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[QUOTE=MadHatR137]That would be your descendants, not ancestors...ancestors being " A forerunner or predecessor" and that the root of "ancestry" is "anc-ient" meaning "that of great age."
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I'm an ass....[/QUOTE]
yeah, I was wondering why it felt odd when I was typing that...
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Someone earlier in this thread mentioned 2012. What is prophosized for that date?
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It's the end of the Mayan calendar. Some people think that the Mayan profecies of the end of this world (and likely the birth of a new one) will fulfill then.
But anyhow, from an astrological viewpoint, there are some signs that may point to something happening in the change of decade:
- Nov. 2008: Pluto (crisis/catharsis) enters Capricorn (structures). Last time that happened was the late XVIII century, a time of economic crisis and prelude of revolutions. In fact the American revolution took place while Plurto was still in Cap.
- May 2010: Uranus (social structures) enters Aries (action, war) conjunct Jupiter. Uranus was last in Aries in 1927-35, presiding over the 1929 crisis and the ascension of Hitler to power.
- Apr. 2011: Neptune (ideals, spirituality) enters Pisces (its domicile). Last time it presided over 1848 revolutions but also over a rather quiet phase preceding really strong changes (unification of Italy and Germany) that would only take place with Neptune in Aries.
- A few weeks before, Jupiter (expansion) and Saturn (restriction) are opposed, something that happens only every 20 years or so. Last time in 1991, when the Soviet block collapsed. Jupiter in Aries may mean expansion of action, leadership. Saturn in Libra is well placed but means restriction or discipline in alliances and open rivalries.
- In 2012 all these planets will yet be in the above mentioned signs but Jupiter, the fastest one. Well, in fact Uranus and Neptune will have passed thorugh a retrograde phase jumping back and forth around the cusps of Aries and Pisces respectively. They will enter again these signs in 2012. The NN of the Moon (destiny, karma) will enter Scorpio, sign of deep changes, in Sep. 2012, with all three invisible planets retrograde.
I don't think those are indicative of the end of the time but they surely point to economic crisis and deep and difficult changes. The fact that Sedna is in her inner and fast phase, that only happened 12.500 years ago when the Ice Age came to its end may be also significative. Nevertheless the closest approach to the Sun of this misterious planetoid (slightly smaller than Pluto only) will only happen in about 70 years from now.
[QUOTE=BlackRavenSpike][OFF TOPIC]
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned 2012. What is prophosized for that date?
[OFF TOPIC][/QUOTE]
It's the end of the Mayan calendar. Some people think that the Mayan profecies of the end of this world (and likely the birth of a new one) will fulfill then.
But anyhow, from an astrological viewpoint, there are some signs that may point to something happening in the change of decade:
- Nov. 2008: Pluto (crisis/catharsis) enters Capricorn (structures). Last time that happened was the late XVIII century, a time of economic crisis and prelude of revolutions. In fact the American revolution took place while Plurto was still in Cap.
- May 2010: Uranus (social structures) enters Aries (action, war) conjunct Jupiter. Uranus was last in Aries in 1927-35, presiding over the 1929 crisis and the ascension of Hitler to power.
- Apr. 2011: Neptune (ideals, spirituality) enters Pisces (its domicile). Last time it presided over 1848 revolutions but also over a rather quiet phase preceding really strong changes (unification of Italy and Germany) that would only take place with Neptune in Aries.
- A few weeks before, Jupiter (expansion) and Saturn (restriction) are opposed, something that happens only every 20 years or so. Last time in 1991, when the Soviet block collapsed. Jupiter in Aries may mean expansion of action, leadership. Saturn in Libra is well placed but means restriction or discipline in alliances and open rivalries.
- In 2012 all these planets will yet be in the above mentioned signs but Jupiter, the fastest one. Well, in fact Uranus and Neptune will have passed thorugh a retrograde phase jumping back and forth around the cusps of Aries and Pisces respectively. They will enter again these signs in 2012. The NN of the Moon (destiny, karma) will enter Scorpio, sign of deep changes, in Sep. 2012, with all three invisible planets retrograde.
I don't think those are indicative of the end of the time but they surely point to economic crisis and deep and difficult changes. The fact that Sedna is in her inner and fast phase, that only happened 12.500 years ago when the Ice Age came to its end may be also significative. Nevertheless the closest approach to the Sun of this misterious planetoid (slightly smaller than Pluto only) will only happen in about 70 years from now.
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Original post: Panu Nahka
Before, I scoffed at the doomsayers drumming the end of world. But now it seems inevitable, that we are living in, if not the end times, then at least their prelude. World chokes under pollution and Reality is strangled by cold reason. Next Ice Age is almost certainly beginning in the next fifty years, caused by the raise of global temperature.
