at least thats what I've been told. Nothing I care to find out personally.
well i was JUST about to call my weed-girl, but nevermind looks like i wont mess wit the stuff as much as i use to.

This is why you might not want to call your weed girly:
Now another way pot can become addictive is if one mixes drugs, particularly with more addictive drugs. Chances are you never even realized your dope was laced with meth or coke or quite a few of other drugs as well. The combination of these chemicals lead to a dubble addiction- pot and what it was laced with. The amount of the other drug mixed with pot can vary. Chances are it was just enough to notice a greater high- but the weed made it seem like it was just the weed because the high is like you're on weed- not crack. Then you try to stop smoking weed but your mind is dependant on that feeling to be content so you continue to smoke pot and the more you smoke of the laced shit the more addicted you will become. But when you get a normal sac you can't tell the difference between the laced and the pure and so your mind makes the highs from both sacs as one and the same. I've seen this happen before. Somebody says they'll never try any other drug than ganja but get a laced sac and then they change their mind, an attempt to get that high the laced sac brought them. Its like having three months free service online. Its a gimick to get you to want the service. Ways dealers lace pot is mix it in the broken up parts, place a rock of crack at the bottom of the bowl (the resin of any laced pot will also contain the other drug) so your own resin can be what gets you hooked. Or they can put a line of shit in a joint, blunt. Or use the same tactics to turn your favorite bong/huka into a giant crack pipe.

Look back at my own life I've been in the dope game before so I know these things and its why I realized I had to quit dealing myself or become addicted and enslaved.- This is what this post has to do with this topic- safety. There just is no way to tell if your pot is laced or not. And even if you could tell would you waste your money and throw it away? Or say fuck it and smoke it anyways. Alot of people would just smoke it anyways.

Finnally if you do still want to use natural herbs for occutic purposes there are alternitives. Look on line keys words -legal buds and how to get them I promise you'll find legal, fake weed. It really can be just as good as the real stuff, its more expensive, but its legal all natural and potent. I suggest you use this instead of weed because this way you know its pure. Plus you can buy seeds and grow some super skanky, ultra stinky, mega potent kine bud. Or you can fake a terminal illenss and get the medical stuff, but thats fraud ;-). you can also find herbal ecstacy, mood enhancers in pill form and teas, incense, and de-toxifiers and so many more useful hemp products that I really can't believe pot is illegal.

Anyhow I'm sure some of you are pretty confussed now since in one post I supported pot and in another I warned against it so here is my philosophy about drugs- Any and all recreational drugs are luxary goods that can be used, but should not abused. If you need any of them you shouldn't be doing them. Ok? So use but use wisely. Now I'm taking my smoke break (I just learned I can type and roll at the same time!) sorry if I babbled during any of this....

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