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Original post: Darkwater
[QUOTE=Naomi Chan;270904]I said it, once - right after I kissed death on the lips.[/QUOTE]
Aye,where were your hands?
Eh,I had only heard of "Ptah" as the first breath which created the Universe,the sphinx being a map of,at the time of the breaking of Atom,start of the big bulge,collapsed universe & new universe.Ptaaaaahhhhhhh.even reminds me of a grand substitute word?
How did Ptah die?assassinated?shagged out:)
[QUOTE=Naomi Chan;270904]I said it, once - right after I kissed death on the lips.[/QUOTE]
Aye,where were your hands?
Eh,I had only heard of "Ptah" as the first breath which created the Universe,the sphinx being a map of,at the time of the breaking of Atom,start of the big bulge,collapsed universe & new universe.Ptaaaaahhhhhhh.even reminds me of a grand substitute word?
How did Ptah die?assassinated?shagged out:)
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Original post: Naomi Chan
[QUOTE=Darkwater;270930]Aye,where were your hands?
Eh,I had only heard of "Ptah" as the first breath which created the Universe,the sphinx being a map of,at the time of the breaking of Atom,start of the big bulge,collapsed universe & new universe.Ptaaaaahhhhhhh.even reminds me of a grand substitute word?
How did Ptah die?assassinated?shagged out:)[/QUOTE]
I don't even think I could say it again if I tried. But I knew then it was the proper pronunciation of Ptah's name as the architect of the universe. I could do a similar sound on camera if you like.
pTah never dies ^_^
hands above my head!
[QUOTE=Darkwater;270930]Aye,where were your hands?
Eh,I had only heard of "Ptah" as the first breath which created the Universe,the sphinx being a map of,at the time of the breaking of Atom,start of the big bulge,collapsed universe & new universe.Ptaaaaahhhhhhh.even reminds me of a grand substitute word?
How did Ptah die?assassinated?shagged out:)[/QUOTE]
I don't even think I could say it again if I tried. But I knew then it was the proper pronunciation of Ptah's name as the architect of the universe. I could do a similar sound on camera if you like.
pTah never dies ^_^
hands above my head!
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Original post: Nylphenia
i was chosen. i knew nothing of the goddess (hecate) that chose me, and the name i was given in the trance was different then the normal name used (different spelling) most of the symbolism given to me (over the course of a year) was hard to find. as i did my research i found most of what she provided me with was found within the titan information rather then the greek and then into the roman pantheons. But she defiantly made herself known to me and i had to figure out who she was. i chose to let her into my life from there and have developed a very close working relationship with her. She brought me to Helios as a counter balance to her aspects and Helios and I accepted each other. again - I did not know anything about Helios when she introduced him to me, only in later research did i figure out who and what he was. also - the rituals used to initiate me to both of them, i knew nothing of till again - i did research after the fact.
several times i have tranced for other seekers wondering who they are connected to, signs and symbols given, names etc have been given to me, or actually channelling them to talk or give a message to the other person and when researched seem to fit with the person. it is then that person's choice to follow into the relationship with that god/goddess if they choose.
but it is defiantly a two way street. though an interesting experience, when zeus (again i did not know him, only in researching the huge golden eagle did i make the connection as to who he was) visited me as i sat at Hecate's tree (waiting to be guided down the steps) and flew off with him, she appeared and literally tore a strip up one side and down the other to never be in contact with me again as i was not for him to touch. she then took me into the cave under her tree and much more happened, but - it was interesting to say the least.
with all my experiences with the gods, as i was never interested in researching pantheons or knowing the gods.. in being contacted by them - there has been nothing in my past to base the experiences or know who they are upon. so every contact has been out of the blind in a way, no prior knowledge for my imagination, personal wants to guide my mind in creating them.
i was chosen. i knew nothing of the goddess (hecate) that chose me, and the name i was given in the trance was different then the normal name used (different spelling) most of the symbolism given to me (over the course of a year) was hard to find. as i did my research i found most of what she provided me with was found within the titan information rather then the greek and then into the roman pantheons. But she defiantly made herself known to me and i had to figure out who she was. i chose to let her into my life from there and have developed a very close working relationship with her. She brought me to Helios as a counter balance to her aspects and Helios and I accepted each other. again - I did not know anything about Helios when she introduced him to me, only in later research did i figure out who and what he was. also - the rituals used to initiate me to both of them, i knew nothing of till again - i did research after the fact.
several times i have tranced for other seekers wondering who they are connected to, signs and symbols given, names etc have been given to me, or actually channelling them to talk or give a message to the other person and when researched seem to fit with the person. it is then that person's choice to follow into the relationship with that god/goddess if they choose.
but it is defiantly a two way street. though an interesting experience, when zeus (again i did not know him, only in researching the huge golden eagle did i make the connection as to who he was) visited me as i sat at Hecate's tree (waiting to be guided down the steps) and flew off with him, she appeared and literally tore a strip up one side and down the other to never be in contact with me again as i was not for him to touch. she then took me into the cave under her tree and much more happened, but - it was interesting to say the least.
with all my experiences with the gods, as i was never interested in researching pantheons or knowing the gods.. in being contacted by them - there has been nothing in my past to base the experiences or know who they are upon. so every contact has been out of the blind in a way, no prior knowledge for my imagination, personal wants to guide my mind in creating them.
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Original post: Semangelof
This is sort of like "what came first the chicken or the egg"?
Lets say I start feeling a connection to Virgin Mary,
is it becouse I heard someone pray the rosary or is it
becouse Virgin Mary made me acknowledge the rosary
to inspire me to follow her current towards a certain
direction, give me guidance...
This is sort of like "what came first the chicken or the egg"?
