Original post: Tune Bender
Do you belive that those who are more spirtualy "in tune" are potentialy more creative? Why? What causes this?
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Original post: Nalyd23
Not necessarily. But I do see what you are getting at. The opposite may be more accurate, that the more creative individuals have a tendency to be more spiritually "in tune". Creativity usually stems from being very observant and hence more "in tune" with your environment. An artists eye so to speak. We are all "artists" but I am referring here to what we usually refer to as artists. Most seem to be very over-sensitive and passionate to religious frenzy about their given craft, whether through painting, music, writing, etc. trying to convey their observed meaning to the rest of the world. This is definately a form of Magick/Spirituality/Mysticism. I am just rambling but I do agree with your thoughts for the most part.
Actually what I just wrote is utter nonsense about the "opposite" being "more accurate", probably better to say that both simultaneously. Creativity/Spirituality go hand in hand. It may depend on the individual's own interpretation of events in his/her own life to determine what is causing the other. In my case I would say my observance/creativity made me more spiritual as I grew up. I am very reflective of my inner-workings for the most part and this stems from my artistic madness. Just some added clarification as to why I said what I said.
Not necessarily. But I do see what you are getting at. The opposite may be more accurate, that the more creative individuals have a tendency to be more spiritually "in tune". Creativity usually stems from being very observant and hence more "in tune" with your environment. An artists eye so to speak. We are all "artists" but I am referring here to what we usually refer to as artists. Most seem to be very over-sensitive and passionate to religious frenzy about their given craft, whether through painting, music, writing, etc. trying to convey their observed meaning to the rest of the world. This is definately a form of Magick/Spirituality/Mysticism. I am just rambling but I do agree with your thoughts for the most part.
Actually what I just wrote is utter nonsense about the "opposite" being "more accurate", probably better to say that both simultaneously. Creativity/Spirituality go hand in hand. It may depend on the individual's own interpretation of events in his/her own life to determine what is causing the other. In my case I would say my observance/creativity made me more spiritual as I grew up. I am very reflective of my inner-workings for the most part and this stems from my artistic madness.
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Original post: Mmothra
I would tend to agree with what I think our friend Nalyd23 is getting at...that those who utilize introspection and other methods of surveying the inner landscape may perhaps also be able to tap whatever wellspring of creativity also lies within us. One of the most naturally spiritual folks I have ever known was a mask-maker back on the East Coast. She actively and consciously explored her sense of self through her art...and, interestingly, sometimes her art suffered for it.
That being said, I have known a fair number of artists who, although talented, did not outwardly evidence any understanding of their inner workings or, for that matter, show much interest. When they worked, the art just seemed to flow through them and into the media they worked with, leaving no demonstable evidence of it passage through their mind or "spirit".
Nice topic. I am looking forward to hearing from others.
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I would tend to agree with what I think our friend Nalyd23 is getting at...that those who utilize introspection and other methods of surveying the inner landscape may perhaps also be able to tap whatever wellspring of creativity also lies within us. One of the most naturally spiritual folks I have ever known was a mask-maker back on the East Coast. She actively and consciously explored her sense of self through her art...and, interestingly, sometimes her art suffered for it.
That being said, I have known a fair number of artists who, although talented, did not outwardly evidence any understanding of their inner workings or, for that matter, show much interest. When they worked, the art just seemed to flow through them and into the media they worked with, leaving no demonstable evidence of it passage through their mind or "spirit".
Nice topic. I am looking forward to hearing from others.
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Original post: DualMetal
Any how it's lively to see the smiley logo as optimist.
Of what would be a creative mind without spirituality? Without good humor or intention for the other's aid, as so (I believe) would be like a person who runs the distance without a stable destiny in mind.. Horrific with a capital H. Even so he who has more gains more. And if it's God in mind more of God one will have. And if it's something I do (work) for the love of it, that's just as good as meditation, also keeping in mind that all time greats work (worked) at what they did.
Any how it's lively to see the smiley logo as optimist.
Of what would be a creative mind without spirituality? Without good humor or intention for the other's aid, as so (I believe) would be like a person who runs the distance without a stable destiny in mind.. Horrific with a capital H. Even so he who has more gains more. And if it's God in mind more of God one will have. And if it's something I do (work) for the love of it, that's just as good as meditation, also keeping in mind that all time greats work (worked) at what they did.
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Original post: Akasha
I sort of agree with what you said, Nalyd23 and it would be hard to say what causes what ~ does spirituality cause people to create, or does creativity inspire spirituality.
Just from my own observations over the years though, I've always thought that my "spiritually active" friends are the most creative I know. Thinking on your post just now, I'm wondering if it may be linked with what was said in a previous post about people being "asleep". Could it be that spiritually aware people are less inclined to fill their time with television and mundane distractions, and more inclined to create as an expression of themselves?
For myself, I tend not to want to waste my life. I find pleasure in creating ~ whether it be arts or writing, or simple acts of gardening, or cooking, etc. It's a way of manifesting the spiritual in my life ... hard to put into words, but with a sense of honouring my life and creation, if that makes any sense.
