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A friend of mine needs to take medication to suppress fear. to remove his stress and fear for the exams. i was wondering if these drugs could have any useful effects for me, to use during a ritual or something magical.

any thoughts on drugs that remove fear and their effects on the psyche in magical workings?

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Im not a big fan of taking medications to alter brain chemistry unless there is a dire need. In the current age of happiness in a pill problems people are totaly able to take care of themselves are medicated. Fear is normal and healthy its how you let it effect you that matters. Fear keeps you alert and sharp use it dont hide from it. Self disclipline is highly underrated it appears.

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the drug contains benzodiazepine, to be more precicely

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I'm not a fan of it either, but perhaps i could use it once or twice to get a greater magickal connection.

This person gets so stressed he gets extreme diarrhea and cramps from the fear, so much that he is almost unable to make his exams. Its an obvious mental problem, but I'm not his shrink

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Original post: Horus

I'm not sure why fear would be a factor unless you are working with something dangerous... in which case fear might be a part of what makes it work... just my $0.02

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Original post: Ludi

Benzodiazepine is addictive, so I'd avoid it if I were you.

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"A man goes into knowledge as he goes to war, wide-awake, with fear, respect, and with absolute assurance. going to knowledge, or going to war in any other manner is a mistake, and whoever makes it will live to regret his steps." -don juan

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well i don't need to free myself from fear during my rituals, because there is none. but perhaps the drug could have other effects that could prove useful. but i did some research myself and the drug doesn't seem useful. I thought perhaps somebody here had taken a drug with benzo's, so i wanted to hear some experiences with it.

anyway, the drug is not prescribed for me, so i will just leave it to the person that needs it.

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CAUTION!

Dont take any medications without first checking it out with your doctor. I know with certain ant-depressent/anti-anxiety medications there has been some bad side effects such as users actually being SUCIDAL. Recently there has been some controversy over some of these drugs and lawsuites. Some of the anti-depressent/anti-anxiety drugs help some people but for others it can make things worst. So be VERY CAREFUL!

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Well i have no mental problems, i am just seeking deeper spirituality, deeper understanding of certain things.

If it would help me to take certain substances, then i might once or twice, otherwise i have no need for drugs to make my life better.

I kindly ask that no more warnings are posted here, i just wanna know if there are any persons here that have experience in these fields.

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Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum

for solid information about the xanax class of drugs, see

www.erowid.org.

I have experimented with this drug myself, and will be posting some thoughts after I hear back from the originator of the thread.

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I browsed the site, but it was a bit to much information, I'm not such a drug expert and am not familiar with all the different names, but i will look into the site some more.

you have my attention. I am looking for possibility's in use in magickal rituals and spiritual work. I have no intention on using a drug for a long time. Are there any effects that could benefit my workings, or my magickal ability?

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Original post: Amur

Take some coke if you want to reduce fear, buaha..
No seriously it's more healthy to learn NLP and to tackle the fear itself. Also concentrating on the navel area can help reduce and take control over the fear.

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Hmm, it seams people are misunderstanging me, how frustrating.

Well i'll explain once more.

A friend of mine has problems with fear, and takes this drug to reduce his fear.
I want to know if i can use that drug in my rituals, not necesaraly to reduce fear perhaps it has some other useful functions.

I myself don't have problems of fear during ritual work or any other part of life, i was just asking if i could use the drug for other effects.

But i would also like to know now what NLP is, never heard of it, perhaps i can advise it to my friend, i don't like him being on such medication.

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Original post: Fr.NovumOrganum

I'm going to start a new thread to discuss this. Please all feel free to join in.

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[QUOTE=A_Smoking_Fox]

A friend of mine has problems with fear, and takes this drug to reduce his fear.
I want to know if i can use that drug in my rituals, not necesaraly to reduce fear perhaps it has some other useful functions.

[/QUOTE]
I hear you. You can take this particular drug, but you need to be aware that there are big problems with this class of drug. My girlfriend went to the insane asylum with this kind of drug. These are corporate pharmeceuticals we're talking about, not friendly drugs like LSD/MDMA. There's big money invovled in getting people to take them, and keep taking them. Its quite possible that this drug actually increases fear as a withdrawal symptom. That's how corporate drugs work.