I agree that we should not fall in to depression, but I also am pretty sure, that the depression of few magicians won't affect the outcome by any measure. It's easy to say that "why do you give power to such visions by believing them?" and by that brush the whole thing under the blanket.
Although nothing is set on stone, I have feeling that to change the outcome for better, ecoterrorism might be the only choice. Of course, it would be better to save the world from greedy humans by grass-roots politics and non-aggressive protests, but such methods are too weak and too slow, if deadline is as close as we think.
But I have one idea that is even feasible: Someone could collect enough people skilled in weather-manipulation together, and then try to buy us more time by slowing the pace of global warming.
Before, I scoffed at the doomsayers drumming the end of world. But now it seems inevitable, that we are living in, if not the end times, then at least their prelude. World chokes under pollution and Reality is strangled by cold reason. Next Ice Age is almost certainly beginning in the next fifty years, caused by the raise of global temperature.
I agree that we should not fall in to depression, but I also am pretty sure, that the depression of few magicians won't affect the outcome by any measure. It's easy to say that "why do you give power to such visions by believing them?" and by that brush the whole thing under the blanket.
Although nothing is set on stone, I have feeling that to change the outcome for better, ecoterrorism might be the only choice. Of course, it would be better to save the world from greedy humans by grass-roots politics and non-aggressive protests, but such methods are too weak and too slow, if deadline is as close as we think.
But I have one idea that is even feasible: Someone could collect enough people skilled in weather-manipulation together, and then try to buy us more time by slowing the pace of global warming.
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What sort of eco terrorism do you see as being helpful toward changing people's minds or the outcome we see before us? Do you see recent ecoterrorism such as ELF's work being of value in this effort?
Very interested in your further thoughts.
My question is not meant to be "easy" or to "brush the whole thing under the blanket." It is a very serious question.It's easy to say that "why do you give power to such visions by believing them?" and by that brush the whole thing under the blanket.
Someone. It's always "someone." Why not you? Do you or anyone you know, know enough about the world's weather systems to even understand how to make a difference in the weather that would affect global climate change? Why not work at changing peoples' minds to the positive possibility that our actions today in physical reality can have an important impact on survival in the near future? This is too weak and slow? Why would mind-changing magick be so much more slow and weak than weather-changing magick? Just curious.Someone could collect enough people skilled in weather-manipulation together, and then try to buy us more time by slowing the pace of global warming.
What sort of eco terrorism do you see as being helpful toward changing people's minds or the outcome we see before us? Do you see recent ecoterrorism such as ELF's work being of value in this effort?
Very interested in your further thoughts.
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Original post: Mairu
[QUOTE=Panu Nahka]Before, I scoffed at the doomsayers drumming the end of world. But now it seems inevitable, that we are living in, if not the end times, then at least their prelude. World chokes under pollution and Reality is strangled by cold reason. Next Ice Age is almost certainly beginning in the next fifty years, caused by the raise of global temperature.
I agree that we should not fall in to depression, but I also am pretty sure, that the depression of few magicians won't affect the outcome by any measure. It's easy to say that "why do you give power to such visions by believing them?" and by that brush the whole thing under the blanket.
Although nothing is set on stone, I have feeling that to change the outcome for better, ecoterrorism might be the only choice. Of course, it would be better to save the world from greedy humans by grass-roots politics and non-aggressive protests, but such methods are too weak and too slow, if deadline is as close as we think.
But I have one idea that is even feasible: Someone could collect enough people skilled in weather-manipulation together, and then try to buy us more time by slowing the pace of global warming.[/QUOTE] Couldn't we try something not to slow down the process but to accelerate the change of humankind, skipping the nasty part? I want to get the taste of how Paradise is before I am gone. :-)
Ludi: notice that I say WE (I don't think I could do that alone).
I also think that we need to positivize and start thinking not passively and negatively: "the end is near" but actively and possitively. Not to leave ourselves to sink in the seas as someone had envisioned but to open the eyes of EVERYBODY and impulse them (and ourselves) to get the necessary change started.
Maybe magic(k) can be significatively more effective in this task than political action or maybe both are only one but we can help energizing the other. I'm sure that Mother Earth will gladly offer us her energies for such a purpose.
But I'm not good enough. I need guide and probaly all the help I can gather.
[QUOTE=Panu Nahka]Before, I scoffed at the doomsayers drumming the end of world. But now it seems inevitable, that we are living in, if not the end times, then at least their prelude. World chokes under pollution and Reality is strangled by cold reason. Next Ice Age is almost certainly beginning in the next fifty years, caused by the raise of global temperature.
I agree that we should not fall in to depression, but I also am pretty sure, that the depression of few magicians won't affect the outcome by any measure. It's easy to say that "why do you give power to such visions by believing them?" and by that brush the whole thing under the blanket.