Lets say I start feeling a connection to Virgin Mary,
is it becouse I heard someone pray the rosary or is it
becouse Virgin Mary made me acknowledge the rosary
to inspire me to follow her current towards a certain
direction, give me guidance...
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Original post: Gala
[QUOTE=Naomi Chan;270096]You dreamed about Ptah, mind elucidating the dream? I bet it's cool...[/QUOTE]
To cut down the story a bit (it's probably the longest dream I've ever remembered);
I'm in the desert in a patchy bit of plant/grass thing. A man (ptah) walks towards me but I am afraid and fall backwards. I run into the ruins of a temple by a pyramid, I climb the ruins into the pyramid and enter; along a dark narrow passageway I find a room in which Seth is sitting on a throne like chair in front of the beginning of another passageway, guarded by a man with a spear. Having recognised myself as part of the group, I return to the outside where Ptah is outside waiting, having tried to present himself before. Realising I have nothing to fear, I go to him and he beckons me to sit on the wall on the ruins with some others who have wax tablets on their laps, writing. He smiles at me and the dream ends.
It was the most golden, lucid, and brilliant dream I have ever had.
[QUOTE=Naomi Chan;270096]You dreamed about Ptah, mind elucidating the dream? I bet it's cool...[/QUOTE]
To cut down the story a bit (it's probably the longest dream I've ever remembered);
I'm in the desert in a patchy bit of plant/grass thing. A man (ptah) walks towards me but I am afraid and fall backwards. I run into the ruins of a temple by a pyramid, I climb the ruins into the pyramid and enter; along a dark narrow passageway I find a room in which Seth is sitting on a throne like chair in front of the beginning of another passageway, guarded by a man with a spear. Having recognised myself as part of the group, I return to the outside where Ptah is outside waiting, having tried to present himself before. Realising I have nothing to fear, I go to him and he beckons me to sit on the wall on the ruins with some others who have wax tablets on their laps, writing. He smiles at me and the dream ends.
It was the most golden, lucid, and brilliant dream I have ever had.
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Original post: Naomi Chan
Well you know, there's only one god of Europe, and that's Mithras. He's Hecate too. In a way that makes us sisters, Nylphenia. I include China in Europe. In China they called the Dragon - uh, I forgot. But in India he was also called Varuna. Yet that's incorrect. Varuna is Ningishzidda. The rest of the Northern world is Japan and the United State's love affair. Canada and Mexico are both part of the U.S. anyways, but Mexico is like the wife the US never took care of since he's so fixated on Japan. Mexico and Japan both really like each other though. And mexico is more dangerous. Cuz she's Ningishzidda's first wife. Lol on loan.
Dragons share!
Gala I think you're making that up. It doesn't work like that. Only Ningishzidda is there.
Oh yeah and Canada is like the United State's ditzy wife who never takes care of anything and the US spends WAY too much time with her.
South America is the goddess herself. That's where she lives.
Australia is Lord Coyote of course. Why do you think they're so crazy?! Steve Irwin was an avatar of Coyote. And when he died he went to be reborn. In Japan.
The Galapagos is the heart of magic. Hehe, it's very dark. You should probably bomb it. No that's not right! I'd put Ningishzidda there.
Well you know, there's only one god of Europe, and that's Mithras. He's Hecate too. In a way that makes us sisters, Nylphenia. I include China in Europe. In China they called the Dragon - uh, I forgot. But in India he was also called Varuna. Yet that's incorrect. Varuna is Ningishzidda. The rest of the Northern world is Japan and the United State's love affair. Canada and Mexico are both part of the U.S. anyways, but Mexico is like the wife the US never took care of since he's so fixated on Japan. Mexico and Japan both really like each other though. And mexico is more dangerous. Cuz she's Ningishzidda's first wife. Lol on loan.
Dragons share!
Gala I think you're making that up. It doesn't work like that. Only Ningishzidda is there.
Oh yeah and Canada is like the United State's ditzy wife who never takes care of anything and the US spends WAY too much time with her.
South America is the goddess herself. That's where she lives.
Australia is Lord Coyote of course. Why do you think they're so crazy?! Steve Irwin was an avatar of Coyote. And when he died he went to be reborn. In Japan.
The Galapagos is the heart of magic. Hehe, it's very dark. You should probably bomb it. No that's not right! I'd put Ningishzidda there.
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Everyone in Canada hates the US(Primarly president bush). Everyone in Mexico loves the US.
Canada is not part of the US however that is a misconception brought on only because of our geographic location
Everyone in Canada hates the US(Primarly president bush). Everyone in Mexico loves the US.
Canada is not part of the US however that is a misconception brought on only because of our geographic location
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Original post: Naomi Chan
Canadians are idiots. Bush is lame.
Mexico is a good wife.
Canada is a part of the US now. Because of Alaska.
Allah's KA
Make some sense of it. If United states reuinites with Mexico that makes a bridge to South America.
And I'M south america.
Canadians are idiots. Bush is lame.
Mexico is a good wife.
Canada is a part of the US now. Because of Alaska.
Allah's KA
Make some sense of it. If United states reuinites with Mexico that makes a bridge to South America.
And I'M south america.
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Original post: thefifthlord
I really must protest.
Canadians are not idiots!
Our leaders are idiots but we have no choice in the matter all of them are *EVIL* we are just trying our best to pick the lesser of the *EVILS*.
Sort of like america's 2 party system, we have no choice in the matter its either 1 or the other.
I really must protest.
Canadians are not idiots!
Our leaders are idiots but we have no choice in the matter all of them are *EVIL* we are just trying our best to pick the lesser of the *EVILS*.
Sort of like america's 2 party system, we have no choice in the matter its either 1 or the other.