That said, if you feel you want to take it, than do it. Taking one probably won't harm you at all, unless it establishes the pattern of feeling like you need corporate drugs to regulate your mind. But be aware of the big picture before you do it, you are being warned of the danger. When I was in high school I took on of my freinds pills, Ritalin, to see what it did. I spent the next 5 years of my life believing I had a non existent illness called ADHD and taking this drug, because of the pleasure rush and productivity the drug gave me. But it was a lie, it was just speed, being dealt at the corporate level to kids. Millions of Americans are held captive to these drugs, so that's why you are getting all these warnings!

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Original post: A_Smoking_Fox

yeah, its a shame what this world is coming to. but as a mage i must be able to be above such schemes and systems. Its not a path for the weak, and my mind is trained enough not to be tricked by a drug in such a way.
but i hear you, a warned man is worth two.

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Original post: Samhain

While people used to take organic drugs such as certain mushroom compounds in order to learn how to access the astral, that sort of knowledge has been lost to all but a handful of surviving pre-tech tribal groups. And, IMO, ayone who experiments with this sort of thing without having a very solid background of knowledge is really rolling the dice.

As for anti-depressants, I imagine that the manner in which they work would prevent any sort of astral travelling, so that it wouldn't be possible to do meaningful magic work while taking them. Just a guess, but read about what that stuff is for and how it works, and draw your own conclusions.

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Original post: Jenfucius

[QUOTE=A_Smoking_Fox]Hmm, it seams people are misunderstanging me, how frustrating.

Well i'll explain once more.

A friend of mine has problems with fear, and takes this drug to reduce his fear.
I want to know if i can use that drug in my rituals, not necesaraly to reduce fear perhaps it has some other useful functions.

[/QUOTE](As for the warning it was intended that no one gets the wrong message and start poping up drugs because of of something they read over the internet. Just in case some kid reading this might try it and you dont want to get the site owner into legal problems as well.)

As for drugs that can used in rituals it depends on what specifically the drug(s) is. Some drugs can put you in a comatose state and maybe you might astral project as a result.

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While people used to take organic drugs such as certain mushroom compounds in order to learn how to access the astral, that sort of knowledge has been lost to all but a handful of surviving pre-tech tribal groups.
not sure about that, ancient mushroom knowledge still thrives in post-tech eastern europe as well as central mexico (to pick two)... its like knowing how to cook, hunt, or skin an animal... a survival skill as well as common knowledge. it just depends whether your family elders pass on the info or not nowadays imo

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Original post: A_Smoking_Fox

okey Jenfucius you have a good point. No i wouldn't want the site owner to get into trouble.
And it is true that drugs are dangerous and can seriously screw you up if not handled wisely.

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[QUOTE=Jenfucius](Just in case some kid reading this might try it and you dont want to get the site owner into legal problems as well.)
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JESUS I hate that. Teenagers are fountains of never ending legal danger, so that they have to be completly marginalized and isolated, to experience drugs, sex and violence completly on their own with no guidance from big older friends. We seriously need to extend our idea of personal responsibility in this society, its really ridiculous. If a 17 year old shows up to a magickal gathering on acid and but rapes the high priest while screaming "Livin la Vida Loca", then the high priest gets hauled off to court to answer why he tied himself to a tree and raped a minor with his ass.

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thats not the point cryptobliss. I complained about the warnings, because i know the dangers of drug use already. That was her response to my complains.

A minor, or any other person from 0 to 144 years old could come here and being unaware of the dangers think we are advocating drug use.

Maybe its a small and unlikely thing to happen, but who knows...

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Original post: Yazan

The drug your friend is taking is A benzodiazepine. Benzodiazepines are a family of drugs, not a single drug.

What your friend is taking is either Alprazolam (Xanax), Diazepam (Valium), Lorazepam (Ativan) or Clonazepam (Klonopin/Rivotril). There are other benzos out there but these are the most commonly prescribed.

These drugs certainly DO NOT reduce "fear". They are anxiolytic, which means they reduce anxiety.

If your friend is taking a medical dose as instructed (I trust the doctor knows what s/he is doing since prolonged use of benzos causes tolerance and horrendous withdrawal), then your friend should not see any problem when doing rituals, at least IMHO and personal experience. Benzos don't do much besides what they're indicated for, unless you take too much... then you black out and maybe fall asleep...

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Original post: A_Smoking_Fox

The kind my friend is taking is called prazepam.
its a very light dose i think

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