Although nothing is set on stone, I have feeling that to change the outcome for better, ecoterrorism might be the only choice. Of course, it would be better to save the world from greedy humans by grass-roots politics and non-aggressive protests, but such methods are too weak and too slow, if deadline is as close as we think.
But I have one idea that is even feasible: Someone could collect enough people skilled in weather-manipulation together, and then try to buy us more time by slowing the pace of global warming.[/QUOTE] Couldn't we try something not to slow down the process but to accelerate the change of humankind, skipping the nasty part? I want to get the taste of how Paradise is before I am gone. :-)
Ludi: notice that I say WE (I don't think I could do that alone).
I also think that we need to positivize and start thinking not passively and negatively: "the end is near" but actively and possitively. Not to leave ourselves to sink in the seas as someone had envisioned but to open the eyes of EVERYBODY and impulse them (and ourselves) to get the necessary change started.
Maybe magic(k) can be significatively more effective in this task than political action or maybe both are only one but we can help energizing the other. I'm sure that Mother Earth will gladly offer us her energies for such a purpose.
But I'm not good enough. I need guide and probaly all the help I can gather.
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Original post: Ludi
"Humankind" does not need to change, our current dominant cultural paradigm/model/worldview is what needs to change because that is what is destroying the fabric of life on this planet.accelerate the change of humankind
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Original post: Mairu
That's what I was talking about. I'm not talking about physiology but psychology, sociology, culture, awareness.
That's what I was talking about. I'm not talking about physiology but psychology, sociology, culture, awareness.
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I absolutely believe you are "good enough" because your eyes are open to the idea that our culture needs to change.
I don't personally separate my magick from all my other activities, working on changing myself, changing my mind, changing my way of life to foster biological and cultural diversity. It is all "of a piece" for me, including discussing on these forums.
I absolutely believe you are "good enough" because your eyes are open to the idea that our culture needs to change.
I don't personally separate my magick from all my other activities, working on changing myself, changing my mind, changing my way of life to foster biological and cultural diversity. It is all "of a piece" for me, including discussing on these forums.
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I am so weary of all these nihlistic teenagers who upon discovering their own mortality believe the world will end. The world will continue to turn regardless of your presence or anyone else's.
Perhaps you are only feeling the existential terror of your ego's reality tunnel shifting focus.'
Your world (reality) should change frequently in order for life to be exciting and new. Sadly many people are content with the humdrum mediocrity of their one small veiw and their dirty little lens. Soon they develop a crick in the neck and complain the "world is ending" when its only the weight of their minds shifting due to a crumbling foundation.
I am so weary of all these nihlistic teenagers who upon discovering their own mortality believe the world will end. The world will continue to turn regardless of your presence or anyone else's.
Perhaps you are only feeling the existential terror of your ego's reality tunnel shifting focus.'
Your world (reality) should change frequently in order for life to be exciting and new. Sadly many people are content with the humdrum mediocrity of their one small veiw and their dirty little lens. Soon they develop a crick in the neck and complain the "world is ending" when its only the weight of their minds shifting due to a crumbling foundation.
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[QUOTE=hungrykitty]I am so weary of all these nihlistic teenagers who upon discovering their own mortality believe the world will end. The world will continue to turn regardless of your presence or anyone else's.
Perhaps you are only feeling the existential terror of your ego's reality tunnel shifting focus.'
Your world (reality) should change frequently in order for life to be exciting and new. Sadly many people are content with the humdrum mediocrity of their one small veiw and their dirty little lens. Soon they develop a crick in the neck and complain the "world is ending" when its only the weight of their minds shifting due to a crumbling foundation.[/QUOTE]
well hungrykitty that is only your interpretation. if you are senstive to the things some people have felt and actually DO research on this, like look at the news, look at the weather and such you might make some conections. that is what ive done and im pretty much convinced with the end of the world thing but not literally the "end of the world". all i know is something is going to end and Mother Earth/Nature is doing something im not too sure about.
i will also want to give some advice to those who think the end is near and such. if your so sure its the end do some research and go look around your environment. if you find something strange/different in the environment and such than connect it with what is happening in the world like the storms and such.
well i hope all of you get what i mean and try to do this. so in the future when you make a thread on the end and such you will have at least done research on it when you make the thread....
[QUOTE=hungrykitty]I am so weary of all these nihlistic teenagers who upon discovering their own mortality believe the world will end. The world will continue to turn regardless of your presence or anyone else's.
Perhaps you are only feeling the existential terror of your ego's reality tunnel shifting focus.'
