I have somebody who is very close to me that is suicidal, out of respect to them, I will leave them completely anonymous, but they have been very depressed, for quite a long time, I am doing everything I can to help them, but they are trying to hurt themself with psionics, in effect, trying to will themselves not to live.
I don't know that much about psi abilities myself, having only just begun looking into them, but is there any way to forcibly prevent use of psionics, preferably only temporarily, or reversibly, I don't like interfering in another person's will at all, but in this case, I would do it to protect them, I would give my life gladly, for the person involved, please, help me on this one.
I wish to prevent the person being able to use any and all psi ability that could be used to do harm to themselves, the person has gone through a lot of shit that they don't deserve heaped upon them, but nevertheless, was heaped upon them regardless, if I absolutely have to do so to prevent them hurting themselves, I would even strip them of the capacity to use psionic abilities if I could, but only, as the very last thing I could do to prevent them killing themselves.
The person is almost 16, that is just too young to die, especially by one's own hand or mind, is there anything that can be done to prevent use of psionics to self-harm, as I am really worried that this person might succeed
I have not a clue. Weither you can or not, taking the proverbial weapon from the person who wants to kill themselves with it, weither physical objects, or their own mind (psi), isn't the answer, as sooner or latter they will find a way to kill themselves in any way available.
The only thing one can do for someone who wants to commit suicide, is quite frankly helping them in some way, discover why exactly they want to die, what has happened to them to make them desire such a thing, and most importantly helping them find within themselves a greater reason (desire), for not wanting to die.
There are no guarantees, as the internal problems which have made the person want to die instead of live, can only be fixed by the person themselves. Ultimately it is choice plain and simple. There is an advantage though when dealing with someone so young. Being as their psyche is so immature, they can be affected by the input of others around them to a great degree. Someone much older is quite literally alot harder to get through to.
Never try to force anything on someone like this though, and be very careful in the way you word your comments. If the person senses you are trying to "make them" do something, they will shut you down and rebel against any further help you offer.
If you trusly want to help someone like this, constantly feed them input that reafirms something which they believe they lack. That is the power via choice to shape themselves and so their world for the better.
All people with severe mental disorders, specificly the self destructive types like suicidal tendencies, eating disorders, severe anxiety based disorders, etc, all have one thing in common. For whatever reason, they have came to believe that they have very little to no control of themselves and so their lives. No body just wants to harm themselves, or even kill themselves for no reason (unless they have some sort of brain damage of course). They do so as a cry for help in the former and a responce to felling they will never be helped and so death is better in the latter.
The help they all want has nothing to do with anyone else, and so their views, opinions, ideas, comments, etc about life, what this person should do and be, etc, and everything to do with the person themselves, and so what they want to do and be.
This young man for whatever reason, has found life to be more painful than it's worth, and so would rather die than continue to live in the fashion he has. He truely doesn't want to die, he just doesn't want to live the way he has for so long (i.e. suffer so greatly anymore).
Something is greatly wrong inside, I hope with all my being that this young man, recieves the support he needs, to find the power within himself to not just tell him, but to truely show him, he has the power to do and be in life anything and everything he desires, and that the past is the past, and everyday offers a new chance to be reborn again.
The best "advice" you could tell this young man is to not listen to the little voice of doubt within himself that keeps telling him that nothing is going to change, or that his life will always be hell. It is nothing but a squaking, lying, robot. A thought linked to the memories of the past, that is a lie, as the past doesn't even exist anymore. This is a world of change, not stagnance. To believe nothing will change is always believing in a lie.
In psychology I've learned that people who really want to die succeed at suicide. If One attempts it and surivives they are really asking for attention- like help me! And thats what this person probably needs a good councilor to help them. Depression is not a fun thing to live with but it doesn't have to control your friend's life. Either way its best for you to act first before they hurt themselves are someone near them. At this point I wouldn't worry too much, it could be this friend just wants more attention. But keep an eye out for signs of suicidial behavior. If you think your friend may attempt suicide he needs help.
