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Hey. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I played with my consciousness last night. I smoked 5x extract of Salvia D. Once I inhaled the second hit, I remembered what I previously experienced in my expeditions with Salvia- my face seemed to turn and twist; I felt that my mouth was being eaten from the inside; and more. But I saw people, as I always do when I smoke salvia. Everytime I smoke SD I see these people who are always in a rush to do something. I live with my dad, and I am paranoid about smoking maurijuana or anything else around the house because I am afraid he will find me. Even though I am an adult, he and the rest of my family thinks I stopped abusing drugs six years ago. I did- I consider what I am doing now entheogen use, not drug abuse as I did when I was in High School.
So the people I see always try to have me clean up something and get ready because my dad is on his way to find me. There is a direct correlation with my fear of my dad finding me smoking "drugs" and the people rushing me to regain my composure and pretend I am sober. I usually smoke in the garage. I lost my composure. I turned out the lights, lit a candle, and sat myself on a meditative cushion in order to ensure a safe, spiritual trip. Doorways started to open to new worlds, but they weren't anything magnificent, or anything hellish. They were miscellaneous worlds that seemed to carry no significance.
Throughout the trip I had lost all sense of myself and my purpose for smoking this herb. After five minutes of seeing these people scare me and rush me, they diminished within seconds. I was left with the feeling that I failed my mission. I didn't direct my trip as I do when I ingest morning glory. Salvia changes my consciousness like no other plant. I want to go back, not because it was fun, but because I can't quit; I can't give up. I look at this as an obstacle, a barrier that I must overcome. Actually, I really dislike the Salvia trip. But I am planning a DMT trip within the next couple of months. I want to master Salvia before I try DMT. But then again, I am not sure whether that is necessary.
There is not way I could control those people, or even communicate with them. They were so rushed and hurried, sending me a bombardment of telepathic messages. I had no composure, and I went to bed that night feeling depressed. Perhaps I need a sitter.
Anyway, thanks man, for helping me with everything thus far. I have been extremely busy with school. Hopefully I can keep in touch more often.
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Original post: Ludi
Thanks for sharing this. I would love to see more details about the people and the worlds you experienced, if possible. Also, what was your goal or intent for this experience, or did you have a goal?
You mention your use of Morning Glory - I don't remember if you've shared about your experiences with it, if you haven't, could you post some in the Morning Glory thread, especially about dosages and how you ingest it? Thanks.
Thanks for sharing this. I would love to see more details about the people and the worlds you experienced, if possible. Also, what was your goal or intent for this experience, or did you have a goal?
You mention your use of Morning Glory - I don't remember if you've shared about your experiences with it, if you haven't, could you post some in the Morning Glory thread, especially about dosages and how you ingest it? Thanks.
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Original post: Ra-Razal
This is interesting. When I smoked salvia with a friend one night out in his car, I had a similiar experience. Out in the woods about 20 feet away was this woman with black hair and a redshirt with a jean jacket over it. except she wasn't really there. She disapeared in seconds after I regained touch with reality. She was just staring at me smiling. It was kind of creepy.
This is interesting. When I smoked salvia with a friend one night out in his car, I had a similiar experience. Out in the woods about 20 feet away was this woman with black hair and a redshirt with a jean jacket over it. except she wasn't really there. She disapeared in seconds after I regained touch with reality. She was just staring at me smiling. It was kind of creepy.
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Original post: die before death
Set and Setting man!
thats all.
Messing with mind and reality when the parents are home, or anyone is around, always bums me out at one point or another.
Its all about unplugging the phone and locking the doors and everyone who would bother ya being on vacation somewhere or something.
If thats not done I usually have a similar experience at times, with my worries magnified and my intent being forgotten.
Ive come to take it as poetic justice, if I cant create a suitable physical environment or find one, how could I expect the same of myself in a psychedelic realm?
Set and Setting man!
thats all.
Messing with mind and reality when the parents are home, or anyone is around, always bums me out at one point or another.
Its all about unplugging the phone and locking the doors and everyone who would bother ya being on vacation somewhere or something.
If thats not done I usually have a similar experience at times, with my worries magnified and my intent being forgotten.
Ive come to take it as poetic justice, if I cant create a suitable physical environment or find one, how could I expect the same of myself in a psychedelic realm?
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Original post: hallucinogen2
I'll share my MG experience later. It is a very long and intricate story.
