Is it real?

[snickeringfox]

I realize this question has probably been asked a million times; does a grimoire specifically named, The Necronomicon exist? i know of and own two out of three books of Simon's version (which i hear and can believe it is at least partially fictional), and for fun reads H.P. Lovecraft's short stories. But I've always wanted to own the real thing, and in time start studying the occult. Any educated answers would be much appreciated =)

[Lizard1138]

It only exists insofar as it is a literary invention by HP Lovecraft. If you want a good resource for working within the Cthulu Mythos there are many Chaos websites out there that have a wealth of information, http://www.chaosmatrix.org/ being one of them. Kenneth Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Grant) is another leader within the field with the Typhonian Order.

[brobdingnag]

I have worked with Necronomicon Spellbook (very stripped down version of the original) for many months now and yes, it does work. It works regardless of whether it is fiction or fantasy depending on your view on the authenticity of its origins. For me, results are what matter.
Having tried it on numerous cases of varying complexity I can vouch for it. It can also work alongside other more mainstream spiritual workings.
The only question I have in my mind these days is: how the hell does it manage to work? That it does work is all I know.

[brobdingnag]

One thing I forgot to mention: for outward, material results you'll need to put in some practical effort by way of your actions too. For the inner development, the spells work almost all on their own.

[Lizard1138]

@brobdingnag One thing that Aleister Crowley said, and I paraphrase,"Once you learn that it does work, How it works becomes less an important question." Read Liber Null and Psychonaut to learn some of the mechanisms of how belief works. In short, it works because you believe it works; that might sound a little obtuse and as if I am avoiding the question. The fact of the matter is that it is maddeningly simple with the act of belief that most don't get it.

Think of all those die-hard christians within their fundamentalist churches. Some of the most hardcore Magick happens in some churches because of thier belief, they don't like to think of it that way, but it is true. That's the best way that I can explain how it works, hope it helps.

[alex nero]

As far as I know,the Necronomicon is a work of fiction.However,the Sumerian names mentioned in the book have historical basis.As far as magic goes,I have never attempted any rituals in the book.I have a pragmatic,use-it-if-it-works philosophy towards magic,so I believe any ritual that means something to the magician has a decent chance of success.One must believe in the names you call upon,their power,and indeed your own ability to channel or project power.I would also question your motive for using magic, and be sure about how you want to proceed.If you are comfortable and confident,by all means proceed and may your magic enhance your life!

[brobdingnag]

@brobdingnag One thing that Aleister Crowley said, and I paraphrase,"Once you learn that it does work, How it works becomes less an important question." Read Liber Null and Psychonaut to learn some of the mechanisms of how belief works. In short, it works because you believe it works; that might sound a little obtuse and as if I am avoiding the question. The fact of the matter is that it is maddeningly simple with the act of belief that most don't get it.

Think of all those die-hard christians within their fundamentalist churches. Some of the most hardcore Magick happens in some churches because of thier belief, they don't like to think of it that way, but it is true. That's the best way that I can explain how it works, hope it helps.

Thanks Lizard. Yes, results are what matter. It works and I don't think it's my belief because I refuse to believe until I see. A bit the reverse of the typical approach to magickal ritual. Very powerful stuff - a bit zany in the way results are achieved but effective nonetheless.
I do agree with the bit about mainstream religion being nothing more than a socially acceptable vehicle for magickal ritual. I work with aspects of Christian ritual. I mean any of the large Christian organisations like the Anglican or Catholic church have a massive ceremonial magick aspect to their services. The more ascetic Protestant sects like the Charismatics seem to derive more from the Eastern school of the occult.

Thanks, Brob.

[Lizard1138]

@brobdingnag, everybody has belief in something without seeing it happen. And I will explain. When you are sitting down making plans to go do something, say as mundane as driving your car, you are performing an act of Magick (All acts of will, are acts of Magick). You designed how something is going to happen in the future, and then you gave it a means of manifesting itself by behaving in a way as if it is going to happen.

Just remember that science requires belief within the hypothesis stage of the development of a theory, it is self critiquing when it shows evidence contrary to the prevailing belief (at least it is in pure form, many scientists are dogmatic) you have to have belief in something before attempting it and making it work. You have to have that same level of belief (absolute self confidence) in working Ritual Magick. Do you have any other questions?

[brobdingnag]

@brobdingnag, everybody has belief in something without seeing it happen. And I will explain. When you are sitting down making plans to go do something, say as mundane as driving your car, you are performing an act of Magick (All acts of will, are acts of Magick). You designed how something is going to happen in the future, and then you gave it a means of manifesting itself by behaving in a way as if it is going to happen.

Just remember that science requires belief within the hypothesis stage of the development of a theory, it is self critiquing when it shows evidence contrary to the prevailing belief (at least it is in pure form, many scientists are dogmatic) you have to have belief in something before attempting it and making it work. You have to have that same level of belief (absolute self confidence) in working Ritual Magick. Do you have any other questions?

Yes, what you described is a plan. I'm never sure of my plans - never. Always negative i.e. usually expecting failure. Strangely as I worked with the Necronomicon I found that even if I was expecting failure or things looked really bleak something or the other happened to get the results required. It truly was strange.
Even more interesting are cases when I work on just on self (inner) development sometimes I feel a massive crushing or overpowering sensation as the spell takes hold - often within minutes of casting. Never experienced anything like it. The first time I did the working the overwhelm lasted a few days.
I was never believing: only wanting see if it did work. No hoping or thinking positive even - although I did try to reduce negativity.
It was and is weird, powerful and effective. Or maybe it's just the brain - it just works.

[Lizard1138]

@brobdingnag Well it sounds like you are getting exactly what you are asking for. You are using darkness for personal development, so the feelings you are getting and that specific gnosis that you are using seems to be the one you are most in tune with.

The very act of you performing the ritual is in and of itself is a small form of belief, you believe in Mystical things. You don't see people like Carl Sagan summoning Azazel, mainly because they didn't believe it to begin with. My point being, no one in the history of mankind has ever worked a ritual without belief. Wanting to see if it works is a belief in the possibility that you can conform reality according to your will. Just the possibility, but the belief is still there. Now, just try to increase the amount of Faith you have within yourself.

I hope this helps you on your quest.

[brobdingnag]

What's with ad links for bags and trinkets?

[brobdingnag]

@brobdingnag Well it sounds like you are getting exactly what you are asking for. You are using darkness for personal development, so the feelings you are getting and that specific gnosis that you are using seems to be the one you are most in tune with.

The very act of you performing the ritual is in and of itself is a small form of belief, you believe in Mystical things. You don't see people like Carl Sagan summoning Azazel, mainly because they didn't believe it to begin with. My point being, no one in the history of mankind has ever worked a ritual without belief. Wanting to see if it works is a belief in the possibility that you can conform reality according to your will. Just the possibility, but the belief is still there. Now, just try to increase the amount of Faith you have within yourself.

I hope this helps you on your quest.

Lizard 1138: To clarify further,
I began using it for purely emotional balance knowing that it was almost certainly going to have zero impact on reality apart from my inner world. I learnt this from the stifling orthodox religious system I was raised with all kinds of double-talk and virtue etc. all aimed at emotional compliance and crafting an illusion that merely governed my perception & behaviour but did nothing outside of that. Still it can be useful.
Also, I was testing to see if it was possible rather than assuming that it was possible at all.
Still I gotta say - the results were and are remarkable. Faith or not even in realms where I have no "real" control.

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