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Original post: Querent

[QUOTE=IAO131]You really enlighten us with your asshole attitude too :angel:

IAO131[/QUOTE]

Thanks for contributing to our snark fest. ;)

But really, there's just something wrong with the quote in question. Or is it just me?

"Asatru is thousands of years old (though it is practiced in a modern form today, to meet the needs of our age). Its beginnings are lost in prehistory, but it is older than Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, or most other religions. The spirit it expresses, though, is as ancient as the northern European peoples themselves because it is an innate expression of who and what we are - not merely a set of arbitrary beliefs we have adopted."

On what do they base their assertions? As far as I know, there is no record of a religion called Asatru that existed thousands of years ago. If there was, we would know exactly what their magical tradition was. We don't. It's not just the beginnings that are lost in prehistory, it's the whole damn thing. :eh:

It reminds me too much of back in the day when Wiccans insisted their religion was also thousands of years old, older than Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. Everyone would like to believe that their religion was the first. This is such a simple point of view for something that is so complex. To get an idea of who was "first" you have to look back in history at the migration of the first peoples, their environment, their wars, who was conquered and assimilated... you have to take into account thousands of years of human civilizations and how they influenced each other. It's just not as simple as saying "we were here first".

There's just something about this statement that rings false, which means I'm now going to have to go research. *groans*

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Just remember it took 1000 years or so for the Vikings to convert to christanity?Because our faith in Odin and the old gods is our way and understanding the cosmos.To Odin who gave us knavesier ,Thor his hammer to protect midgard ,Trys sacrifece of his arm ,himedall his ear, thors unforutnate crossdressing ,Lokis cunning,freyja beauty to go on .Everybodys view are valid for them at least we vikings can see our roots and ancestor form the frozen north? To christians we we feared and we can srpead fear agian but not for Odins journey and sacrifice we need not to spread fear but grasp our own paths to spiritual elinghtenment.Praise Odin Praise Asgard.Blessings to all.THODIN

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oro?

Okay, I'm sorry to have to source Wiki, but I haven't any of my books with me.

1) The earliest Viking raid that has been recorded didn't happen until roughly about 789 ce, named the starting point for the Viking Age.

2) It is generally accepted that the Vikings were on a decline due to Christianity by the 11th century, and previously Viking nations joining in crusades by the 12th and 13th centuries.

3) While yes, the Vikings were around before their first recorded raid, there is lack of hardened proof that they or their culture had exhisted, namely, 600 years prior to that date.

Therefore, they did not suffer for 1,000 years fighting off Christianity. Hell, 600 years prior, Christianity was still considered to be "That crazy new cult".

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[QUOTE=ObscureThoughts]oro?

Okay, I'm sorry to have to source Wiki, but I haven't any of my books with me.

1) The earliest Viking raid that has been recorded didn't happen until roughly about 789 ce, named the starting point for the Viking Age.

2) It is generally accepted that the Vikings were on a decline due to Christianity by the 11th century, and previously Viking nations joining in crusades by the 12th and 13th centuries.

3) While yes, the Vikings were around before their first recorded raid, there is lack of hardened proof that they or their culture had exhisted, namely, 600 years prior to that date.

Therefore, they did not suffer for 1,000 years fighting off Christianity. Hell, 600 years prior, Christianity was still considered to be "That crazy new cult".[/QUOTE]

I like posts like this! :D

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Thank you. I tried to rein in the snarkyness.

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To Obscure Thoughts.At least you can back up you statements with thought and knowlage this is what Odin was trying to convei upon mortals.THODIN

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[QUOTE=Thodin;352384]Just remember it took 1000 years or so for the Vikings to convert to christanity?Because our faith in Odin and the old gods is our way and understanding the cosmos.To Odin who gave us knavesier ,Thor his hammer to protect midgard ,Trys sacrifece of his arm ,himedall his ear, thors unforutnate crossdressing ,Lokis cunning,freyja beauty to go on .Everybodys view are valid for them at least we vikings can see our roots and ancestor form the frozen north? To christians we we feared and we can srpead fear agian but not for Odins journey and sacrifice we need not to spread fear but grasp our own paths to spiritual elinghtenment.Praise Odin Praise Asgard.Blessings to all.THODIN[/QUOTE]

Thodin:

Perhaps a bit more thought as you post?