In retrospect if your friend was studying shamanism they may be attempting a ritualistic death. More like a role playing death than an actual one. This would be done as initiation towards becoming a shaman.
OR..you can do what i like to do on a normal basis (but extremely much less extreme) leech that crap out him till he can't think striat, go into his head and scan for the reason why he wants to kill himself. once yu find teh reason, explain to him what you saw and TRY to reason with him.
I had a close heart to heart talk with her, and explained to her, that draining herself leads to a downward recursive loop of depression and negative emotions, and that once she stopped trying to use psi and magick to hurt herself, then the healing process could begin in proper, and that I would be there for her no matter what.
It too me quite a lot of logic and argument, but eventually she pulled through, and we are working on healing both body and mind in every way we can:p
micdeath you nerd lol. (ment in a playfull way) Any who most people who are depressed simply need to belive in tthemselfs. It's not something anyone can change for them. In the end they simply have to either say: I'm tired of this it's time to change. or live on in misery. (avoiding the subject of death for fear of upsetting someone)
[QUOTE=ChaosTech]I have not a clue. Weither you can or not, taking the proverbial weapon from the person who wants to kill themselves with it, weither physical objects, or their own mind (psi), isn't the answer, as sooner or latter they will find a way to kill themselves in any way available.
The only thing one can do for someone who wants to commit suicide, is quite frankly helping them in some way, discover why exactly they want to die, what has happened to them to make them desire such a thing, and most importantly helping them find within themselves a greater reason (desire), for not wanting to die.
There are no guarantees, as the internal problems which have made the person want to die instead of live, can only be fixed by the person themselves. Ultimately it is choice plain and simple. There is an advantage though when dealing with someone so young. Being as their psyche is so immature, they can be affected by the input of others around them to a great degree. Someone much older is quite literally alot harder to get through to.
Never try to force anything on someone like this though, and be very careful in the way you word your comments. If the person senses you are trying to "make them" do something, they will shut you down and rebel against any further help you offer.
If you trusly want to help someone like this, constantly feed them input that reafirms something which they believe they lack. That is the power via choice to shape themselves and so their world for the better.
All people with severe mental disorders, specificly the self destructive types like suicidal tendencies, eating disorders, severe anxiety based disorders, etc, all have one thing in common. For whatever reason, they have came to believe that they have very little to no control of themselves and so their lives. No body just wants to harm themselves, or even kill themselves for no reason (unless they have some sort of brain damage of course). They do so as a cry for help in the former and a responce to felling they will never be helped and so death is better in the latter.
The help they all want has nothing to do with anyone else, and so their views, opinions, ideas, comments, etc about life, what this person should do and be, etc, and everything to do with the person themselves, and so what they want to do and be.
This young man for whatever reason, has found life to be more painful than it's worth, and so would rather die than continue to live in the fashion he has. He truely doesn't want to die, he just doesn't want to live the way he has for so long (i.e. suffer so greatly anymore).
Something is greatly wrong inside, I hope with all my being that this young man, recieves the support he needs, to find the power within himself to not just tell him, but to truely show him, he has the power to do and be in life anything and everything he desires, and that the past is the past, and everyday offers a new chance to be reborn again.
The best "advice" you could tell this young man is to not listen to the little voice of doubt within himself that keeps telling him that nothing is going to change, or that his life will always be hell. It is nothing but a squaking, lying, robot. A thought linked to the memories of the past, that is a lie, as the past doesn't even exist anymore. This is a world of change, not stagnance. To believe nothing will change is always believing in a lie.[/QUOTE]
this really is good advice. spend more time listening to what your friend needs she will know what she needs, no one else knows better than her. dont try to force her to do anything or change her mind or take anything away from her. more than anything she will need love and support, not another struggle.
[QUOTE=Shodan] but they are trying to hurt themself with psionics, in effect, trying to will themselves not to live.[/QUOTE]
That's the dumbest thing you can do. The thing about magick is that it tends to work after you release the desire, like an arrow from a bow...So if you have been willing death, its right when you cheer up and start enjoying life that the semi-truck will hit you.