I sort of agree with what you said, Nalyd23 and it would be hard to say what causes what ~ does spirituality cause people to create, or does creativity inspire spirituality.
Just from my own observations over the years though, I've always thought that my "spiritually active" friends are the most creative I know. Thinking on your post just now, I'm wondering if it may be linked with what was said in a previous post about people being "asleep". Could it be that spiritually aware people are less inclined to fill their time with television and mundane distractions, and more inclined to create as an expression of themselves?
For myself, I tend not to want to waste my life. I find pleasure in creating ~ whether it be arts or writing, or simple acts of gardening, or cooking, etc. It's a way of manifesting the spiritual in my life ... hard to put into words, but with a sense of honouring my life and creation, if that makes any sense.
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Original post: Dunhill
What exactly do you mean by spiritual? If you mean someone who is in tune with his/herself then I think it would lead to the person being better able to understand his/her limitations and make better use of the strengths. In this case that which is created would be a reflection of the self. This creation could be a painting, sculpture, mathematical formulae or a new design for a blender. To some extent we are what we do as our self if reflected in our actions. This creation might not be so evident. The expression of this sprituality/creativity could be the person him or herself not necessarily reflected in more tangible deeds.
I find it interesting that spiritual usually gets confused with religious. While they often go hand in hand, they are not pre-requisites of the other. While seemingly contradictory a lot of the more famous scientists were also theologians if not actual priests. In these cases it could be said that their spirituality (reflected in their religious faith) was the actual cause for their curiosity which in turn inspired their creativity. Perhaps sprituality and curiosity are more dependant than actual creativity.
What exactly do you mean by spiritual? If you mean someone who is in tune with his/herself then I think it would lead to the person being better able to understand his/her limitations and make better use of the strengths. In this case that which is created would be a reflection of the self. This creation could be a painting, sculpture, mathematical formulae or a new design for a blender. To some extent we are what we do as our self if reflected in our actions. This creation might not be so evident. The expression of this sprituality/creativity could be the person him or herself not necessarily reflected in more tangible deeds.
I find it interesting that spiritual usually gets confused with religious. While they often go hand in hand, they are not pre-requisites of the other. While seemingly contradictory a lot of the more famous scientists were also theologians if not actual priests. In these cases it could be said that their spirituality (reflected in their religious faith) was the actual cause for their curiosity which in turn inspired their creativity. Perhaps sprituality and curiosity are more dependant than actual creativity.
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Original post: DualMetal
You'r right Dunhill. Spirituality and religion do, do get confused as being one in the same... I heard about a survey not long ago that a religious person is happier and does eventually outlive the non religious... Which that classifies the occult with the drunk and such environments... But what does it take to be spiritual, without the need of nessesity to pray for a saint for protection, or to worship an idol? To me that is surrendering to what is worshiped wich the result would be a goodnight sleep. It has once been said that if your God gets you out of trouble, it's time you start searching for your true God. I am happy with the place I am at as a person..... To me the simple answer is not giving up, but not to be outdone, God is watching.
You'r right Dunhill. Spirituality and religion do, do get confused as being one in the same... I heard about a survey not long ago that a religious person is happier and does eventually outlive the non religious... Which that classifies the occult with the drunk and such environments... But what does it take to be spiritual, without the need of nessesity to pray for a saint for protection, or to worship an idol? To me that is surrendering to what is worshiped wich the result would be a goodnight sleep. It has once been said that if your God gets you out of trouble, it's time you start searching for your true God. I am happy with the place I am at as a person..... To me the simple answer is not giving up, but not to be outdone, God is watching.
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Original post: Nalyd23
I don't think religion has anything to do with what this thread is about. If you are referring to my statement about "religious frenzy", I just meant that in the sense of "the spirit moving you" like in Voodoo for instance. Religion itself is almost anti-spiritual and really has no place in this discussion.
I don't think religion has anything to do with what this thread is about. If you are referring to my statement about "religious frenzy", I just meant that in the sense of "the spirit moving you" like in Voodoo for instance. Religion itself is almost anti-spiritual and really has no place in this discussion.
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Original post: DualMetal
You know, Dtop.. One belief knocks off the other (is going to differ) Restricting is not the case. I wouldn't be so close minded.
You know, Dtop.. One belief knocks off the other (is going to differ) Restricting is not the case. I wouldn't be so close minded.
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Original post: Nalyd23
Well again I feel a little misunderstood. My personal view is that someone's personal spirituality should not be restricted in any way. Spiritual anarchy. I view "religion" as a form of restriction. There would be nothing close-minded about what I am talking about here, just differing views of a "word".
Closed minds have a tendency to accuse others of closed minds.:shock: Expand the horizon to include the vertical.
Well again I feel a little misunderstood. My personal view is that someone's personal spirituality should not be restricted in any way. Spiritual anarchy. I view "religion" as a form of restriction. There would be nothing close-minded about what I am talking about here, just differing views of a "word".
Closed minds have a tendency to accuse others of closed minds.:shock: Expand the horizon to include the vertical.