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Original post: sami999x
I found out, in real life, last year that Skull & Bones is in Canada. So pretty soon our leaders in Canada are gonna be performing orgiastic, incestuous, and bisexual rituals in big piles of orgies (like in South Park) with their family members, just like American leaders do. And they'll be praying to their Bohemian Owl god. And they'll be kidnapping our babies and burning babies and sacrificing them to the Owl god. And we Canadians will then probably become as anti-Christian as America. And our votes will mean nothing, because either way, it always will be a guy who passed the orgiastic pile initiations.
I tried to make it sound as nasty as possible. Did I succeed? Don't take the above too seriously. :evil:
LMFAO....
I found out, in real life, last year that Skull & Bones is in Canada. So pretty soon our leaders in Canada are gonna be performing orgiastic, incestuous, and bisexual rituals in big piles of orgies (like in South Park) with their family members, just like American leaders do. And they'll be praying to their Bohemian Owl god. And they'll be kidnapping our babies and burning babies and sacrificing them to the Owl god. And we Canadians will then probably become as anti-Christian as America. And our votes will mean nothing, because either way, it always will be a guy who passed the orgiastic pile initiations.
I tried to make it sound as nasty as possible. Did I succeed? Don't take the above too seriously. :evil:
LMFAO....
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Next up, World Leaders - do you choose them, or do they choose you?
Next up, World Leaders - do you choose them, or do they choose you?
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Original post: Dracophoenix
I think it depends on the person. I think in some cases a person choses the dieties the follow while in other cases the diety choses them. When I was a kid before I ever went to Japan for the very first time. I dreamt of some of the kami (God/s. Megumi means Goddess/es) in the Shinto religion. They asked me if I would be one of their followers. They explained to me what this would entitle along with the Shinto beliefs. I had never read anything on Shinto beliefs prior to this dream. I agreed and when I got to Japan explored the shines and temples. Talked with the priests about the dream I had and asked them a ton of questions at nauseum. However my sister is Christian. Not because Jesus or the Christian god, or angels or saints but because she went with my cousin Dave one day to his Church. She liked the people and what she heard and saw so she chose to be Christian because of it. My friend Sarah had a near death experience in which she did not wish to die. The first thing she said was "God and Jesus please don't let me die" She didn't die of course & went from being a High Priestess of Aphrodite to becoming Christian as a result. A part of her still would like to be a High Priestess of Aphroite but she she puts it the posibilty of death made her choice for her.
Silverback2001;247487 wrote:This is something that I've been thinking about for a little while now. I have limited experience with working with deities in a multiple sense, however I have had a lot of experience working with Anubis. The story behind that is..odd to say the least, but my experiences have interested me in looking more deeply at the connection between deity and worshiper.
Who chooses who? Does the God/Goddess choose the person, based on similar characteristics to themselves, and nudge the person in their direction? Does the person just happen to find a God/Goddess that they decide to work with?
I'm asking this, because in my case it seems like it might be a bit of both. I had been hiking along some cliffs in a desert, when the path I was testing gave way, with me on it. I started falling down a cliff, but managed to grab ahold of a fist-sized rock, sticking out of the side. I tried to pull myself up multiple times, but failed. I had turned away from the Christian religion before then, had explored Wicca, but didn't think it was my cup of tea. Not knowing who I should call for divine aid, I started calling out names pantheon by pantheon. I went through the Greek pantheon, and got no reply, Roman, no reply, and was about half-way through what I knew of the Egyptian pantheon, when I finally called out to Anubis. It was strange.. I suddenly felt a surge of confidence, and tried pulling myself up with the rock again. The other times, it had come looser and looser in the sandstone when I tried. This time, it held fast. I managed to pull myself up, and thanked the God who I knew had held the stone in place, and given me the strength I needed.
I didn't think much more of it for another couple of years. Suddenly, Anubis started appearing in my dreams, giving me advice now and then, and treated me more like an old friend, than a potential follower.
Other things happened over time with him, and eventually I started working with him as my patron deity.
Recent meditations have revealed to me that I have a lot more in common with Anubis than I had previously thought. Anubis was never accepted by Set his father/(stepfather?) and the same is really true in regards to the relationship between my parents and I. It's things like that, that led me to take on a very protective mindset when it comes to those I care about. Wanting to help others also led to my interest in healing and herbalism. Anubis is also known as the Patron of Orphans and Lost Souls, as well as a Keeper of Medicinal knowledge.
There are lots of other similarities as well, all prior to when I began my work with Anubis.
So did I choose Anubis? or did Anubis choose me? In the case of the gods being archetypal in nature, did the part of me that resonates with the Anubis archetype get tapped by my Will, and save my life? There are so many things I have yet to understand about working with gods. I love the mysteries, but the fun is in the journey to the answers.
What do you think? What experiences have you had with choosing a deity, or being chosen by them?
I think it depends on the person. I think in some cases a person choses the dieties the follow while in other cases the diety choses them. When I was a kid before I ever went to Japan for the very first time. I dreamt of some of the kami (God/s. Megumi means Goddess/es) in the Shinto religion. They asked me if I would be one of their followers. They explained to me what this would entitle along with the Shinto beliefs. I had never read anything on Shinto beliefs prior to this dream. I agreed and when I got to Japan explored the shines and temples. Talked with the priests about the dream I had and asked them a ton of questions at nauseum. However my sister is Christian. Not because Jesus or the Christian god, or angels or saints but because she went with my cousin Dave one day to his Church. She liked the people and what she heard and saw so she chose to be Christian because of it. My friend Sarah had a near death experience in which she did not wish to die. The first thing she said was "God and Jesus please don't let me die" She didn't die of course & went from being a High Priestess of Aphrodite to becoming Christian as a result. A part of her still would like to be a High Priestess of Aphroite but she she puts it the posibilty of death made her choice for her.
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Original post: extinctionspasm
All hail mauve text....