Your world (reality) should change frequently in order for life to be exciting and new. Sadly many people are content with the humdrum mediocrity of their one small veiw and their dirty little lens. Soon they develop a crick in the neck and complain the "world is ending" when its only the weight of their minds shifting due to a crumbling foundation.[/QUOTE]
well hungrykitty that is only your interpretation. if you are senstive to the things some people have felt and actually DO research on this, like look at the news, look at the weather and such you might make some conections. that is what ive done and im pretty much convinced with the end of the world thing but not literally the "end of the world". all i know is something is going to end and Mother Earth/Nature is doing something im not too sure about.
i will also want to give some advice to those who think the end is near and such. if your so sure its the end do some research and go look around your environment. if you find something strange/different in the environment and such than connect it with what is happening in the world like the storms and such.
well i hope all of you get what i mean and try to do this. so in the future when you make a thread on the end and such you will have at least done research on it when you make the thread....
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
*shudders* The end is nigh!!!
Well if it is, I don't see how making paranoid assumptions about recurring environmental and media related events are proof of any damn thing?? But hey, what do I know
I agree that individual people can make a melodrama out of their circumstance until they're convinced all the world's a stage and they're doing the 4 hour monologue.
Let's lighten up a bit, I mean, many people's lives suck, but there's not much evidence of a supernatural cataclysm, maybe a gradual or even rapid environmental catastrophe, but those have happened before to the Earth, so it'd just mean bad mojo for our species.
Since I'm an honorary member of said species, I think I'll buy my beef jerky and water purifiers and hide in the bunker for a monkey..I mean a while.
*shudders* The end is nigh!!!
Well if it is, I don't see how making paranoid assumptions about recurring environmental and media related events are proof of any damn thing?? But hey, what do I know
I agree that individual people can make a melodrama out of their circumstance until they're convinced all the world's a stage and they're doing the 4 hour monologue.
Let's lighten up a bit, I mean, many people's lives suck, but there's not much evidence of a supernatural cataclysm, maybe a gradual or even rapid environmental catastrophe, but those have happened before to the Earth, so it'd just mean bad mojo for our species.
Since I'm an honorary member of said species, I think I'll buy my beef jerky and water purifiers and hide in the bunker for a monkey..I mean a while.
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Because I don't have contacts to many magicians and I don't know anything about weather-manipulation, yet. But there is bound to be someone who knows, and if you look at the recent weather, it can't at least get any worse if a group of magi put their fingers on it.
And I'm not saying that mind-affecting magick won't have any results, but if "The End" is as near as some propose, popular opinion doesn't matter anything anymore. If "the great change" is scheduled, for example, to 2012 as some believe, then it's fairly useless to manipulate people to change their ways.
And when I speak about ecoterrorism, I don't mean the actions that change people's opinions. I speak about actions that remove people entirely. Of course, I don't encourage such activities, but if some of those animal rights activists would count 1+1 and use their brain a bit more, they would come to conclusion that killing people is only "fast enough" option left, if they want to save "Mother Earth" from humans.
As said before, this is only my rationalization. I don't encourage anyone to do such thing.
Yes, it was probably very serious question, but what you tried to achieve by asking it?Ludi wrote:My question is not meant to be "easy" or to "brush the whole thing under the blanket." It is a very serious question.
Why not me:Someone. It's always "someone." Why not you? Do you or anyone you know, know enough about the world's weather systems to even understand how to make a difference in the weather that would affect global climate change? Why not work at changing peoples' minds to the positive possibility that our actions today in physical reality can have an important impact on survival in the near future? This is too weak and slow? Why would mind-changing magick be so much more slow and weak than weather-changing magick? Just curious.
What sort of eco terrorism do you see as being helpful toward changing people's minds or the outcome we see before us? Do you see recent ecoterrorism such as ELF's work being of value in this effort?
Very interested in your further thoughts.
Because I don't have contacts to many magicians and I don't know anything about weather-manipulation, yet. But there is bound to be someone who knows, and if you look at the recent weather, it can't at least get any worse if a group of magi put their fingers on it.
And I'm not saying that mind-affecting magick won't have any results, but if "The End" is as near as some propose, popular opinion doesn't matter anything anymore. If "the great change" is scheduled, for example, to 2012 as some believe, then it's fairly useless to manipulate people to change their ways.
And when I speak about ecoterrorism, I don't mean the actions that change people's opinions. I speak about actions that remove people entirely. Of course, I don't encourage such activities, but if some of those animal rights activists would count 1+1 and use their brain a bit more, they would come to conclusion that killing people is only "fast enough" option left, if they want to save "Mother Earth" from humans.
As said before, this is only my rationalization. I don't encourage anyone to do such thing.
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Matt Simmons is Dick Cheney's chief energy advisor (though I dont think he has an official position). He claims that the middle eastern oil fields reached peak oil production in the year 2001. This means that the oil supply will only fall and oil will only get more and more expensive. It also just happens that middle-eastern oil production has decreased every year since 2001. This is matt simmons website on peak oil.
