Original post: Ludi
Has anyone here used opium? I don't mean heroin, I mean good old fashioned Romantic opium, taken either as laudanum or smoked. What were the effects?
Has anyone grown it? Made their own laudanum?
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Original post: pathless
YES YES and YES
It is very easy to grow,but very hard to get a good amount of opium...you need a shit load of pods slice them the next day you are lucky if 10 pods sliced the day before give you one good boogers worth, the seeds are very cheap...compared to pot seed banks in Europe.WAVES OF BLISS IS THE EFFECT laudanum is nasty but also easy to make.For me its come down to boiling steam pod and all then smoke
YES YES and YES
It is very easy to grow,but very hard to get a good amount of opium...you need a shit load of pods slice them the next day you are lucky if 10 pods sliced the day before give you one good boogers worth, the seeds are very cheap...compared to pot seed banks in Europe.WAVES OF BLISS IS THE EFFECT laudanum is nasty but also easy to make.For me its come down to boiling steam pod and all then smoke
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Original post: 9~6~3
I've smoked opium before, though all it did was make me very sleepy and quite grumpy really. Tastes horrid.
Give it a try if you're interested though. I have a lot of strange physiological responses to drugs, so I know my experience with it would probably not be yours. I'm allergic to pot, as an example.
Just remember kids- Never take more than you can handle, and always know your dealer. :mrgreen:
I've smoked opium before, though all it did was make me very sleepy and quite grumpy really. Tastes horrid.
Give it a try if you're interested though. I have a lot of strange physiological responses to drugs, so I know my experience with it would probably not be yours. I'm allergic to pot, as an example.
Just remember kids- Never take more than you can handle, and always know your dealer. :mrgreen:
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Original post: Ceriel Nosforit
Isn't opium a downer? Music out of ambient noise, etc?
And not to ruin anyone's fun, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with seeing so many threads related to chemicals in this forum. In my mind, things astral, trance and psionics are not really related to the subject. It seems a very common thing for people to use psychadelics in order to visit the astral and beyond, and while I don't have a problem with this, it seems so common that people neglect that projecting is a skill and art. The dimensions of emotion and mind, places where sentient beings live lives, become the effect of a drug and thus impose on their own reality.
Also, when one projects, the subtler aspects of one's body is very hard at work. Most projectors practice some form energy workout because of this, as not to do damage to themselves. The first time I projected my forhead was pounding like a jackhammer and there was an immense noise in my ears as if I had put my head in a jet-engine. I felt as if I quaked, so violently that I lost all sense of direction. Without the energy work, something would have surely broken.
If someone unprepared takes a strong DMT hit and explores Akasha for a few hours, then there will be damage. Damage can be repaired, and is repaired, but repeated use without letting the energy body heal is bound to end in disaster. When projecting naturally, you won't be able to make an exit if your energy body is broken, so it is an automatic safety-mechanism. With chemicals, the safety seems to be bypassed.
I've probably made my point, so I'll stop ranting. Heh.
Isn't opium a downer? Music out of ambient noise, etc?
And not to ruin anyone's fun, but I'm a bit uncomfortable with seeing so many threads related to chemicals in this forum. In my mind, things astral, trance and psionics are not really related to the subject. It seems a very common thing for people to use psychadelics in order to visit the astral and beyond, and while I don't have a problem with this, it seems so common that people neglect that projecting is a skill and art. The dimensions of emotion and mind, places where sentient beings live lives, become the effect of a drug and thus impose on their own reality.
Also, when one projects, the subtler aspects of one's body is very hard at work. Most projectors practice some form energy workout because of this, as not to do damage to themselves. The first time I projected my forhead was pounding like a jackhammer and there was an immense noise in my ears as if I had put my head in a jet-engine. I felt as if I quaked, so violently that I lost all sense of direction. Without the energy work, something would have surely broken.
If someone unprepared takes a strong DMT hit and explores Akasha for a few hours, then there will be damage. Damage can be repaired, and is repaired, but repeated use without letting the energy body heal is bound to end in disaster. When projecting naturally, you won't be able to make an exit if your energy body is broken, so it is an automatic safety-mechanism. With chemicals, the safety seems to be bypassed.
I've probably made my point, so I'll stop ranting. Heh.
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Original post: pathless
Maybe because it s in the topic of this particular forum USE OF DRUGS I feel there is a place for Mushrooms Opium and Pot theyve been around longer than Astral and Pisonics. Or have they?
Im sorry for the physical pain you expirence after projecting....maybe a cup of Poppy tea will help you feel better
http://www.poppies.org/
Maybe because it s in the topic of this particular forum USE OF DRUGS I feel there is a place for Mushrooms Opium and Pot theyve been around longer than Astral and Pisonics. Or have they?
Im sorry for the physical pain you expirence after projecting....maybe a cup of Poppy tea will help you feel better
http://www.poppies.org/
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Original post: Ludi
Well, a simple solution to the problem of entheogenic threads is - don't read them. This is a subject which is quite compelling to me at the moment, so I'm posting a lot about it. There's no other forum at OF devoted to use of psychoactive herbs, so here I post.