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Original post: DualMetal
Ofcourse, it's got to be BOB--
Thank you.
Ofcourse, it's got to be BOB--
Thank you.
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Original post: Nalyd23
Bob has nothing to do with it either.
Bob has nothing to do with it either.
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Original post: DualMetal
:lol: That just rocks..
:lol: That just rocks..
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Original post: Nalyd23
Hail the Great Incomparable Goddess Mae-Bee for her Musings and Madness!:lol:
Hail the Great Incomparable Goddess Mae-Bee for her Musings and Madness!:lol:
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Original post: Dunhill
[QUOTE=Nalyd23]I don't think religion has anything to do with what this thread is about. If you are referring to my statement about "religious frenzy", I just meant that in the sense of "the spirit moving you" like in Voodoo for instance. Religion itself is almost anti-spiritual and really has no place in this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Probably your 'religious frenzy' just got me thinking about the religious/spiritual difference. I was a religion major (I suppose I still am since I have that little piece of paper that says so) and kept getting asked if I was going into the seminary. I thought it would be neat to but not with the vows at the end.
Religious dogma can be a restriction but it can also be a form of spiritual expression.
[QUOTE=Nalyd23]I don't think religion has anything to do with what this thread is about. If you are referring to my statement about "religious frenzy", I just meant that in the sense of "the spirit moving you" like in Voodoo for instance. Religion itself is almost anti-spiritual and really has no place in this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Probably your 'religious frenzy' just got me thinking about the religious/spiritual difference. I was a religion major (I suppose I still am since I have that little piece of paper that says so) and kept getting asked if I was going into the seminary. I thought it would be neat to but not with the vows at the end.
Religious dogma can be a restriction but it can also be a form of spiritual expression.
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Original post: nakibean
In me I noticed the more spiritually open I am the more creative I am becoming. The more I can appreciate everything around me and see things clearer. I don't believe in a set or organized religion but I am more spiritual that I was last year at this time and soon after "descovered" that I was creative.
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In me I noticed the more spiritually open I am the more creative I am becoming. The more I can appreciate everything around me and see things clearer. I don't believe in a set or organized religion but I am more spiritual that I was last year at this time and soon after "descovered" that I was creative.
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Original post: Parsifal
I feel like true art in any form is the most truly spiritual. Spontanaeity has alot to do with it, like being receptive as a'channel', not creating something, but tapping into the source of creativity and allowing it to move through you freely. This also would be a great way to escape from oneself , as like dancing, you're not thinking of what to do but simply doing it, feeling it, allowing 'It' expression through the medium of your body.
Art, hence creativity transcends the rational/logical world of reason (which as Crowley has pointed out is always just an endless imprisoning circular cycle anyways) because really what is the 'reason' for music, for example? 'Nothing'.
Strictly on a rational level, it isnt necessary, but on another level it IS necessary as expression of Spirit, in all its wide range of existdance in the Here and Now.
Peace. *~
I feel like true art in any form is the most truly spiritual. Spontanaeity has alot to do with it, like being receptive as a'channel', not creating something, but tapping into the source of creativity and allowing it to move through you freely. This also would be a great way to escape from oneself , as like dancing, you're not thinking of what to do but simply doing it, feeling it, allowing 'It' expression through the medium of your body.
Art, hence creativity transcends the rational/logical world of reason (which as Crowley has pointed out is always just an endless imprisoning circular cycle anyways) because really what is the 'reason' for music, for example? 'Nothing'.
Strictly on a rational level, it isnt necessary, but on another level it IS necessary as expression of Spirit, in all its wide range of existdance in the Here and Now.
Peace. *~
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Original post: Spaces
It is an issue of process. Though the two can be seemingly amalgamated endlessly they differ in that creativity is bound more to the context of process than the spiritual. The spiritual is potent and in most estimations surpasses those purely mechanistic acts of creation, yet it is still an ambiguous proposition and does not lend itself easily to a collective definition. In some regards the collective doesn't want any standardized definition of the spiritual; some would even consider such as a degradation
Suffice it to say that in any material creation even of the the highest order the spiritual is an indirect feature. Collectively, this would appear to be in order since a stringent specification would also be considered too personalized. There is nothing necessarily wrong with such a position but it tends to iconize the presenter rather than make prominent the spiritual intent. Of course, the principal difference being with those who regard themselves as more proxy than facilitator.
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It is an issue of process. Though the two can be seemingly amalgamated endlessly they differ in that creativity is bound more to the context of process than the spiritual. The spiritual is potent and in most estimations surpasses those purely mechanistic acts of creation, yet it is still an ambiguous proposition and does not lend itself easily to a collective definition. In some regards the collective doesn't want any standardized definition of the spiritual; some would even consider such as a degradation
Suffice it to say that in any material creation even of the the highest order the spiritual is an indirect feature. Collectively, this would appear to be in order since a stringent specification would also be considered too personalized. There is nothing necessarily wrong with such a position but it tends to iconize the presenter rather than make prominent the spiritual intent. Of course, the principal difference being with those who regard themselves as more proxy than facilitator.
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