If I may clarify for you these points: The Vikings were not necessarily representative of all Norse culture. Also, you speak of 'Faith' in Odin? I was an Asatruar for over a decade and I'll tell ya there's no place for 'faith' in there.

I was wondering, what was 'knavesier'? Perhaps you refer to Gungnir, or perhaps to Kvasir, who is a wiseman/Elder figure?

Was it 'Tyr's sacrifice' you refer to?

But I do agree with you that each must follow his own path to enlightenment.

Regards from a fellow BC-er

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When do we raid agian.Thodin

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To black coyote yes I was reffering to tyr's sacrifice of his hand in the Jaws of Feneris,Also the knave seer drink I was reffering with probably bad spelling is Odin snuck into a giants lair grab the mead of knowlage the granted this drink to the humans.Just rember all paths to ones enlightenment is filled withe knowalge and open understanding of real truths.THODIN

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[QUOTE=Thodin;354693]To black coyote yes I was reffering to tyr's sacrifice of his hand in the Jaws of Feneris,Also the knave seer drink I was reffering with probably bad spelling is Odin snuck into a giants lair grab the mead of knowlage the granted this drink to the humans.Just rember all paths to ones enlightenment is filled withe knowalge and open understanding of real truths.THODIN[/QUOTE]

Thodin - Thanks for clarifying. I know exactly the story you are speaking of.



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Black Coyote;354014 wrote:...you speak of 'Faith' in Odin? I was an Asatruar for over a decade and I'll tell ya there's no place for 'faith' in there.
I've never been Asatru (nope, never been to Iceland, much less belonged to a state-recognized religion there), but I've been Heathen for about 40 years. In that entire time I've had every faith in Odin. It's 'worship' that has no place in the Folkvang.

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[QUOTE=Rick;355043]I've never been Asatru (nope, never been to Iceland, much less belonged to a state-recognized religion there), but I've been Heathen for about 40 years. In that entire time I've had every faith in Odin. It's 'worship' that has no place in the Folkvang.[/QUOTE]


Yo, Rick;

I guess I should have clarified: I meant 'faith' as in a 'belief based on no evidence', such as the generally accepted manner in which most of the Abrahamics view faith. I was told years ago that the Old Ones of Asgard provide ample 'proof' of their existence and no 'faith' is required. That's the way I look on it too: No 'faith' is required.

Yet, I think you speak of faith as in faith in a good friend or kinsman.

I like what you said about never having been Asatru, but having been Heathen for about 40 years. That's a good way of describing it.

I think that's the biggest problem: When something pure and tribal gets 'religionized' it becomes orthodox and stratified.

Religion is for the birds, so to speak.


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I like the modern mythology that one can find in select issues of THE MIGHTY THOR, from Marvel comics. It works for me.

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Black Coyote;355056 wrote:Yo, Rick;

I guess I should have clarified: I meant 'faith' as in a 'belief based on no evidence', such as the generally accepted manner in which most of the Abrahamics view faith. I was told years ago that the Old Ones of Asgard provide ample 'proof' of their existence and no 'faith' is required. That's the way I look on it too: No 'faith' is required.

Yet, I think you speak of faith as in faith in a good friend or kinsman.

I like what you said about never having been Asatru, but having been Heathen for about 40 years. That's a good way of describing it.

I think that's the biggest problem: When something pure and tribal gets 'religionized' it becomes orthodox and stratified.

Religion is for the birds, so to speak.


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Agreed, emphatically.

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