Well, a simple solution to the problem of entheogenic threads is - don't read them. This is a subject which is quite compelling to me at the moment, so I'm posting a lot about it. There's no other forum at OF devoted to use of psychoactive herbs, so here I post.
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Original post: Ceriel Nosforit
Sounds like you both took my rant personally and missed my point. I tried to express my concern. - Not tell anyone what or what not to do.
Pathless, I didn't experience pain after projecting. I didn't experience it before either. Pain never entered the equation, which I probably should have pointed out. It was the exit-sypmtoms which I described, and they were as strong as they were because my energy body wasn't fully developed.
The actual projection was the most intense I ever had, and when I first entered the Real-Time zone I was not sure if I was physically or astrally there. It wasn't until I spotted some subjectivity in my surrounding that I was convinced, and downright sure when I saw my body sleeping on my bed. Then after I had accidentally woken up my body and was talking with it I was so confused that I didn't know what to think. Defenitly one of the weirdest experiences of my life... My physical 'I' made snide comments as I attempted to fly... Bastard.
Sounds like you both took my rant personally and missed my point. I tried to express my concern. - Not tell anyone what or what not to do.
Pathless, I didn't experience pain after projecting. I didn't experience it before either. Pain never entered the equation, which I probably should have pointed out. It was the exit-sypmtoms which I described, and they were as strong as they were because my energy body wasn't fully developed.
The actual projection was the most intense I ever had, and when I first entered the Real-Time zone I was not sure if I was physically or astrally there. It wasn't until I spotted some subjectivity in my surrounding that I was convinced, and downright sure when I saw my body sleeping on my bed. Then after I had accidentally woken up my body and was talking with it I was so confused that I didn't know what to think. Defenitly one of the weirdest experiences of my life... My physical 'I' made snide comments as I attempted to fly... Bastard.
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Original post: Ludi
Hmm, well, seeing as I've been the one posting so many of the "drug" threads, natch I took it - as you put it - personally. But not in a bad way, hence the smilie. Notice the smilie?
Hmm, well, seeing as I've been the one posting so many of the "drug" threads, natch I took it - as you put it - personally. But not in a bad way, hence the smilie. Notice the smilie?
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Original post: Ceriel Nosforit
Yes. I noticed. However, I know that it is an efter-thought you felt you needed to include as to soften up the tone of your post. I've done it myself many times.
I do appreciate the gesture.
Yes. I noticed. However, I know that it is an efter-thought you felt you needed to include as to soften up the tone of your post. I've done it myself many times.
I do appreciate the gesture.
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Original post: Ludi
Not really, but whatever.... :p
Not really, but whatever.... :p
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Original post: Will B. Dunn
I've tried opium. It made me feel good. I don't recall anything particularly amazing.
And Ceriel Nosforit- I appreciate you sharing your experiences and cautions. I agree that damage can be done by prematurely entering other realms using drugs. Of course, people are free to make their own choices and react as they will to words of advice (I know how I react when people try to tell me what to do is not always pleasant). I doubt very much that permanent damage can be done in just one instance of use, but it may be possible (especially depending on the chemicals used). The most important thing with such experimentation is to be informed of all possibilities before making a decision, and know that one bears the consequences of one's actions.
I've tried opium. It made me feel good. I don't recall anything particularly amazing.
And Ceriel Nosforit- I appreciate you sharing your experiences and cautions. I agree that damage can be done by prematurely entering other realms using drugs. Of course, people are free to make their own choices and react as they will to words of advice (I know how I react when people try to tell me what to do is not always pleasant). I doubt very much that permanent damage can be done in just one instance of use, but it may be possible (especially depending on the chemicals used). The most important thing with such experimentation is to be informed of all possibilities before making a decision, and know that one bears the consequences of one's actions.
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Original post: Ludi
Absolutely, Will. I agree wholeheartedly. No one should ingest drugs without doing a great deal of research. And start small, very small.
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ODing on opium can cause one to stop breathing, leading to death.
Absolutely, Will. I agree wholeheartedly. No one should ingest drugs without doing a great deal of research. And start small, very small.
Edited to add:
ODing on opium can cause one to stop breathing, leading to death.
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If posting topics on psychoactive substances is such a nuisance (spelling?), maybe http://www.occultforums.com should consider creating another section dedicated to the art of achieving altered states of consciousness. It would include entheogens, meditation, fasting, sleep deprivation, and the hundred different ways humans have created to alter their states of consciousness. It would still pertain to magick and science, but it would be less distracting to those who simply want astral info on this forum. I realize that entheogenic compounds are not off limits in this forum, but if it is troublesome, then maybe we can pull a couple of strings to the moderators to create a new section entitled "altered states of consciousness" or something to that effect. This would also include dreams and dream interpretation as well. Just a suggestion.