By the way I didn't read a word of what you just wrote!!!!
All hail mauve text....
By the way I didn't read a word of what you just wrote!!!!
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Original post: sami999x
Actually, I think it depends on the type of magician. I'm gonna mention a few types of magicians.
[I'm just gonna use Jehovah's name as an example of a deity. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Just an example]
type 1: This is a monk who was born and isolated in a Buddhist monastery in Asia. He is from a time when there aren't any Jews or Christians in his country. He has never heard anyone mentioning any God named Jehovah. He's never met anyone that's ever even mentioned that name. And then get gets older. And he has dreams where he hangs out with a Deity that calls itself Jehovah. And this deity moves solid objects around him and makes coincidences happen without even the monk wanting them to happen. And then the monk realized that the entity from his dreams is a real deal. And since he doesn't have internet access, he'll end up going angry and saying, "WHO THE **** IS THIS JEHOVAH?" And then thie Jehovah figure tells him in the dreams to go to geographical locations the monk has never heard of. And the monk might end up going to Jerusalem or some other place, and learning who this Jehovah is. And any magical results and massive de-ja-vus that take place around the monk won't be the monk using his will, but the REAL Jehovah doing things that are necessary for the guy's spiritual development.
type 2: this is a guy who grows up in Europe, where there are lots of Jews and Christians. He is a doctor. He wants to become a magician so he can get powers. He thinks that if he can get Jehovah as his patron, he can probably do anything. So he'll read up the bible and all the resources he can find on Jehovah. And then the this guy uses his imagination to "create" an imaginary scenario where he's working with Jehovah. But in this case, the imaginary entity he calls Jehovah only helps him when the guy uses his will. And this imaginary Jehovah can only become as powerful as this magician's will and imaginations. Most of the time, the magician won't even get any results that seem like Matrix de-ja-vus. And he'll spend his time trying very hard to make himself believe that it is working, and he really is working with Jehovah. And he'll spend long hours trying to mentally confirm to himself "I am a good magician. I am a good magician. I am a god magician". And he'll try to tell open up some organization, like a psychic place, and tel others that he's helping them. But his divination or other work will solely depend on him trusting his "instincts" and "visualizing" his constructed Archangel guides telling him about things. But note that none of his guides, Deities, or angels came to him before he was done doing a lot of research about them and their personality.
So, in the above cases, if the monk magician were to meet the doctor magician, he'd think that the doctor is a very enlightened and powerful magician who guides others. And the doctor would call himself "Sorceror Supreme Dr. Strange" and other big words like the ones he uses to make people take him too seriously.
If the doctor magician were ever to meet the monk, the doctor would think such people don't even exist. And after a lot of mental struggles with his own psyche, he'd force his mind to come to the conclusion that the monk has lost control over his own imagination. And there'd be a lot of "ARGHHHHH...."s inside the doctor's own head. And he'd go to the greatest extent to enforce his will and try to force the monk to believe that the monk is also dealing with a homunculus.
But when we come to think of it, the first magician deals with an entity who is outside of himself and has a soul of His own. The monk's Jehovah can tell him the accurate names about geographical locations, and even identified itself before the monks did any research about Jehovah. And the second guy deals with a construct of his own imagination that is fully dependent on the guy's will. The Jehovah of the monk actually came to him without the monk using mental masturbations, and ever researching what Jehovah is. But the doctor grew up in a land with lots of info about Jehovah, and used mental masturbations to *create* his own Jehovah. The monk's Jehovah independently affects the physical environments and makes de-ja-vus and other weird things happen. The doctor's Jehovah can only work if the doctor forces his own will and goes "ARGHHHH" like Anime cartoon guys go before they blow up planets. The monk relaxes and just asks his Jehovah to do whatever is best, and things just turn out okay even without the monk going "ARGHHHHH". And the doctor creates a "belief system" that the amount of Jehovah's powers that can come down around him solely depending on the amount of will he has. And the doctor also has to force himself and others to believe he is receiving practical results.
So, I would say, in the case of the monk, heâ??s dealing with a real entity from the higher realms. The highers realm could be whatâ??s referred to by Sufis as â??the realm of Ruh (souls)â?Â
Actually, I think it depends on the type of magician. I'm gonna mention a few types of magicians.
[I'm just gonna use Jehovah's name as an example of a deity. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Just an example]
type 1: This is a monk who was born and isolated in a Buddhist monastery in Asia. He is from a time when there aren't any Jews or Christians in his country. He has never heard anyone mentioning any God named Jehovah. He's never met anyone that's ever even mentioned that name. And then get gets older. And he has dreams where he hangs out with a Deity that calls itself Jehovah. And this deity moves solid objects around him and makes coincidences happen without even the monk wanting them to happen. And then the monk realized that the entity from his dreams is a real deal. And since he doesn't have internet access, he'll end up going angry and saying, "WHO THE **** IS THIS JEHOVAH?" And then thie Jehovah figure tells him in the dreams to go to geographical locations the monk has never heard of. And the monk might end up going to Jerusalem or some other place, and learning who this Jehovah is. And any magical results and massive de-ja-vus that take place around the monk won't be the monk using his will, but the REAL Jehovah doing things that are necessary for the guy's spiritual development.
type 2: this is a guy who grows up in Europe, where there are lots of Jews and Christians. He is a doctor. He wants to become a magician so he can get powers. He thinks that if he can get Jehovah as his patron, he can probably do anything. So he'll read up the bible and all the resources he can find on Jehovah. And then the this guy uses his imagination to "create" an imaginary scenario where he's working with Jehovah. But in this case, the imaginary entity he calls Jehovah only helps him when the guy uses his will. And this imaginary Jehovah can only become as powerful as this magician's will and imaginations. Most of the time, the magician won't even get any results that seem like Matrix de-ja-vus. And he'll spend his time trying very hard to make himself believe that it is working, and he really is working with Jehovah. And he'll spend long hours trying to mentally confirm to himself "I am a good magician. I am a good magician. I am a god magician". And he'll try to tell open up some organization, like a psychic place, and tel others that he's helping them. But his divination or other work will solely depend on him trusting his "instincts" and "visualizing" his constructed Archangel guides telling him about things. But note that none of his guides, Deities, or angels came to him before he was done doing a lot of research about them and their personality.