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/content/peak_oil
I dont know if anyone here has read Liber Kaos by Pete Carrol but he suggests that we are moving into a new aeon (i know people have been saying that for a while) wherein magic and mysticism will dominate religion per se and be comprobable to the interest in rational materialism and science only to dominate rational acience as well (which I dont think is a bad thing).
P.Q. Wall, a financial advisor, studies sumerian astrology. According to him this system that we have been in "ant mind" for the past several hundred years. In this state human culture is obsessed with development and material things (not like greedy, but like uninterested in psi/magic/etc.). Wall says that we are now moving into the "python mind" wherein interest in rational thought processes dwindles and intuition and dyonesian(sp?) thought processes reign supreme. I dont have a link to his site but if i find it I will post it.
I think these form several interesting parallels.
Matt Simmons is Dick Cheney's chief energy advisor (though I dont think he has an official position). He claims that the middle eastern oil fields reached peak oil production in the year 2001. This means that the oil supply will only fall and oil will only get more and more expensive. It also just happens that middle-eastern oil production has decreased every year since 2001. This is matt simmons website on peak oil.
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/content/peak_oil
I dont know if anyone here has read Liber Kaos by Pete Carrol but he suggests that we are moving into a new aeon (i know people have been saying that for a while) wherein magic and mysticism will dominate religion per se and be comprobable to the interest in rational materialism and science only to dominate rational acience as well (which I dont think is a bad thing).
P.Q. Wall, a financial advisor, studies sumerian astrology. According to him this system that we have been in "ant mind" for the past several hundred years. In this state human culture is obsessed with development and material things (not like greedy, but like uninterested in psi/magic/etc.). Wall says that we are now moving into the "python mind" wherein interest in rational thought processes dwindles and intuition and dyonesian(sp?) thought processes reign supreme. I dont have a link to his site but if i find it I will post it.
I think these form several interesting parallels.
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[QUOTE=Dr_Doom]Matt Simmons is Dick Cheney's chief energy advisor (though I dont think he has an official position). He claims that the middle eastern oil fields reached peak oil production in the year 2001. This means that the oil supply will only fall and oil will only get more and more expensive. It also just happens that middle-eastern oil production has decreased every year since 2001. This is matt simmons website on peak oil.
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/content/peak_oil
I dont know if anyone here has read Liber Kaos by Pete Carrol but he suggests that we are moving into a new aeon (i know people have been saying that for a while) wherein magic and mysticism will dominate religion per se and be comprobable to the interest in rational materialism and science only to dominate rational acience as well (which I dont think is a bad thing).
P.Q. Wall, a financial advisor, studies sumerian astrology. According to him this system that we have been in "ant mind" for the past several hundred years. In this state human culture is obsessed with development and material things (not like greedy, but like uninterested in psi/magic/etc.). Wall says that we are now moving into the "python mind" wherein interest in rational thought processes dwindles and intuition and dyonesian(sp?) thought processes reign supreme. I dont have a link to his site but if i find it I will post it.
I think these form several interesting parallels.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a bit of wish fulfilment, but that's what we're about isn't it?
[QUOTE=Dr_Doom]Matt Simmons is Dick Cheney's chief energy advisor (though I dont think he has an official position). He claims that the middle eastern oil fields reached peak oil production in the year 2001. This means that the oil supply will only fall and oil will only get more and more expensive. It also just happens that middle-eastern oil production has decreased every year since 2001. This is matt simmons website on peak oil.
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/content/peak_oil
I dont know if anyone here has read Liber Kaos by Pete Carrol but he suggests that we are moving into a new aeon (i know people have been saying that for a while) wherein magic and mysticism will dominate religion per se and be comprobable to the interest in rational materialism and science only to dominate rational acience as well (which I dont think is a bad thing).
P.Q. Wall, a financial advisor, studies sumerian astrology. According to him this system that we have been in "ant mind" for the past several hundred years. In this state human culture is obsessed with development and material things (not like greedy, but like uninterested in psi/magic/etc.). Wall says that we are now moving into the "python mind" wherein interest in rational thought processes dwindles and intuition and dyonesian(sp?) thought processes reign supreme. I dont have a link to his site but if i find it I will post it.
I think these form several interesting parallels.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a bit of wish fulfilment, but that's what we're about isn't it?
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Original post: Frater V.V.L
I am in no way encouraging the apoc, but I also have been having dreams of this nature, and negative things do seem to be happening in my area as well (flint, not a big diff lol) but, I also do not fear death....so maybe this is a good thing! Truly an end to this life shouldnt seem so daunting if you believe in reincarnation!
I am in no way encouraging the apoc, but I also have been having dreams of this nature, and negative things do seem to be happening in my area as well (flint, not a big diff lol) but, I also do not fear death....so maybe this is a good thing! Truly an end to this life shouldnt seem so daunting if you believe in reincarnation!