If posting topics on psychoactive substances is such a nuisance (spelling?), maybe http://www.occultforums.com should consider creating another section dedicated to the art of achieving altered states of consciousness. It would include entheogens, meditation, fasting, sleep deprivation, and the hundred different ways humans have created to alter their states of consciousness. It would still pertain to magick and science, but it would be less distracting to those who simply want astral info on this forum. I realize that entheogenic compounds are not off limits in this forum, but if it is troublesome, then maybe we can pull a couple of strings to the moderators to create a new section entitled "altered states of consciousness" or something to that effect. This would also include dreams and dream interpretation as well. Just a suggestion.
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Original post: Ceriel Nosforit
[QUOTE=hallucinogen2]If posting topics on psychoactive substances is such a nuisance (spelling?), maybe http://www.occultforums.com should consider creating another section dedicated to the art of achieving altered states of consciousness. It would include entheogens, meditation, fasting, sleep deprivation, and the hundred different ways humans have created to alter their states of consciousness. It would still pertain to magick and science, but it would be less distracting to those who simply want astral info on this forum. I realize that entheogenic compounds are not off limits in this forum, but if it is troublesome, then maybe we can pull a couple of strings to the moderators to create a new section entitled "altered states of consciousness" or something to that effect. This would also include dreams and dream interpretation as well. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ceriel Nosforit]I tried to express my concern. - Not tell anyone what or what not to do.[/QUOTE]
I know I'm diverting from the pack, but when I express an opinion I'm aware that it is just that; an opinion, and nothing more.
[QUOTE=hallucinogen2]If posting topics on psychoactive substances is such a nuisance (spelling?), maybe http://www.occultforums.com should consider creating another section dedicated to the art of achieving altered states of consciousness. It would include entheogens, meditation, fasting, sleep deprivation, and the hundred different ways humans have created to alter their states of consciousness. It would still pertain to magick and science, but it would be less distracting to those who simply want astral info on this forum. I realize that entheogenic compounds are not off limits in this forum, but if it is troublesome, then maybe we can pull a couple of strings to the moderators to create a new section entitled "altered states of consciousness" or something to that effect. This would also include dreams and dream interpretation as well. Just a suggestion.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ceriel Nosforit]I tried to express my concern. - Not tell anyone what or what not to do.[/QUOTE]
I know I'm diverting from the pack, but when I express an opinion I'm aware that it is just that; an opinion, and nothing more.
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Original post: Jenfucius
Hypothetically I knew someone that grew opium.
From what I hear its the cultivation of the latex thats a pain in the butt. You dont get a whole lot of raw opium per plant (low yield) and its a waiting game. You just have to make several slits per day untyil you can collect enough raw material.
Although one has to be absolutly certain with how much one takes and how often taken to avoid addiction.
Hypothetically I knew someone that grew opium.
From what I hear its the cultivation of the latex thats a pain in the butt. You dont get a whole lot of raw opium per plant (low yield) and its a waiting game. You just have to make several slits per day untyil you can collect enough raw material.
Although one has to be absolutly certain with how much one takes and how often taken to avoid addiction.
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Original post: Nalyd23
[QUOTE=Ludi]Well, a simple solution to the problem of entheogenic threads is - don't read them.[/QUOTE]Well technically this is not an "entheogenic thread" because Opium does not fall under that category. It is NOT a psychedelic drug/entheogen, it is a narcotic which dulls the senses and kills pain like all narcotics. It does nothing to expand consciousness and open perception to pick up things you don't normally pick up. And, like ALL narcotics, it is highly addictive. Entheogens have not been proven to be addictive at all, of course it is illegal to test that scientifically.
[QUOTE=Ludi]Well, a simple solution to the problem of entheogenic threads is - don't read them.[/QUOTE]Well technically this is not an "entheogenic thread" because Opium does not fall under that category. It is NOT a psychedelic drug/entheogen, it is a narcotic which dulls the senses and kills pain like all narcotics. It does nothing to expand consciousness and open perception to pick up things you don't normally pick up. And, like ALL narcotics, it is highly addictive. Entheogens have not been proven to be addictive at all, of course it is illegal to test that scientifically.
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Original post: Ludi
I'm sorry, you are correct, Nalyd. You're the little eyeball on my shoulder, making sure to find me anywhere on the board and point out my errors.
I'm sorry, you are correct, Nalyd.
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Original post: Artemis
I have smoked opium, which made me very... um, I guess I would say 'disconnected' from myself. I remember a feeling of extreme peace and felt as if I were floating, but my body kept dragging me down...but then after a certain amount of time, I started to think my heart was fighting to get out of my chest, I couldn't breathe and I started to get paranoid and ruined the whole thing. :shock: Needless to say, that was the last time I smoked it.
I have smoked opium, which made me very... um, I guess I would say 'disconnected' from myself. I remember a feeling of extreme peace and felt as if I were floating, but my body kept dragging me down...but then after a certain amount of time, I started to think my heart was fighting to get out of my chest, I couldn't breathe and I started to get paranoid and ruined the whole thing. :shock: Needless to say, that was the last time I smoked it.