So, in the above cases, if the monk magician were to meet the doctor magician, he'd think that the doctor is a very enlightened and powerful magician who guides others. And the doctor would call himself "Sorceror Supreme Dr. Strange" and other big words like the ones he uses to make people take him too seriously.
If the doctor magician were ever to meet the monk, the doctor would think such people don't even exist. And after a lot of mental struggles with his own psyche, he'd force his mind to come to the conclusion that the monk has lost control over his own imagination. And there'd be a lot of "ARGHHHHH...."s inside the doctor's own head. And he'd go to the greatest extent to enforce his will and try to force the monk to believe that the monk is also dealing with a homunculus.
But when we come to think of it, the first magician deals with an entity who is outside of himself and has a soul of His own. The monk's Jehovah can tell him the accurate names about geographical locations, and even identified itself before the monks did any research about Jehovah. And the second guy deals with a construct of his own imagination that is fully dependent on the guy's will. The Jehovah of the monk actually came to him without the monk using mental masturbations, and ever researching what Jehovah is. But the doctor grew up in a land with lots of info about Jehovah, and used mental masturbations to *create* his own Jehovah. The monk's Jehovah independently affects the physical environments and makes de-ja-vus and other weird things happen. The doctor's Jehovah can only work if the doctor forces his own will and goes "ARGHHHH" like Anime cartoon guys go before they blow up planets. The monk relaxes and just asks his Jehovah to do whatever is best, and things just turn out okay even without the monk going "ARGHHHHH". And the doctor creates a "belief system" that the amount of Jehovah's powers that can come down around him solely depending on the amount of will he has. And the doctor also has to force himself and others to believe he is receiving practical results.
So, I would say, in the case of the monk, heâ??s dealing with a real entity from the higher realms. The highers realm could be whatâ??s referred to by Sufis as â??the realm of Ruh (souls)â?Â
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Original post: Semangelof
sami999
Interesting story very well written and pedagogic!
Sure, if you look at it like you described it there is a big concrete difference,
in between choosen(Monk) and chooser(DR).
But in reality there must be a very large spectrum inbetween these two extremes,
dont you think?
sami999
Interesting story very well written and pedagogic!
Sure, if you look at it like you described it there is a big concrete difference,
in between choosen(Monk) and chooser(DR).
But in reality there must be a very large spectrum inbetween these two extremes,
dont you think?
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Original post: NingishziddasSecretary
[QUOTE=Dracophoenix;271766]I think it depends on the person. I think in some cases a person choses the dieties the follow while in other cases the diety choses them. When I was a kid before I ever went to Japan for the very first time. I dreamt of some of the kami (God/s. Megumi means Goddess/es) in the Shinto religion. They asked me if I would be one of their followers. They explained to me what this would entitle along with the Shinto beliefs. I had never read anything on Shinto beliefs prior to this dream. I agreed and when I got to Japan explored the shines and temples. Talked with the priests about the dream I had and asked them a ton of questions at nauseum. However my sister is Christian. Not because Jesus or the Christian god, or angels or saints but because she went with my cousin Dave one day to his Church. She liked the people and what she heard and saw so she chose to be Christian because of it. My friend Sarah had a near death experience in which she did not wish to die. The first thing she said was "God and Jesus please don't let me die" She didn't die of course & went from being a High Priestess of Aphrodite to becoming Christian as a result. A part of her still would like to be a High Priestess of Aphroite but she she puts it the posibilty of death made her choice for her. [/QUOTE]
Interesting, the opposite happened to me. Ningishzidda kills me quite frequently and I keep coming back, it's very weird....I havn't died for at least two days now...
He seems to think I like it, which is true, I do. And I don't think he knows what he's doing so it's very interesting territory...
I like your dream about the Shinto gods. Do you like Inari?
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[QUOTE=Dracophoenix;271766]I think it depends on the person. I think in some cases a person choses the dieties the follow while in other cases the diety choses them. When I was a kid before I ever went to Japan for the very first time. I dreamt of some of the kami (God/s. Megumi means Goddess/es) in the Shinto religion. They asked me if I would be one of their followers. They explained to me what this would entitle along with the Shinto beliefs. I had never read anything on Shinto beliefs prior to this dream. I agreed and when I got to Japan explored the shines and temples. Talked with the priests about the dream I had and asked them a ton of questions at nauseum. However my sister is Christian. Not because Jesus or the Christian god, or angels or saints but because she went with my cousin Dave one day to his Church. She liked the people and what she heard and saw so she chose to be Christian because of it. My friend Sarah had a near death experience in which she did not wish to die. The first thing she said was "God and Jesus please don't let me die" She didn't die of course & went from being a High Priestess of Aphrodite to becoming Christian as a result. A part of her still would like to be a High Priestess of Aphroite but she she puts it the posibilty of death made her choice for her. [/QUOTE]
Interesting, the opposite happened to me. Ningishzidda kills me quite frequently and I keep coming back, it's very weird....I havn't died for at least two days now...
He seems to think I like it, which is true, I do. And I don't think he knows what he's doing so it's very interesting territory...
I like your dream about the Shinto gods. Do you like Inari?
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Original post: gloweringibeholdmineabyss
[QUOTE=Darkwater;270911]In my case,you do stuff that attracts their attention in Astral.If they think you are ok,want stuff from you & can help you,then you will be groomed & approached,or approached & groomed.