I'll share my MG experience later. It is a very long and intricate story.
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Original post: Datari
I personally have never smoked salvia, however I would like to try it, but my friend was smoking one time and just started talking "jibberish" to nobody. It lasted a few minutes. When he came to, he had said he was in a tunnel with "greys" (the grey aliens) and they were talking to him and he was talking back to them and they warned him to get off the planet because they were planning a full frontal assault and then they zapped him back to the room.
I personally have never smoked salvia, however I would like to try it, but my friend was smoking one time and just started talking "jibberish" to nobody. It lasted a few minutes. When he came to, he had said he was in a tunnel with "greys" (the grey aliens) and they were talking to him and he was talking back to them and they warned him to get off the planet because they were planning a full frontal assault and then they zapped him back to the room.
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Original post: Daleth
If you can't control yourself, then the drugs are controlling you.
ie, a strong mind is able to control the drug experience and direct where it's going, while the weak mind follows the drug around and does as it is asked.
It's best to have a strong mind before playing with psychadelics of any sort, even the weak salvia sort. When I take psychadelics, normally shrooms or LSD, there is part of my mind that directs the experience toward where I need or want to go. There is not a moment where I don't control everything I see and do without some sober part of me acknowledging and allowing the loss of control.
If you can't control yourself, then the drugs are controlling you.
ie, a strong mind is able to control the drug experience and direct where it's going, while the weak mind follows the drug around and does as it is asked.
It's best to have a strong mind before playing with psychadelics of any sort, even the weak salvia sort. When I take psychadelics, normally shrooms or LSD, there is part of my mind that directs the experience toward where I need or want to go. There is not a moment where I don't control everything I see and do without some sober part of me acknowledging and allowing the loss of control.
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LSD, Morning Glory, Mescaline, Shrooms, all those are fairly easy for me to control. But Salvia is just so different. Her Spirit is so strong, I am drawn to go back and back until I can gain some control to direct the exerience.
LSD, Morning Glory, Mescaline, Shrooms, all those are fairly easy for me to control. But Salvia is just so different. Her Spirit is so strong, I am drawn to go back and back until I can gain some control to direct the exerience.
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Original post: Sud Ram
[QUOTE=Daleth]a strong mind is able to control the drug experience and direct where it's going, while the weak mind follows the drug around and does as it is asked[/QUOTE]
I agree with this particular statement but place a very different, if not antagonistic value on the mind.
I believe a strong mind will prevent you from experiencing the teaching if the plant whilst an apparently "weak" one will create the space for the learning to take place as you trust the plant and let go of your ego/desire of control.
I see this as valid with plants only, chemicals should be minimally controlled as they have no direct connection to a natural spirit. This is why I don't work with chemicals anymore.
[QUOTE=Daleth]a strong mind is able to control the drug experience and direct where it's going, while the weak mind follows the drug around and does as it is asked[/QUOTE]
I agree with this particular statement but place a very different, if not antagonistic value on the mind.
I believe a strong mind will prevent you from experiencing the teaching if the plant whilst an apparently "weak" one will create the space for the learning to take place as you trust the plant and let go of your ego/desire of control.
I see this as valid with plants only, chemicals should be minimally controlled as they have no direct connection to a natural spirit. This is why I don't work with chemicals anymore.
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I like that Sud Ram. Let the plant take you were it wants you to go. I will think of this during my next trip with Salvia. Thanks.
I like that Sud Ram. Let the plant take you were it wants you to go. I will think of this during my next trip with Salvia. Thanks.
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Original post: Indigo Sky
I hate to see you waste your life away with drugs. There are other ways to have great experiences and see other worlds without taking drugs. Im just concerned for your health but its your decision. If you would like help on this let me know ok, good luck to you otherwise.
I hate to see you waste your life away with drugs. There are other ways to have great experiences and see other worlds without taking drugs. Im just concerned for your health but its your decision. If you would like help on this let me know ok, good luck to you otherwise.