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The End has always been here. Life WILL result in death, and someone will have to face our world crumbling. We went into this knowing that we would not be here forever, and that neither would our world. People have been forecasting The End since, well, The Beginning. Yet, I believe The End will happen right under our nose, and we won't be doing all of this prophecy and such. The universe will do the same; it will shrink into itself and repeat this process ad infinitum. We do not die, and neither shall any of what we see now. Things change form, evolve, improve, regress, and change location; it will be the end of life as we know it, but the continuation of the life that we have all wondered about. Just a few opinions...
The End has always been here. Life WILL result in death, and someone will have to face our world crumbling. We went into this knowing that we would not be here forever, and that neither would our world. People have been forecasting The End since, well, The Beginning. Yet, I believe The End will happen right under our nose, and we won't be doing all of this prophecy and such. The universe will do the same; it will shrink into itself and repeat this process ad infinitum. We do not die, and neither shall any of what we see now. Things change form, evolve, improve, regress, and change location; it will be the end of life as we know it, but the continuation of the life that we have all wondered about. Just a few opinions...
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Original post: Dr_Doom
Anathema: What do you mean by wish fullfilment? Are you asking if I wish that what I was talking about will come true? IF that is what you meant then yes, definately. How about the rest of you? I personnally think the world needs to be shaken up a little bit. Not ended nessecarily, just turned on its ear, so to speak. I find that the current value system/worldview/powers -that-be is/are becomming a little stagnant. If it was my way, I would rule the world, but of course I think that.
Anathema: What do you mean by wish fullfilment? Are you asking if I wish that what I was talking about will come true? IF that is what you meant then yes, definately. How about the rest of you? I personnally think the world needs to be shaken up a little bit. Not ended nessecarily, just turned on its ear, so to speak. I find that the current value system/worldview/powers -that-be is/are becomming a little stagnant. If it was my way, I would rule the world, but of course I think that.
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Original post: Panu Nahka
[QUOTE=Dr_Doom]Anathema: What do you mean by wish fullfilment? Are you asking if I wish that what I was talking about will come true? IF that is what you meant then yes, definately. How about the rest of you? I personnally think the world needs to be shaken up a little bit. Not ended nessecarily, just turned on its ear, so to speak. I find that the current value system/worldview/powers -that-be is/are becomming a little stagnant. If it was my way, I would rule the world, but of course I think that.[/QUOTE]
It's not only the system of society that is stagnating. Infinite reality is chained to finite pattern by the laws of science. And, as science ironically tells us, entropy will increase in closed system.
[QUOTE=Dr_Doom]Anathema: What do you mean by wish fullfilment? Are you asking if I wish that what I was talking about will come true? IF that is what you meant then yes, definately. How about the rest of you? I personnally think the world needs to be shaken up a little bit. Not ended nessecarily, just turned on its ear, so to speak. I find that the current value system/worldview/powers -that-be is/are becomming a little stagnant. If it was my way, I would rule the world, but of course I think that.[/QUOTE]
It's not only the system of society that is stagnating. Infinite reality is chained to finite pattern by the laws of science. And, as science ironically tells us, entropy will increase in closed system.
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Original post: Calintz
Lmfao, looking over this i see one basic underlying way of reaction. 'Flip flopping' or 'fortune cookie philosophy.'
'the world will end, we end' etc etc
'you can change the world, you can do it' etc
'Choose wisely what you do with the time you have left' etc etc
Each of them has a point though, a piece in the jig-saw puzzle...(oooh...jiggies...) Each of you are right really. The world is going to end, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe before i finish this sentence, and its also true to say you choose what you do with the time left. Lets be honest, its rather foolhardy to just generalise that you'll be ok right now, nevermind in a days time. The next breath you take could kill you, could it not? Because it hasn't before, does that mean it cant in the future? If you say yes...what gives you the right to generalise such a theory? because it hasin the past? Well you've been out in the cold before yet you never came down with the flu..but that one time you did...Anyway, im deviating.
Point is mr topic-man. If you want to change the world, do it. Your gonna be competing with peoples wills, their dreams, hopes and wishes. Whether they realise it or not, the majority shape this world and themselves via thinking it, hoping so blindly for it. Greed, corruption, hatred...its obvious this would paramount at some point but it doesn't mean the end. Look at movies like Judge dredd, or even places like the bronx - they look like utter trash piles yet the end isnt nigh there. All i can say to you is forget it. You cant hope to manipulate the entire world, change the weather and whatnot because people will object. Society has been digging into the ground for hundreds, thousands of years, and i'd say we're reaching the water vein, so just sit back and watch, if its the end open your arms and welcome death if it suits you, or run off and try conjuring this that and the next thing. But in reality you can't do a damn thing about it unless you can change peoples opinions but...would you really have the power or want to do this? Mass manipulation? Doubt it, but why not give it a shot if it keeps your mind off shit, yeah?