Trade among the Pantheon is good if you do a good job & get paid,or just take stuff you come across(theft by finding not being a crime out there,just yer good fortune)lol
I like inter-pantheon relations too,which is nice.[/QUOTE]
would you mind sharing some details of being approached and groomed?
ive had some dreams lately, and feel thats most likely what happened
[QUOTE=Darkwater;270911]In my case,you do stuff that attracts their attention in Astral.If they think you are ok,want stuff from you & can help you,then you will be groomed & approached,or approached & groomed.
Trade among the Pantheon is good if you do a good job & get paid,or just take stuff you come across(theft by finding not being a crime out there,just yer good fortune)lol
I like inter-pantheon relations too,which is nice.[/QUOTE]
would you mind sharing some details of being approached and groomed?
ive had some dreams lately, and feel thats most likely what happened
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Original post: sacredherbals
Interesting topic......As a child I was always drawn to Horus and Isis...I used to constantly draw the eye of horus symbol everywhere and I never really knew why....I've also always been drawn to ancient egyptian culture and spirituality....I've never actually worked with any dieties, horus and isis included...but if I were to say that a diety chose me I would have to say horus and isis....Now I want to do a ritual and call on them!
Interesting topic......As a child I was always drawn to Horus and Isis...I used to constantly draw the eye of horus symbol everywhere and I never really knew why....I've also always been drawn to ancient egyptian culture and spirituality....I've never actually worked with any dieties, horus and isis included...but if I were to say that a diety chose me I would have to say horus and isis....Now I want to do a ritual and call on them!
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Original post: Darkwater
[QUOTE=gloweringibeholdmineabyss;274007]would you mind sharing some details of being approached and groomed?
ive had some dreams lately, and feel thats most likely what happened[/QUOTE]
Well first was Sehkmet,who taught me to treat everyone I meet as equal(though some are more equal than others)This was after going to my village in void to meet my oversoul.
Second was the cow,Asteroth,who gave me a gift I still have.
Then I gatecrashed a pyramid Temple & fought,being given a gift to get rid of me.hehe.It was a spear,I killed an enemy with & stabbed myself with when it returned unexpectadly with his dead skull hanging from it. ahem.
Then I worked for Anubis,which was great,at his temple.I had an Astral Degree confirmed upon me by some very illustrious travellers from the East where I was given a Leather token which turned out to be significant.I swapped the spear,which I wanted rid off as I had nearly killed a friendly elephant with(ahem).
I went to the Black Castle & was interviewed,met Ghostmaker who explained about Lennie,who protects me & my family.Eh,Ran with Mr Namishvayan with the elephant(I was rat,pathfinder).Met the 3 grey magicians who let me drive their cars & gave me a cool pad.I also got a safe room in the castle grounds.
Met Kali in her healing temple & fell out with Anubis that day(misunderstanding)I healed Freya(no sex,we are serious healers,babe).Started chasing felines(Lady Bast),also a persian vertical climb.received my Reiki 3 degree's,received an unexpected bonus from Sehkmet,followed Bastet to Tor(phew,that was hard work) Met the Nordic Pantheon where my entire oversoul went.
Met the 3 Norns or fates,the black sister(x3 Greek!),travelled the tree of Yggdrasil,tricked Hecate(in love).Gave Freya a gift she liked,was given Loki to guide me through the land of giants(daemonn).
All the time uniting with my Oversoul bit by bit until I have my own healing temple(pyramid).met death who showed me round my temple....met up with great red indian spirits,one who recently passed in US service,the other on this plane
Loads more actually,all with wee stories & adventures.Maybe do a book but I don't want to take my eye off of the ball in case I miss something.
What sort of dreams are yopu having?
Cheers
Andy
[QUOTE=gloweringibeholdmineabyss;274007]would you mind sharing some details of being approached and groomed?
ive had some dreams lately, and feel thats most likely what happened[/QUOTE]
Well first was Sehkmet,who taught me to treat everyone I meet as equal(though some are more equal than others)This was after going to my village in void to meet my oversoul.
Second was the cow,Asteroth,who gave me a gift I still have.
Then I gatecrashed a pyramid Temple & fought,being given a gift to get rid of me.hehe.It was a spear,I killed an enemy with & stabbed myself with when it returned unexpectadly with his dead skull hanging from it. ahem.
Then I worked for Anubis,which was great,at his temple.I had an Astral Degree confirmed upon me by some very illustrious travellers from the East where I was given a Leather token which turned out to be significant.I swapped the spear,which I wanted rid off as I had nearly killed a friendly elephant with(ahem).
I went to the Black Castle & was interviewed,met Ghostmaker who explained about Lennie,who protects me & my family.Eh,Ran with Mr Namishvayan with the elephant(I was rat,pathfinder).Met the 3 grey magicians who let me drive their cars & gave me a cool pad.I also got a safe room in the castle grounds.
Met Kali in her healing temple & fell out with Anubis that day(misunderstanding)I healed Freya(no sex,we are serious healers,babe).Started chasing felines(Lady Bast),also a persian vertical climb.received my Reiki 3 degree's,received an unexpected bonus from Sehkmet,followed Bastet to Tor(phew,that was hard work) Met the Nordic Pantheon where my entire oversoul went.
Met the 3 Norns or fates,the black sister(x3 Greek!),travelled the tree of Yggdrasil,tricked Hecate(in love).Gave Freya a gift she liked,was given Loki to guide me through the land of giants(daemonn).
All the time uniting with my Oversoul bit by bit until I have my own healing temple(pyramid).met death who showed me round my temple....met up with great red indian spirits,one who recently passed in US service,the other on this plane
Loads more actually,all with wee stories & adventures.Maybe do a book but I don't want to take my eye off of the ball in case I miss something.