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Indigo Sky,
These are not drugs but entheogens. If I were doing LSD, PCP, heroin, crack, or alcohol I would see your point. Salvia D, Morning Glory, mushrooms, peyote, and the like have no long term affects on the body or brain. These are non-addicting. I appreciate your concern, but you do not strike me as being very intelligent concerning the topic of entheogenic substances. I am not attacking you or insulting you, but from what I read you should do more research on this topic
Indigo Sky,
These are not drugs but entheogens. If I were doing LSD, PCP, heroin, crack, or alcohol I would see your point. Salvia D, Morning Glory, mushrooms, peyote, and the like have no long term affects on the body or brain. These are non-addicting. I appreciate your concern, but you do not strike me as being very intelligent concerning the topic of entheogenic substances. I am not attacking you or insulting you, but from what I read you should do more research on this topic
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That is, unless you eat the famed evil red magic mushroom, then you're in for a liver-destroying slow death. But I agree, use the drugs if you feel like you can handle them or if you feel you can use them to your advantage. Don't say "I want to use them or I need to use them." That might build up a physical dependency. But all in all, if you fight a comfortable drug of choice and you know the consequences, let you be on with it. If someone came up to you and was like "CRACK, $20!!", would you immediately hand them the money, knowing it in extremely dangerous to the mind and body? But what if you were in Mexico, and met some shamans that offered you Divinorum or Peyote? They are experienced, and I hope trustworthy. It's all about what you feel like; Are you feeling like you have to use them? Or are you feeling like it will help you in the long run? Know the consequences and do as you choose I think.
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--Looking back on that, it sounds like a bunch of repeated gibberish. Correct me with any suggestions and comments please. I'm tired with a can of Minute Maid Lemonade, I'm not in the most thought-provoking mood right now.
That is, unless you eat the famed evil red magic mushroom, then you're in for a liver-destroying slow death. But I agree, use the drugs if you feel like you can handle them or if you feel you can use them to your advantage. Don't say "I want to use them or I need to use them." That might build up a physical dependency. But all in all, if you fight a comfortable drug of choice and you know the consequences, let you be on with it. If someone came up to you and was like "CRACK, $20!!", would you immediately hand them the money, knowing it in extremely dangerous to the mind and body? But what if you were in Mexico, and met some shamans that offered you Divinorum or Peyote? They are experienced, and I hope trustworthy. It's all about what you feel like; Are you feeling like you have to use them? Or are you feeling like it will help you in the long run? Know the consequences and do as you choose I think.
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--Looking back on that, it sounds like a bunch of repeated gibberish. Correct me with any suggestions and comments please. I'm tired with a can of Minute Maid Lemonade, I'm not in the most thought-provoking mood right now.
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Original post: LSVPA
Unfortunately, I am of the (quite rare , 1/20) type that salvia has little to no effect on. I've tried smoking up to 20X, and the effects at that range were quite minor, almost like a dream comming on, or a storm raging, a beautiful female voice singing, lulling. But that was all. It may be, and this is something that has been reported, that it may take me several times at the 20X range to get an effect. The 3 times thus far has had little. Meanwhile, a friend, who took it right before me, was completely ashponglefuct. What I have found interesting, about this female voice, is that many do not mention it at all, but when the ally of salvia is spoken about, it is definately a She.
Unfortunately, I am of the (quite rare , 1/20) type that salvia has little to no effect on. I've tried smoking up to 20X, and the effects at that range were quite minor, almost like a dream comming on, or a storm raging, a beautiful female voice singing, lulling. But that was all. It may be, and this is something that has been reported, that it may take me several times at the 20X range to get an effect. The 3 times thus far has had little. Meanwhile, a friend, who took it right before me, was completely ashponglefuct. What I have found interesting, about this female voice, is that many do not mention it at all, but when the ally of salvia is spoken about, it is definately a She.
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Original post: 93Pryme
Actually I've read about alot of people that see a female prescence. Usually like a Mother Earth or Faerie figure. Usually she's very welcoming and placcid and seems to invite the users to feel safe in her care. So maybe she has a bond with you or maybe she wants you to be in her as other users. Now as fluffy as that sounds, I think it's completely possible. BTW, I'm sorry you don't have any effects. Did you heat it up high enough? Have you tried the quid method? Just some questions before bed.
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Actually I've read about alot of people that see a female prescence. Usually like a Mother Earth or Faerie figure. Usually she's very welcoming and placcid and seems to invite the users to feel safe in her care. So maybe she has a bond with you or maybe she wants you to be in her as other users. Now as fluffy as that sounds, I think it's completely possible. BTW, I'm sorry you don't have any effects. Did you heat it up high enough? Have you tried the quid method? Just some questions before bed.
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