Besides, being honest. I really do feel like a change, this worlds too...mmm...meh...really. I think its about time things changed really, don't you? Don't worry about it, i'm sure it'll be a painless 'end' - Supernova, comet, bio-terrorism, nuclear holocaust. Okay so not all of them are painless, but you get the idea.
Its odd though...you know that someday your going to die..yet when its blatantly thrown in your face via emotions or however you 'felt' it...you go and get all paranoid. Tis...quite...strange when you think about it.
JaNe
Lmfao, looking over this i see one basic underlying way of reaction. 'Flip flopping' or 'fortune cookie philosophy.'
'the world will end, we end' etc etc
'you can change the world, you can do it' etc
'Choose wisely what you do with the time you have left' etc etc
Each of them has a point though, a piece in the jig-saw puzzle...(oooh...jiggies...) Each of you are right really. The world is going to end, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe before i finish this sentence, and its also true to say you choose what you do with the time left. Lets be honest, its rather foolhardy to just generalise that you'll be ok right now, nevermind in a days time. The next breath you take could kill you, could it not? Because it hasn't before, does that mean it cant in the future? If you say yes...what gives you the right to generalise such a theory? because it hasin the past? Well you've been out in the cold before yet you never came down with the flu..but that one time you did...Anyway, im deviating.
Point is mr topic-man. If you want to change the world, do it. Your gonna be competing with peoples wills, their dreams, hopes and wishes. Whether they realise it or not, the majority shape this world and themselves via thinking it, hoping so blindly for it. Greed, corruption, hatred...its obvious this would paramount at some point but it doesn't mean the end. Look at movies like Judge dredd, or even places like the bronx - they look like utter trash piles yet the end isnt nigh there. All i can say to you is forget it. You cant hope to manipulate the entire world, change the weather and whatnot because people will object. Society has been digging into the ground for hundreds, thousands of years, and i'd say we're reaching the water vein, so just sit back and watch, if its the end open your arms and welcome death if it suits you, or run off and try conjuring this that and the next thing. But in reality you can't do a damn thing about it unless you can change peoples opinions but...would you really have the power or want to do this? Mass manipulation? Doubt it, but why not give it a shot if it keeps your mind off shit, yeah?
Besides, being honest. I really do feel like a change, this worlds too...mmm...meh...really. I think its about time things changed really, don't you? Don't worry about it, i'm sure it'll be a painless 'end' - Supernova, comet, bio-terrorism, nuclear holocaust. Okay so not all of them are painless, but you get the idea.
Its odd though...you know that someday your going to die..yet when its blatantly thrown in your face via emotions or however you 'felt' it...you go and get all paranoid. Tis...quite...strange when you think about it.
JaNe
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Original post: agentkilljoy
If it really is the end of the world what do you think will happen? This is a very simple question for me to answer. I believe that anew world will come about just like with reincarnation and that through this end our souls will learn something new. What do the rest of you think?
If it really is the end of the world what do you think will happen? This is a very simple question for me to answer. I believe that anew world will come about just like with reincarnation and that through this end our souls will learn something new. What do the rest of you think?
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Original post: darkshadow
[QUOTE=agentkilljoy]If it really is the end of the world what do you think will happen? This is a very simple question for me to answer. I believe that anew world will come about just like with reincarnation and that through this end our souls will learn something new. What do the rest of you think?[/QUOTE] :twisted: The world as we know it will end. Does this mean that all humans will die? No it does not. Humans will continue on into the new world and hopefully we will respect each other more than we do now. I have known that this world will end in my lifetime for most of my life and to all those that say that I'm afraid of death let me put you straight, I am not afraid to die because I know I am more than this physical body. Death could come and take me tonight and I won't fear it but you can bet that I will fight it. Now back to the end of this world. Within the last few months I have slowly been coming to the conclusion that this world will end in a mystical war. This mystical war will be fought between a dark force that is mainly ignorance, and those of us who are not ignorant. This mainly comes from my dreams I have had and if I'm interpreting them right then upon my death and the death of two others, a seal that is holding back most of this darkness will be broken. I saw in my dreams three crystal-like tubes with girls inside of them holding back this darkness. I know alot of you will ridicule me for this but I don't care. These girls one was about 12 or 13 years old and the other two were I think like 17 or 18 years old and identical twins. Now these three were sisters and I believe that I was the younger one. I think that when we used magic to create the seal that we had to encase our bodies in the crystal-like tubes and find or create new bodies. In our new bodies, the ones we currently inhabit, we are pretty much cut off from magic so as to maintain the seal. Sorry about the rant but I felt compelled to write it as I think it does pertain to the end of this world. Well if any of you have any questions you'd like to ask me feel free. If it pertains to the end of the world as I see it then by all means ask them here. If it's anything else with my dreams feel free to pm me. :twisted:
[QUOTE=agentkilljoy]If it really is the end of the world what do you think will happen? This is a very simple question for me to answer. I believe that anew world will come about just like with reincarnation and that through this end our souls will learn something new. What do the rest of you think?[/QUOTE] :twisted: The world as we know it will end. Does this mean that all humans will die? No it does not. Humans will continue on into the new world and hopefully we will respect each other more than we do now. I have known that this world will end in my lifetime for most of my life and to all those that say that I'm afraid of death let me put you straight, I am not afraid to die because I know I am more than this physical body. Death could come and take me tonight and I won't fear it but you can bet that I will fight it. Now back to the end of this world. Within the last few months I have slowly been coming to the conclusion that this world will end in a mystical war. This mystical war will be fought between a dark force that is mainly ignorance, and those of us who are not ignorant. This mainly comes from my dreams I have had and if I'm interpreting them right then upon my death and the death of two others, a seal that is holding back most of this darkness will be broken. I saw in my dreams three crystal-like tubes with girls inside of them holding back this darkness. I know alot of you will ridicule me for this but I don't care. These girls one was about 12 or 13 years old and the other two were I think like 17 or 18 years old and identical twins. Now these three were sisters and I believe that I was the younger one. I think that when we used magic to create the seal that we had to encase our bodies in the crystal-like tubes and find or create new bodies. In our new bodies, the ones we currently inhabit, we are pretty much cut off from magic so as to maintain the seal. Sorry about the rant but I felt compelled to write it as I think it does pertain to the end of this world. Well if any of you have any questions you'd like to ask me feel free. If it pertains to the end of the world as I see it then by all means ask them here. If it's anything else with my dreams feel free to pm me. :twisted:
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Original post: Anathema_Oracle
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Original post: darkshadow
:twisted: I knew some if not a lot of people would think I'm crazy for posting what I did but those are my thoughts. You can either take them of leave them. I'm not going to try to force you to believe me. If you think I'm crazy so be it. Go ahead and say it, though it may be better to say it in a pm than in the thread. I don't want anybody getting banned or this thread locked. My dream repeated last night so I'm even more convinced that I've interpreted my dream correctly. The end of this world is coming soon and hopefully it will be a lot better on the other side of the change. This change will be painful for all including the planet but it's growing pains. :twisted:
:twisted: I knew some if not a lot of people would think I'm crazy for posting what I did but those are my thoughts. You can either take them of leave them. I'm not going to try to force you to believe me. If you think I'm crazy so be it. Go ahead and say it, though it may be better to say it in a pm than in the thread. I don't want anybody getting banned or this thread locked. My dream repeated last night so I'm even more convinced that I've interpreted my dream correctly. The end of this world is coming soon and hopefully it will be a lot better on the other side of the change. This change will be painful for all including the planet but it's growing pains. :twisted:
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Original post: agentkilljoy
I agree with the fact that one day a war will breakout between the ignorant and the those which are not. As for it happening in our life time, all I can say is that if it does humans are the cause.The world as we know it will end. Does this mean that all humans will die? No it does not. Humans will continue on into the new world and hopefully we will respect each other more than we do now. I have known that this world will end in my lifetime for most of my life and to all those that say that I'm afraid of death let me put you straight, I am not afraid to die because I know I am more than this physical body. Death could come and take me tonight and I won't fear it but you can bet that I will fight it. Now back to the end of this world. Within the last few months I have slowly been coming to the conclusion that this world will end in a mystical war. This mystical war will be fought between a dark force that is mainly ignorance, and those of us who are not ignorant. This mainly comes from my dreams I have had and if I'm interpreting them right then upon my death and the death of two others, a seal that is holding back most of this darkness will be broken. I saw in my dreams three crystal-like tubes with girls inside of them holding back this darkness. I know alot of you will ridicule me for this but I don't care. These girls one was about 12 or 13 years old and the other two were I think like 17 or 18 years old and identical twins. Now these three were sisters and I believe that I was the younger one. I think that when we used magic to create the seal that we had to encase our bodies in the crystal-like tubes and find or create new bodies. In our new bodies, the ones we currently inhabit, we are pretty much cut off from magic so as to maintain the seal. Sorry about the rant but I felt compelled to write it as I think it does pertain to the end of this world. Well if any of you have any questions you'd like to ask me feel free. If it pertains to the end of the world as I see it then by all means ask them here. If it's anything else with my dreams feel free to pm me.
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Original post: Belzedek
the end is ever but a breath away
the end is ever but a breath away