What sort of dreams are yopu having?
Cheers
Andy
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Original post: sami999x
Well, that's true, Semangelof. Most magicians I know are "in between" these 2 extremes.
When it comes to deities, I think it's best if we stick to objective experiences.
When it comes to Type 2 magicians, I've met old people that call themselves "experienced practicioners". But what they call "past life experiences" are just whatever fantasies come into their heads. Nobody in objective real objective reality told them about any of their past lives. And even if people like that were to have been American civil rights leaders in a past life, they could develop a fantasy belief system where they were Nazis and therefore need to make up for bad karma for fascilitating the Holocaust. They might as well create a "belief system" where they were Transformers in Planet Cybertron. And people like that tend to develop self-induced psychosis which they call occult experiences. What they call "spirits" are not even spirits, but rather inatimate astral matter they they fantasize into existence. And nobody other than them can see their "deities". And they tend to develop a belief that if they fantasize about their "deities" for long enough, their "deities" will eventually have a mind of their own. But stuff like that doesn't tend to happen. Because it's like trying to give life to a sandwich-maker, like the Golden Cow incident in the Bible. And since the apple never falls far from the tree, any "deity" that is *created* by people like that can never grant them enlightenment, because it's always like asking their own arms and legs for advice. And even if they were to create the link with the real Deity, when they need to curse someone, they'll actually use controlled visualization to hallucinate about Jehovah telling them to curse others. And they'd force themselves to see Jehovah telling them to harm others, even if the real Deity with a mind of its own were to tell them to stop. People like that always tend to have their own versions of constructed morality and their Robo-Gods to say, "good job, my pious little follower".
I've met Type 2 magician people that have been occultists since they were kids, and still can't do anything. And according to one of my former teachers in the East, if people like that were to ever magickally attack me, all I'd have to do to cancel out their effects is accept the truth. And the truth is, their mindless Robo-Gods don't exist.
But being chosen by Deities isn't the only way that any real magician works. When it comes to any real magician that *chooses* their deities, they do start out with thought forms. But their magic involves a trick that's mentioned in most books about Western Alchemy I read. Whatever astral matter they create is not created through RPG, but rather any visualization that pays respect. And they see the astral matter or body as a mere "link" between them and the spirits in Briah that have minds of their own. I've actually done that so far with almost any Deity I work with that's non-Roman or non-Islamic. But Islamic ones didn't choose me either, I had to use "verbal" methods without thought forms.
If a Deity chooses you, your experiences are bound to be objective. This means even if you meet multiple people around the world, they will *see* the Deity even if you don't know about It/Him/Her yet. And they might even mention the Deity by name, even if you haven't done any research yet. And same goes for past life experiences. If real life people in objective reality don't tell you of them, then that means it's just RPG. Because when a Deity chooses you, it is bound to tell people around you to talk you into being guided. And there's the people around the world that will give you objective experiences that match up with others they haven't even met.
Well, that's true, Semangelof. Most magicians I know are "in between" these 2 extremes.
When it comes to deities, I think it's best if we stick to objective experiences.
When it comes to Type 2 magicians, I've met old people that call themselves "experienced practicioners". But what they call "past life experiences" are just whatever fantasies come into their heads. Nobody in objective real objective reality told them about any of their past lives. And even if people like that were to have been American civil rights leaders in a past life, they could develop a fantasy belief system where they were Nazis and therefore need to make up for bad karma for fascilitating the Holocaust. They might as well create a "belief system" where they were Transformers in Planet Cybertron. And people like that tend to develop self-induced psychosis which they call occult experiences. What they call "spirits" are not even spirits, but rather inatimate astral matter they they fantasize into existence. And nobody other than them can see their "deities". And they tend to develop a belief that if they fantasize about their "deities" for long enough, their "deities" will eventually have a mind of their own. But stuff like that doesn't tend to happen. Because it's like trying to give life to a sandwich-maker, like the Golden Cow incident in the Bible. And since the apple never falls far from the tree, any "deity" that is *created* by people like that can never grant them enlightenment, because it's always like asking their own arms and legs for advice. And even if they were to create the link with the real Deity, when they need to curse someone, they'll actually use controlled visualization to hallucinate about Jehovah telling them to curse others. And they'd force themselves to see Jehovah telling them to harm others, even if the real Deity with a mind of its own were to tell them to stop. People like that always tend to have their own versions of constructed morality and their Robo-Gods to say, "good job, my pious little follower".
I've met Type 2 magician people that have been occultists since they were kids, and still can't do anything. And according to one of my former teachers in the East, if people like that were to ever magickally attack me, all I'd have to do to cancel out their effects is accept the truth. And the truth is, their mindless Robo-Gods don't exist.
But being chosen by Deities isn't the only way that any real magician works. When it comes to any real magician that *chooses* their deities, they do start out with thought forms. But their magic involves a trick that's mentioned in most books about Western Alchemy I read. Whatever astral matter they create is not created through RPG, but rather any visualization that pays respect. And they see the astral matter or body as a mere "link" between them and the spirits in Briah that have minds of their own. I've actually done that so far with almost any Deity I work with that's non-Roman or non-Islamic. But Islamic ones didn't choose me either, I had to use "verbal" methods without thought forms.
If a Deity chooses you, your experiences are bound to be objective. This means even if you meet multiple people around the world, they will *see* the Deity even if you don't know about It/Him/Her yet. And they might even mention the Deity by name, even if you haven't done any research yet. And same goes for past life experiences. If real life people in objective reality don't tell you of them, then that means it's just RPG. Because when a Deity chooses you, it is bound to tell people around you to talk you into being guided. And there's the people around the world that will give you objective experiences that match up with others they haven't even met.
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Original post: Aunt Clair
I believe we choose to evoke according to interest and that Deities choose to come when they feel our vibration is ready for their lessons and that when we project to a realm we meet some immortal teaching spirits who are a prescribed part of the curriculum ie Serapis Bey in the Great Pyramid of Shamballah , Quan Yen , Mary/Isis and Khali at the Temples of Compassion in Shamballah , and Buddha at the Temple of 1000 Lights in Shamballah , etc.
I believe we choose to evoke according to interest and that Deities choose to come when they feel our vibration is ready for their lessons and that when we project to a realm we meet some immortal teaching spirits who are a prescribed part of the curriculum ie Serapis Bey in the Great Pyramid of Shamballah , Quan Yen , Mary/Isis and Khali at the Temples of Compassion in Shamballah , and Buddha at the Temple of 1000 Lights in Shamballah , etc.
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Original post: Kylara
I think its a little of both for most people. I know that I did a lot of reading and looking, but kept coming back to my primary deities over and over again. I can feel a difference when I say their names. But I've also worked with other deities at different times and felt no betrayal to my primaries by doing so. And most of the other deities I've worked with have been chosen by me to fit the situation.
I have known people who struggled with a god or goddess that had chosen them. They didn't like them at first or preferred another, but kept getting drawn back to the one that had chosen them.
I don't necessarily think that choosing your gods is a lesser path. I think it depends on why you chose the way you did. Choosing your god because you think it will give you something is politics not faith. (this is not the same as choosing a god because it represents something you would like to achieve through working with the god) But choosing a god you feel comfortable with that you think resonates with you and that you want to spend time communing and honoring...that I think can lead to a very fulfilling relationship with your deity.
I think its a little of both for most people. I know that I did a lot of reading and looking, but kept coming back to my primary deities over and over again. I can feel a difference when I say their names. But I've also worked with other deities at different times and felt no betrayal to my primaries by doing so. And most of the other deities I've worked with have been chosen by me to fit the situation.
I have known people who struggled with a god or goddess that had chosen them. They didn't like them at first or preferred another, but kept getting drawn back to the one that had chosen them.
I don't necessarily think that choosing your gods is a lesser path. I think it depends on why you chose the way you did. Choosing your god because you think it will give you something is politics not faith. (this is not the same as choosing a god because it represents something you would like to achieve through working with the god) But choosing a god you feel comfortable with that you think resonates with you and that you want to spend time communing and honoring...that I think can lead to a very fulfilling relationship with your deity.
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Original post: Diabolica
I don't necessarily believe that each deity is a separate entity. I tend to lean more towards the school of thought which says that the gods and goddesses we know are just human interpretations of energies which are formless and at times, interchangeable. Therefore, I don't have a patron deity, exactly. I have representations of power and energy that I resonate more strongly with at some times than others, of course... but I also tend to use whichever pantheon or representation fits my current needs best.
I don't necessarily believe that each deity is a separate entity. I tend to lean more towards the school of thought which says that the gods and goddesses we know are just human interpretations of energies which are formless and at times, interchangeable. Therefore, I don't have a patron deity, exactly. I have representations of power and energy that I resonate more strongly with at some times than others, of course... but I also tend to use whichever pantheon or representation fits my current needs best.
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Original post: sami999x
You know, I totally gotta agree with Kylara. And others too.
Think about it this way. Maybe what really matters is the proper technique. And some of us have used the proper technique in the past lives. And some will use it in this life. And some may not remember.
I'll set an example. I'm a guy that doesn't believe in the literal existence of "Satanic" deities. But I always wanted to work with Lilith. But I don't think there's a such thing as "lust." So what I'd have to do in this specific case is use the thought form method used by alchemists. And I'd create an astral thought form for any Deity I don't have past life links with. But I wouldn't have to believe that thereis a Lilith. But I shouldnt
- treat her as my creation from below
- treat her as a real Lilith from above
I should have an analytical mind. And my mind would say
"If there is a Lilith in Briah or higher realms, then this thought form is the link between me and Her. And there's only a 50/50 chance it will work. But I gotta keep analyzing."
And then it might lead to a point where the link becomes established. And then Lilith will start evoking me into higher realms as her little guy. Except then it might seem that the real Lilith is something really different than the Christian biases.
And in this case, everyone that uses this alchemy technique ends up coming to the same conclusions. Except many of us used this technique, or some equally effective ones, in past lives. And that's why they don't need all the work in this life. And those that didn't will actually start at some point. Except in the next life, they'll be younger when they continue on.
You know, I totally gotta agree with Kylara. And others too.
Think about it this way. Maybe what really matters is the proper technique. And some of us have used the proper technique in the past lives. And some will use it in this life. And some may not remember.
I'll set an example. I'm a guy that doesn't believe in the literal existence of "Satanic" deities. But I always wanted to work with Lilith. But I don't think there's a such thing as "lust." So what I'd have to do in this specific case is use the thought form method used by alchemists. And I'd create an astral thought form for any Deity I don't have past life links with. But I wouldn't have to believe that thereis a Lilith. But I shouldnt
- treat her as my creation from below
- treat her as a real Lilith from above
I should have an analytical mind. And my mind would say
"If there is a Lilith in Briah or higher realms, then this thought form is the link between me and Her. And there's only a 50/50 chance it will work. But I gotta keep analyzing."
And then it might lead to a point where the link becomes established. And then Lilith will start evoking me into higher realms as her little guy. Except then it might seem that the real Lilith is something really different than the Christian biases.
And in this case, everyone that uses this alchemy technique ends up coming to the same conclusions. Except many of us used this technique, or some equally effective ones, in past lives. And that's why they don't need all the work in this life. And those that didn't will actually start at some point. Except in the next life, they'll be younger when they continue on.